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Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
Brandon Ryan demos Cakewalk SONAR Producer version 8.5 using a Shawn K. Clement remix of Cori Yarckin's "Everything You Said" with 140 tracks, 50 plug-ins and a high-res 800 MB AVI video file—all running simultaneously on a PCAudioLabs Intel Core i7 desktop machine. You can watch Brandon on MixTV here. http://mixonline.com/vide...walk_sonar_85_session/ Enjoy! Robin
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/09/30 20:04:38
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/09/30 20:09:55
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Impressive. How much ram and which i7 processor?
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/09/30 20:14:33
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Great stuff, Cakewalk, 64-bit is "for real."
Can you (or PC AudioLabs) tell us about the specs, components, OS and configuration of the system used in the video?
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/09/30 20:28:01
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That's right baby. 64 bit is now!
Bitbridge 2.0 is just amazing! (I'm not getting tired of saying that, no :-P).
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Brandon Ryan [Roland]
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/09/30 20:42:08
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TaoManna Don
Impressive. How much ram and which i7 processor?
I believe it's an i7 965 with 6GB running dual channel.
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/09/30 20:43:46
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Houndawg
Great stuff, Cakewalk, 64-bit is "for real."
Can you (or PC AudioLabs) tell us about the specs, components, OS and configuration of the system used in the video?
Other than what I've already mentioned regarding CPU and RAM, the system is a mix of SSD and standard spindle drives and runs Vista x64 SP2 (which has been tweaked somewhat).
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/09/30 20:49:58
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Thanks for the (very) prompt reply, Brandon. Were you using the Cakewalk VS-700R V-Studio I/O (and therefore their audio drivers) for the 96 buffer playback?
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Brandon Ryan [Roland]
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/09/30 21:04:04
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Houndawg
Thanks for the (very) prompt reply, Brandon. Were you using the Cakewalk VS-700R V-Studio I/O (and therefore their audio drivers) for the 96 buffer playback?
Yup - you got it exactly.
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/09/30 21:06:17
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That DAW must cost more than my car. 
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/09/30 21:27:02
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and when you're doing stuff on the cutting edge, people get confused and don't understand why some things don't work all the time. In otherwords, use Audacity, if you don't want bugs. Too many tracks though....even though many weren't playing all the time! Extremely impressive, especially the latency. whoa!
post edited by mixmkr - 2009/09/30 21:28:36
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/09/30 21:28:30
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Absolutely, very impressive. I'm looking forward to moving to a total 64 bit system. Sonar, as usual, rocks. But, if I could ask a tangential question, how come (and like most of the stuff used as demos on the UAD and other sites) the band/music used on this Sonar demo...er...sucks? I mean it sounds like myriad other (rock??)bands and the mix is very muddy and there is no (at least for me) wow factor or difference or newness or production values that make me go...whoa!!...well, that's not quite true...it actually did make me go...whoa!!...turn that off. But Sonar's still the nuts. Absolutely.
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/09/30 21:29:36
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I'm not surprised by this number , i reached 100 tracks on a acer extensa 1.8 mono core,10 plugins on this pre mix !!
now 140 +50 plugins that's something !!
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/09/30 21:30:21
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for sure... the wow factor of a "jorden rudis" playing Omnisphere isn't there with this band.
whoa... good stuff cake
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/09/30 21:33:53
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Or Beck's Odelay...for instance.
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/09/30 21:35:23
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Well, I think that's based on personal preferences. I personally liked the song they played in the demo.
It sounded well orchestrated, and had that big production feel. The muddiness comes from it being recorded with a camera mic, and then compressed to hell for internet distribution.
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/09/30 21:36:52
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Bollocks. Course, I say that with love. 
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/10/01 09:57:01
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64 bit it really matters.
150 tracks that is just too many to keep track of!
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/10/01 11:02:48
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With the new memory management (for plugins) , it seems that 64 bits is gonna be a must have very soon !
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/10/01 13:03:25
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It's funny that so many of you are surprised. I was doing sessions this size on Sonar 5 (minus the video, with twice as many plugins) on my old dual-core system. I'd imagine the i7 is probably capable of 3-4 times that workload.
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/10/01 13:12:00
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dontletmedrown
It's funny that so many of you are surprised. I was doing sessions this size on Sonar 5 (minus the video, with twice as many plugins) on my old dual-core system. I'd imagine the i7 is probably capable of 3-4 times that workload.
Yeah, but he's doing all that at 96 samples (2.2 ms). I don't think a Dual Core can do that :-)
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/10/01 14:02:23
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SO nice to NOT see a hip-hop project . . .
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/10/01 14:03:54
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also - none of those synths were frozen were they?
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/10/01 14:08:13
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64 bit it really matters. Freddie H.'s lawyers will be contacting you VERY soon, John.
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/10/01 14:09:45
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DH123
also - none of those synths were frozen were they?
The whole project is a mixed bag of live synths, audio tracks and frozen synths. There were probably around two dozen live synths in this project and maybe as many frozen as separate audio tracks. Some synths were frozen due to using audio editing on the resultant rendered tracks and also due to some sounds being part of the composers custom library. There's also around 50 non-frozen plugins (including some pretty heavy duty ones and even synths as effects).
post edited by Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk] - 2009/10/01 14:12:40
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/10/01 14:19:03
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Absolutely, very impressive. I'm looking forward to moving to a total 64 bit system. Sonar, as usual, rocks. But, if I could ask a tangential question, how come (and like most of the stuff used as demos on the UAD and other sites) the band/music used on this Sonar demo...er...sucks? I mean it sounds like myriad other (rock??)bands and the mix is very muddy and there is no (at least for me) wow factor or difference or newness or production values that make me go...whoa!!...well, that's not quite true...it actually did make me go...whoa!!...turn that off. But Sonar's still the nuts. Absolutely.
I agree...but maybe we're from another world... another time... another place... where a lot of things sound "different"... in a lot of pleasing ways here... in this time and on this planet... everything pretty much has to sound the same or no one will buy it... at least that's what the agents, producers, consultants and other braintrusts tell me... Boom Boom CHA! gargle before you gag... What's that unfamiliar sound? Why Poppa Got A Brand New Bag and these idiots are tryin to fill it with the same old... (dukey, poopy doopy... crap.., bacteria laden excreta... whatever you call it) <belch>
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/10/01 14:25:44
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150 tracks that is just too many to keep track of! Amen, brother John. I am still using a 8086 brain, and the memory I can access seems to be dropping. When is the cerebral update due?
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/10/01 14:29:57
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The sound was in mono, was it picked up by Brandon's mic or mixed separately?
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Re:Video: The 140-Track Cakewalk SONAR Session
2009/10/01 14:33:52
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DH123
The sound was in mono, was it picked up by Brandon's mic or mixed separately?
It was recorded using a mic connected to one of the cameras.
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