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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 28, 16 4:30 PM
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Cool!!! Is this a featurepart of a previous update or the Manchester update?
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 28, 16 4:58 PM
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Yeah you could do it before but with the spotlight on Melodyne, we thought it might be cool to show it again.
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 28, 16 8:54 PM
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 29, 16 9:58 AM
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Very Cool indeed! I had no idea we could do this and I could have saved a bunch of money... (spotlight moving away from Melodyne...)  The detection results are somewhat different from Melodyne and appears somewhat more accurate for complex polyphonic material. I just tried this on a Rhodes suitcase and it does not seem to be as sensitive to the tine overtones resulting in a more accurate translation. Thank You!
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 29, 16 10:51 AM
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☄ Helpfulby terrybritton February 01, 16 1:49 PM
Under the hood it's using Melodyne to do this...we simplified the process though and you don't have to open Melodyne to perform this action.
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 29, 16 11:16 AM
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Thanks for the update Andrew,
The difference must be due to my test settings, Great food for thought.
Regardless, Thank You for sharing this information and Great Job!
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 29, 16 4:03 PM
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This is pretty amazing, and I also wasn't aware this was possible. I tried in the past to convert audio to midi with V-Vocal but that didn't work well at all. This works really well.
How long have we been able to just drag an audio clip onto an Instrument track and have it convert to midi ?
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 29, 16 4:08 PM
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 29, 16 4:16 PM
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So if I only had the Essential version, that came with Sonar, I would not have been able to convert a polyphonic track?
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 30, 16 7:47 AM
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Yes, indeed, a very cool feature.
NOW!
Could anybody show that video SLOWER?
Could I find that explanation in some documentation?
That video reminds me some movie advertisement.
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 30, 16 9:26 AM
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How do I get pitch bend data to transfer with it. Studio 2 used to allow it, but I never had it to try. I've brought Studio 4, and tried it, but nothing showed in the even list, but the note and velocity data.
What am I missing, or is this no longer a part of Studio?
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 30, 16 11:20 AM
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☄ Helpfulby terrybritton February 01, 16 1:52 PM
Say , That is a nice little video . I think it would have been nice to let folks know that converting audio to Midi also works very good with converting Analog Bass parts to Midi Bass Parts In addition to that , most folks may not be aware that they could also use this feature to help them transcribe music they may be looking to learn VIA SONAR's audio to midi conversion . Also , In addition to that , if one is so inclined they can also take much of the 3 rd party loop content that came with SONAR in their audio library , or any 3rd part stuff and do that sort of conversion to give it a new lease on Life  Kenny
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 30, 16 11:28 AM
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Again, would this still work for polyphonic material if you only have the Melodyne Essential version that comes with Sonar? My gut says No!
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 30, 16 11:34 AM
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It won't hurt to try, you might get something useful. It will not break anything and will create MIDI data. It will not be able to differentiate individual notes from polyphonic material though.
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 30, 16 11:42 AM
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That's Voodoo! Cant wait to try it.
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 30, 16 11:48 AM
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It won't hurt to try, you might get something useful. It will not break anything and will create MIDI data. It will not be able to differentiate individual notes from polyphonic material though.
I would have already done that but I have full versions of Studio 4 installed and Not Essential. It is just a curiosity to me and it would not be worth the time to go through the process of changing things. I did figure that someone with Essential, only, might chime in. Again, it is just a curiosity if Sonar has some 'Magic' power to do this. Heck, I still believe they have a hidden 'Talent' button buried in there somewhere...
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 30, 16 11:52 AM
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If you have Studio, to see what Essential would do, set the algorithm in Melodyne to one of the non-polyphonic settings. It will work just like Essential.
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 30, 16 12:07 AM
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☄ Helpfulby Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk] January 30, 16 1:56 PM
I have just the basic M...Essential that came w X3 ..haven't even upgraded to the version that came with Manchester yet . IMHO , a lot can be done even in Essential as a monophonic audio to midi conversions in SONAR ... Half the midi in this tune started out as simple audio guitar parts that I played monophonic on my guitar while playing to the track and then I converted them to midi by sliding the audio part to the midi track that had a synth on it .... The rest , all the polyphonic midi was done w an app that I use called Midi Guitar by Jam Origin ... I'm not looking to push my tune here , I'm trying to be helpful . The simple fact of the matter is at least half of this song was done using the monophonic audio to midi conversion in SONAR ... https://soundcloud.com/gu...eday-i-will-love-again dig or not dig ..that's how it was done Kenny
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 30, 16 8:57 PM
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 30, 16 10:52 PM
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Anderton
More about MIDI-to-Audio with SONAR.
"If you want to take matters further, Melodyne Editor ($399) does polyphonic note detection, as well as MIDI conversion, and the multitrack Melodyne Studio ($699) has additional MIDI features, such as adding MIDI pitch-bend data for pitch drift and modulation, envelope creation, and velocity curves. However, note that polyphonic conversion to MIDI requires some work to clean everything up. Celemony has posted an informative video about extracting polyphonic MIDI data from guitars on its website’s Help Center." Is this still correct in Version 4 Craig. It's not mentions on their site or help files as far as I can see, and nothing came up when using Studio4 with Sonar yesterday. Event list just had note and velocity.
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 31, 16 2:58 AM
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Email from Celemony. "Melodyne studio 4 does not offer this feature. "  One step back amongst some steps forward.
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 31, 16 6:40 AM
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I think it would have been nice to let folks know that converting audio to Midi also works very good with converting Analog Bass parts to Midi Bass Parts
Kenny
Somehow, I was able to get a, more or less, rhythmically-similar (ONLY) Midi track by converting my analog bass-line to MIDI. P.S. A lot of compliments for Sonar about it but no precise instructions.
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 31, 16 12:04 AM
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Way to go Cakewalk! Rolling this audio to midi feature in the way you have makes Sonar that much more sophisticated and elegant. Less steps, less clutter; mission accomplished. I love it.
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 31, 16 12:29 AM
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☄ Helpfulby joel77 January 31, 16 1:17 PM
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I think it would have been nice to let folks know that converting audio to Midi also works very good with converting Analog Bass parts to Midi Bass Parts
Kenny
Somehow, I was able to get a, more or less, rhythmically-similar (ONLY) Midi track by converting my analog bass-line to MIDI.
P.S. A lot of compliments for Sonar about it but no precise instructions.
Hello WUTP , A couple of things off the top of my head .. IMHO the Analog Bass conversion to Midi can work surprisingly well ... Here is one example of the proof ... http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=13308818 A quick rundown of what I did ..... I opened up SONAR to my original song project . Added one instance of Dimension Pro ..set it to a Bass patch ... Then I took the mono Bass guitar part that I had played and slid it over to the midi track of the Dimension Pro The ARA conversion did its thing ... Dimension Pro played the midi part one octave down , so I bumped up the octave to match my Analog Bass guitar part .... I exported both files my original Bass part and midi bass part out of SONAR ..then I opened up another instance of SONAR and imported both the files in as a new project .... I feel that it very important that I say what I am about to say next .... I have not edited anything "what so ever " other than shortening the length of the Bass part of both Bass's in the new SONAR project that I have created .( above MP 3 example file ...) I have not edited any of the audio or any of the midi conversion. This means I did no edits in the piano roll .....absolutely no midi edits at all ..Nada ...other than shortening song length It is that way because I want you , or any other interested folks to be able to hear the midi bass conversion ...warts and all .... The last thing I did to prepare for my 128 bit MP3 example was to pan both Bass parts to opposite ends of the stereo field . Analog Bass = left in headphones Dim Pro = Right in Headphones ...opposite for speakers... I did that so it would be easy for anyone to be able to do a valid comparison of the audio to midi conversion ... My original bass part plays out a couple of seconds longer due to having done a split clips near the ending in my song project that didn't slide over for the ARA conversion ... While in SONAR i did not use any plugs or anything when I did my export of both Bass's ... I was having my morning coffee and I wanted to get this file up as fast as possible and have it be an honest representation of the previous claims I have made about the ARA conversion process working very well for Bass... In closing , it is not my desire to prove a point or come off as some kind of a know it all or any other type of internet Bad A$$ In my mind I think it is pretty awesome that this type of stuff can be done now a days ... I'm honestly genuinely happy that I can learn how to do these new type of things . My short term goal is to achieve a satisfactory musical result using the current tools I have gotten already in SONAR ... all the best , Kenny
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 31, 16 1:05 PM
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Somehow, I was able to get a, more or less, rhythmically-similar (ONLY) Midi track by converting my analog bass-line to MIDI.
P.S. A lot of compliments for Sonar about it but no precise instructions.
Try a different Melodyne algorithm, it may be set to percussive. IIRC, the audio-to-MIDI conversion uses the default set in Melodyne. Open any clip in Melodyne and set the default algorithm.
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 31, 16 10:59 PM
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Kenny, have you tried the midi file plying upright bass at all? I can't see why it wouldn't be as successful, and the playing technique would be more natural than with a keyboard.
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January 31, 16 11:36 PM
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☄ Helpfulby Kamikaze January 31, 16 11:54 PM
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Kenny, have you tried the midi file plying upright bass at all? I can't see why it wouldn't be as successful, and the playing technique would be more natural than with a keyboard.
Yes I have , just now . It sounds great . You know Kamikaze , it's funny this morning when I made the MP3 example I went for a quick Dim Pro Bass sound ... BTW , I played a real Bass for my audio Bass parts ...a 4 string Yamaha ... While I was messing around a few mins ago I auditioned a few Acoustic Bass sounds VIA Dim Pro in my song ... That little experiment turned out to be somewhat of an ear opener ... I almost hate to say this ...I think I like the midi Upright Bass sound better than what I had played on a real Bass  Kenny
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
January 31, 16 11:48 PM
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Cool, I'm not good with the bass, but my playing sounds far more natural than a keyboard ever did. I'm keyboardless now. When I play monophonic sounds from my Midi Sax, they sound far more natural than the my keyboard playing ever did. Bass synths seem to respond well, but bass guitar sounds just ok. Looking at the prices of high quailty bass guitar sample sets last year, I thought why not just use the money for a bass, and learn how nail the playing style, with racking etc. I can't do the same thing with an upright (especially being fretless) with size and cost, micing issues, but the bass guitar can capture it, so this looks an appealing way to get a performance from a sample set of upright.
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Re: Video: Convert Audio to MIDI in SONAR
February 01, 16 12:51 AM
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Cool, I'm not good with the bass, but my playing sounds far more natural than a keyboard ever did. I'm keyboardless now. When I play monophonic sounds from my Midi Sax, they sound far more natural than the my keyboard playing ever did. Bass synths seem to respond well, but bass guitar sounds just ok. Looking at the prices of high quailty bass guitar sample sets last year, I thought why not just use the money for a bass, and learn how nail the playing style, with racking etc. I can't do the same thing with an upright (especially being fretless) with size and cost, micing issues, but the bass guitar can capture it, so this looks an appealing way to get a performance from a sample set of upright.
Hey Kamikaze , If you can swing an Electric Bass at some point , I would say go for it ... Even during the learning stages it would certainly bring a lot to the table for you .. Plus SONAR doesn't seem to care one bit what it may say on the head-stock You Know what ? I took your advice I just spent a couple of hours with my tune and I did a fresh ARA conversion to my electric Bass part . Dialed up a Full Acoustic Bass sound in Dimension Pro , spent some time in the piano roll doing edits ... Got to say that after doing all that the Acoustic Upright sound brought my tune to a better place ... It's a Keeper . ( still have to work on the rest of the stuff lol ) thanks for the suggestion , Kenny
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