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Version 1.4.06 PhoenixVerb- R2 | Exponential Audio

Michael Carnes' new company Exponential Audio 
PhoenixVerb + R2
http://www.exponentialaudio.com/
 
11/10/2013 Version 1.4.06 for PhoenixVerb and R2
10/5 PhoenixVerb / R2 updated v1.4
2/13 PhoenixVerb update Win 1.1.1 
8/13 update  V1.3.11
8/15 1.3.12
 
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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/01/07 13:55:12 (permalink)
    iLok2 required.  For some that will be enough to take a pass.
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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/01/07 14:15:48 (permalink)
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    iLok2 required.  For some that will be enough to take a pass.
    Yep, too bad.
    Phoenix is killer. If I needed a verb this would be it. 

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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/01/07 17:06:53 (permalink)
    ...and after using it more I just may purchase it after all.
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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/01/07 17:37:54 (permalink)
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    iLok2 required.  For some that will be enough to take a pass.
    There was a time when I was anti-iLok, but there are just too many great tools out there that require it -- Slate, Softube, Sonnox, Soundtoys, Kush, and the list goes on.  These reverbs coming out lately are very enticing as well.  You're limiting yourself quite a bit by shunning the dongle.  

    (I'm assuming we're talking about a desktop machine here -- obviously there are other factors if you're working on a laptop.)

    An easy way to obtain an iLok is to buy RC-Tube from Slate for $50, which is a fair price for the plugin itself.  You'll receive a shiny new iLok2 as part of the deal.


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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/01/07 18:26:36 (permalink)
    I keep thinking that someday some must-have product will come along that requires iLok, and then I'll cave. But it hasn't happened yet. Certainly not in the reverb category anyway, where world-class non-iLok alternatives are especially plentiful.


    All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. 

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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/01/07 19:34:15 (permalink)
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    iLok2 required.  For some that will be enough to take a pass.
    There was a time when I was anti-iLok, but there are just too many great tools out there that require it -- Slate, Softube, Sonnox, Soundtoys, Kush, and the list goes on.  These reverbs coming out lately are very enticing as well.  You're limiting yourself quite a bit by shunning the dongle.  

    (I'm assuming we're talking about a desktop machine here -- obviously there are other factors if you're working on a laptop.)

    An easy way to obtain an iLok is to buy RC-Tube from Slate for $50, which is a fair price for the plugin itself.  You'll receive a shiny new iLok2 as part of the deal.


    Cheers,
    Eddie

    I'm still not for it but hopefully sometime soon it will be no longer be necessary. The $35.00 I spent for it around 2001 won't matter much in hindsight.
    I got the iLok2 free from Slate Digital when VCC switched over from iLok1 so it will matter even less.
    post edited by carl - 2013/01/08 09:08:51
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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/01/15 23:21:51 (permalink)
    carl


    ...and after using it more I just may purchase it after all.

    Hi Carl, I assume you were able to try the Phoenix verb in Sonar?  I couldn't get it to pass the VST scan.  Couple other guys posting on GS had the same problem.  Are you on X2?  I'd really like to try this, but it apparently isn't quite ready for prime time. 
     
    Kind of a surfeit of new reverbs lately ... not only Exponential and Relab, but Sean Costello (Valhalla) has an excellent Vintage Verb that is giving me some great sounds.  His stuff is so cheap and good (and Sean is a friggin' genius and super-cool to boot) that only something magical would replace it for me. 
     
    Cheers,
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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/01/16 13:53:34 (permalink)
    Eddie,

    There's issues with this new release.
    x64 version isn't working in X2 so I used 32b instead to demo.
    The GUI is funky too. You might want to wait a while untill Michael gets it sorted out.
    It didn't really bother me as the PhoenixVerb is exceptional. 
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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/01/16 14:12:50 (permalink)
    bitflipper


    I keep thinking that someday some must-have product will come along that requires iLok, and then I'll cave. But it hasn't happened yet. Certainly not in the reverb category anyway, where world-class non-iLok alternatives are especially plentiful.

    I know what you mean. Until Slate's FG-X came out I was sort of anti-iLok. Not no mo. Once I was there, Waves V8 became possible. Of course V9 no longer requires it but I have quite a handful of iLok plugs now.


    Now, you'll probably say "But Ed, you can do all that FG-X does without an iLok." 
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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/01/16 23:05:17 (permalink)
    Ed, you can do all that FG-X does without an iLok. In fact, you can do it now with the plugins you already own!

    Hypothetically, would you buy a guitar that required a dongle? How about a car? A vacuum cleaner? A nose-hair trimmer?


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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/02/14 12:26:26 (permalink)
    PhoenixVerb updated to 1.1.1 for Windows, still no x64 though.
    http://www.exponentialaudio.com/ExponentialStore/Download.php

    Also here's a podcast with Michael, a bit of insight into his work.
    Pro Tools Expert Podcast Extra Interview

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    post edited by carl - 2013/09/15 12:20:17
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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/02/14 12:45:36 (permalink)
    Interesting that Pantheon was only Lexicon plugin that he didn't work on & refers to as a ' cheapie.'

    His views on convolution reverb are too. 
    His 'Boy, doesn't he look natural' remark was brilliant!  
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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/02/14 14:20:51 (permalink)
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    I keep thinking that someday some must-have product will come along that requires iLok, and then I'll cave. But it hasn't happened yet. Certainly not in the reverb category anyway, where world-class non-iLok alternatives are especially plentiful.

    That's what happened to me bit.


    There was an offer about a year ago for EWQLSO Platinum Plus at a ridiculously low price, but it required an iLok, so I caved.


    I sometimes forget it's plugged into the back of the machine.


    For me, it requires no maintenance or anything, it just sits there

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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/02/14 16:20:54 (permalink)
    Phoenix Verb is something special.
    It's absolutely the best algorithmic reverb plugin that I've heard.
    Super smooth... even when auditioned on drum-kit.
    Has that higher-end Lexicon ability to envelope the sound... without sounding artificial or losing clarity.

    At $200 it's not cheap, but it's the last reverb plugin I'll be buying for a LONG time.
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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/02/15 16:22:54 (permalink)
    Hmm, course I already have the Lexicon LXP, so do I really need a NOTHER reverb?


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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/02/15 17:17:15 (permalink)
    Kroneborge


    Hmm, course I already have the Lexicon LXP, so do I really need a NOTHER reverb?

    Need?  No.   Well, yeah, maybe.  


    Speaking of Lexicon, I keep getting tempted to buy LXP, but between Valhalla and 2C Audio, I've got 5 really good algorithmic reverbs, not to mention EWQL Spaces, and that is already way more than I need.  That said, each one has its place in my toolbox and they all get used, so...who knows?  I should find a cheaper pastime.

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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/02/15 18:24:58 (permalink)
    Besides budget the question I'd ask myself would be if I'd use it more than or in place of any other reverb plugins I may already have.

    If I needed a neutral & natural sounding reverb plugin PhoenixVerb would be my first choice without a doubt.
    post edited by carl - 2013/02/15 18:40:38
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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/04/11 14:16:51 (permalink)
    New x64 update & license code, longer demo.
    Version 1.2 of both plugs. 64-bit Windows VST, Windows AAX, 64-bit Mac AAX




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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/04/11 16:39:29 (permalink)
    Would like it but I can't imagine it would be much better than my "goto" B2.

    Can reverbs get much better do you think?

     
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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/04/11 16:40:41 (permalink)
    Yes, PhoenixVerb for a neutral reverb hands down.
    B2 for color. I like Aether, VR, Lex MPX too.

    Convo's depend on the IR. Some free ones I've found on the internet are good, others are horrible.
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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/08/12 13:43:58 (permalink)
    PhoenixVerb Win updated to V1.3.11 to solve issues with presets.
     
    http://www.exponentialaudio.com/ExponentialStore/Installers/index.php
     
     *Just noticed his server is swamped & other minor updates coming too.
    post edited by carl - 2013/08/12 13:55:51
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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/08/12 14:09:49 (permalink)
    Using this reverb has taught me more about reverb than I had learned in all my years of using cheap nasty sounding reverbs. All the stuff makes sense now because I can actually hear the results of the smallest tweaks. In the past making small adjustments seemed more like wishful thinking.
     
    I regard the availability of this reverb as a gift to musicians... and the service that Mr Carnes provides with updates and pertinent information is exemplary.
     
    best regards,
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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/08/12 14:32:50 (permalink)
    I would agree Mike.
     
    I'm always pleasantly surprised using PhoenixVerb. In many cases when I use it to replace other verbs in a project I'll find myself turning up the send & the clarity of the track is maintained. (which is of course is usually the opposite when increasing the wet )
     
    It's a permanent fixture on my drum buss & used on most of my guitar tracks / pads as well.
     
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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/08/12 17:09:08 (permalink)
    Hi Mike and Carl
    I'm really interested in your experiences with this product - I have a number of reverbs I use:
    1) Aether - slightly complex but I am normally  happy with results after time and experimentation
    2) Valhalla  -I have both standard and Vintage and now prefer Vintage - I find this an easy one to work with and get results I am happy with
    3) PSP Springbox - I use this on my guitar stuff only
    4) PSP Piano Verb 2 - I only got this recently as they did a VERY special offer - cost me about $15 - I only got it to try out the freeze function more as an effect - still getting use to this
    5) Arts Acoustic Reverb - I have had this a long time and had stopped using as had not been upgraded to latest specifications - the update has just been released (which I was very pleasantly  surprised about) so have only just reloaded onto my system
     
    What I was wondering was whether you can try and point out where PhonixVerb is superior / easier to get good results etc?
    Also has anyone ever done a back to back test on these products to compare how they sound on similar / same sources?
     
    Cheers
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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/08/12 17:27:09 (permalink)
    I've been learning how to use Phoenix to add reverb where it doesn't sound like I added reverb.
     
    It just makes stuff sound full and rich.
     
    I have Valhalla Room and I think very highly of the company and Sean the developer.
     
    I don't think it's a fair comparison though.
     
    The most obvious thing is that you can dial in a 20 second decay and it doesn't sound weird... it just sounds full.
     
    I don't use anything like that sort of length but I have found I am using much longer decays than ever before while I am learning to be more appreciative of dampening the highs.
     
    The best advice I can share is that if you are open to using an iLok than you should just try the demo and hear it for yourself.
     
    best regards,
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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/08/12 18:07:22 (permalink)
    Bajan Blue
    Hi Mike and Carl
    I'm really interested in your experiences with this product - I have a number of reverbs I use:
    1) Aether - slightly complex but I am normally  happy with results after time and experimentation
    2) Valhalla  -I have both standard and Vintage and now prefer Vintage - I find this an easy one to work with and get results I am happy with
    3) PSP Springbox - I use this on my guitar stuff only
    4) PSP Piano Verb 2 - I only got this recently as they did a VERY special offer - cost me about $15 - I only got it to try out the freeze function more as an effect - still getting use to this
    5) Arts Acoustic Reverb - I have had this a long time and had stopped using as had not been upgraded to latest specifications - the update has just been released (which I was very pleasantly  surprised about) so have only just reloaded onto my system
     
    What I was wondering was whether you can try and point out where PhonixVerb is superior / easier to get good results etc?
    Also has anyone ever done a back to back test on these products to compare how they sound on similar / same sources?
     
    Cheers
    Nigel
     
     
     




    The verbs you mention are all good & useful, some better for coloration of sound while PhoenixVerb is neutral. A small room with a drum kit sounds natural. You could also call it clean I suppose. I can get close with Aether, but not quite.

    I don't know technically how it works or what he did but I can definitely hear when comparing it with other verbs on all sorts of tracks & instruments. (or not hear it I should say)

    I'm not put off by the price, it's a one man business owned & ran by Michael whom I have a great deal of respect for.
    It's also one of the few plugins that I'll put up with & continue using an iLok for. 
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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/08/13 08:34:15 (permalink)
    Mike / Carl
    Thanks - I've no problems with iLOK so I'll give the demo a go.
    Appreciate the information and time
    Cheers
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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/08/13 08:36:06 (permalink)
    Slight problem with the demo

    Demos temporarily disabled pending a code update. Please come back in a few days

    I'll go back and have a look later in the week
    Nigel
     
     

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    Re:Reverbs | Exponential Audio + AITB E.A.R.-Rooms 2013/08/13 08:43:44 (permalink)
    Bummer. However there is a bright side.
     
    Mr. Carnes seems to jump on updating anything that someone demonstrates needs to be improved. It's always a little tiny thing usually very specific to some DAW or OS but he gets right on it.
     
    When the iLok swap over came about he even issued a pre announcement suggesting that his beta/dev testing of the license system indicated to him that people should wait and see what happens before attempting the swap.
     
    By heeding his warning I missed the whole head ache and waited until everything worked.
     
    That's an example of what I described as exemplary.
     
     all the best,
    mike
     
     
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