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2011/05/15 22:54:11 (permalink)

Very interesting New AMP sim out :

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This amp sounds very nice on the Audio Demo's.I like the dancing with Lions file particularly, has a nice Walter Becker type tone about it. I've downloaded the DEMO and will review when I get a real chance to check it out..

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    Zuma
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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/15 23:13:39 (permalink)
    Thanks for that. Does sound very sweet and somebody is definitely  a Steely/Becker fan.

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/16 00:23:46 (permalink)
    Or my personal fave...Robben Ford.  Sounds very good.  Dern it.

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/16 00:28:35 (permalink)
    Check out the tone on this demo from the KVR thread... http://www.andras-shimon.com/TEMP/DumbleyAtLast2.mp3

    Sounds freakin' awesome. Of course, being able to play doesn't hurt neither. 

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/16 10:55:08 (permalink)
    How right you are Keith, ol pal!  I've been trying to get that tone out of every amp sim I've got.  Got close but not THIS close.  Yowsa!!

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/16 11:06:06 (permalink)

    Sounds just like an amp sim to me...

    You can dial up a super cool tone... but that's it.

    I think I'm learning that the weakness in amp sims is that they can't reward finger expression very well at all.

    On a real life tube amp string attack and fret board nuances can conjure up a wide variety of character.

    In other words a tube amp can sound like 4 or 5 amp sims and those tones can be called out by the player with their handling of the instrument.

    This example sounds real good for what it is dialed in for... and it is generally lifeless otherwise.

    I'm not hearing any of the cool tonal variety I enjoy in great guitar tone.

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/16 11:42:01 (permalink)
    Hi Mike,
     
    I'd bet that convolution cab simulation is in large part responsible for that "static" quality you're describing. 
    Convolution is great for nabbing an accurate "snapshot"... but it doesn't respond to dynamic changes.
    Dynamic convolution could address this (at least to some degree), but Focusrite might have something to say about it. 
    I'd like to see an accurate algorithmic speaker sim.

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/16 11:46:31 (permalink)

    Those are very interesting comments Jim.

    Thanks for sharing your insights.

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/16 11:58:47 (permalink)
    That would be great Jim.  And I guess I really have a fairly pedestrian ear after all as I hear plenty of pick dynamics in those examples.  But then, although I can "hang" pretty well, I've never considered myself a "real" guitarist.  It's like some folks with the new console emulators who don't really hear the difference but I (think I) can.  Many times I can't hear the difference my guitarist buddies are talking about.

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/16 12:32:55 (permalink)
    Ol'Pal, I have no doubt you're far and away a better guitar player than me...  
    I can hold my own as a vocalist and keyboard player.  I'd never consider myself a bass/guitar player.
    Bass and Guitar are strickly for "my purposes only"... where I can make many mistakes (and laugh out loud) in the privacy of my studio.  I enjoy recording simple bass/guitar parts... as it's a nice antidote to the day-to-day technical side. 
    Just plugin... and make music mistakes...  
     

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/16 17:57:02 (permalink)
    I think the Closest thing to Algo-rhythmic or modeled Cab responses is from Vandal. They sounded good from the demo's if I re-call, I haven't found the nerve to update my Samplitude prg from pro 9 yet. But, just getting Vandal in the deal has almost made me do it.

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/16 20:05:18 (permalink)
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    Check out the tone on this demo from the KVR thread... http://www.andras-shimon.com/TEMP/DumbleyAtLast2.mp3

    Sounds freakin' awesome. Of course, being able to play doesn't hurt neither. 

    http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4509768#4509768


    Well the demo in the thread has surely past... still I remain tied to the mast... could it be that I have found my amp sim at last? Amp sim at last...

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/16 21:31:46 (permalink)
    We'll break out the hats and hooters when Zuma comes home...with his new amp sim.  I won't be far behind you, ol pal.

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/17 08:38:01 (permalink)
    the people I HEAR that embrace this new technology and don't have all the typical hangups you always read about, usually sound incredibly fantastic with it, because their fingers and brain are in sync with what their total signal path is.  On the opposite end, the others DO sound bad and I feel that in most cases, starts with the playing.  Kinda like handing your guitar to a youngster, and he has no clue how to embrace the equipment that is capable of sounding great.  ie... give EVH rig to a beginner and the tone will totally NOT be there, even though the equipment is the same.

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/17 09:08:00 (permalink)
    Rbh that is one sweet solo in Dancing with Lions.  That is the first time I have heard Jerry and he is just amazing. When it is that good does it matter if its an amp sim or not?

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/17 18:44:56 (permalink)
    I'm currently finding a good subtle clean to mild tube effect from Arandaz amp ( white), but it takes a lot of side show effects get it to sound good.

        I think I'll have a go at purchasing the Scuffham rig a few weeks.

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/17 19:37:33 (permalink)
    I'll be downloading the demo Thursday or Friday.  I'll keep ya posted.

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/17 19:52:24 (permalink)
    I suppose no amp sim is gonna blow your mind when you're listening to the result through budget equipment. Set that amp sim to work in a million dollar studio though and I'll bet it would change more than few skeptics minds.... and being Walter Becker sure wouldn't hurt either...
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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/17 19:56:22 (permalink)
    That sounds great.
    Fingers or software?

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/17 19:59:11 (permalink)
    Walter is a wonderful player...in his own style.  He's really just a skillful noodler.  I do love his playing and tone tho!  Jon Herrington is the real monster.  Whoa!

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/17 20:15:52 (permalink)
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    Walter is a wonderful player...in his own style.  He's really just a skillful noodler.  I do love his playing and tone tho!  Jon Herrington is the real monster.  Whoa!


    How 'bout good old Stephen Stills? Never get's the credit he deserves but man I think he's an absolutely phenominal guitarist. Jerry Garcia too... when he wasn't nodding off and he was in the mood and feeling it, he could flat out leave you in the dust. I would say though m y favorite guitarist is David Gilmour. I just love his sense of space and ear for melody/harmony. And he has all those interesting little inflections, a killer vibrato... I don't know, just think his style is really unique and he allows the notes to just expand and finish in their own time... underrated slide player he is too.

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/17 23:09:18 (permalink)
    You know I was never a fan of Pink Floyd when I was young...I'm a contemporary...but have come to appreciate them more an more as the years roll on.  I even use the David Gilmour gauge set on all my electrics now.  Definitely a very interesting player.

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/18 23:04:55 (permalink)
    I need to take exception to your quote Ol Pal " He's really just a skillful noodler. "  Though I can understand when you watch him live, I've seen him a number of times and he does look like he's just noodling. But, when you consider some of the masterful work he done in his career, and listen carefully to his compositional skill  " just a skillful noodler " doesn't quite cut it as a summation.
        To digress if I might : I've always sort of liked Picasso. Interesting noodler type Oh guy when you look on the surface. I picked up small book that gave a history of his works from early on. The goofiest thing I learned about him was that He was an absolute master painter in the classic style by time he was a late teen. His earliest works are absolutely amazing.

    He too is one of those guys that are so skilled at their craft that they define a standard......and all the rest looks like play.

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/18 23:51:21 (permalink)
    I wasn't meaning to take anything away from Walter...I think he's a great player.  But I think he would be the first to tell you he's not even close to being in the "upper echelon" of players.  By that,  I mean a very small group of the uber talented.  But my comment still stands, ol pal.  Walter can "hang" but he's no Jon Herrington.  Just my pitiful opinion:-)


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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/19 00:53:26 (permalink)
    I dug Walter's solo album 11 Tracks of Whack. Particularly "Surf and/or Die", "Down In the Bottom" and "Book of Liars". Great stuff. If I'm not mistaken, I believe old Steely is touring or about to... pretty sure I saw date flash across my screen whilst surfing. Buffalo Springfield is supposed to reunite as well and tour this fall. I'll be catching a few of those shows for sure.

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/19 06:28:43 (permalink)
    Thanks for that. Does sound very sweet and somebody is definitely  a Steely/Becker fan.
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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/19 15:55:26 (permalink)
    Holy...!

    Thanks so much for this!!!

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/20 00:57:51 (permalink)
    Yea, I finally got chance to Demo it for an hour or so. I do think it is one of the best I've played for dynamics.  The tweak module is very subtle for fine tuning. It just seems to work very well,  plenty of decent presets to let you get a taste of its' range. Great pricing too. It'll be my goto Amp Sim for the meat and tater sounds for sure.

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/20 11:46:29 (permalink)
    Downloaded the demo last night.  Plan on working with it this weekend on a commercial project.  Looks great!

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    Re:Very interesting New AMP sim out : 2011/05/21 17:16:16 (permalink)
    Using it on a couple of tracks in my project this weekend (see more in "The Sunday Report").  I'm quite literally taken aback by how good this thing sounds.  I've A/B'd it against a couple of my other emulators and, for what it does, it kicks ass.  It's certainly not as flexible as Amp3 or GR4 or GTR3 BUT it has, at least for me, killer diller tone and playability.  It didn't pop, crackle, glitch, hang, or crash me once.  Me likey!!  Goodby $75 semolians...:-)

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