Vox VT30 Hum

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2014/12/22 20:41:04 (permalink)

Vox VT30 Hum

My Vox VT30 has suddenly started humming and not in a good way.
I have been reading about others having this issue but have not found the fix yet.
Here's my scenario:
1. Amp has a hum like a 60hz ground loop after turning it on and with the volume control in the back of the amp all the way off.
2. Lifted the ground and no change.
3. Tried different AC outlets and no change.
4. Reset the amp holding Channel 1 and 4 buttons down, turning it on and then pressing Bypass.  This resets the digital brain and there was no change.
5. Sent an email to Sweetwater Support to see if they know anything about this.
6.  Ordered a new tube today which I will get right after Christmas.
 
When I first got the amp, it was really quiet.  I have barely used it in this last year.  It cost $200 and I don't think I want to spend $100 getting it fixed so I posted this thread so see if anyone has any clue as to what might be going on.
I would love to get this amp working again.
TIA
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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/22 20:59:51 (permalink)
    Don't forget, Sweetwater doubles the warranty...
     


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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/23 09:52:20 (permalink)
    Yes but I am out of warranty now...

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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/23 16:35:12 (permalink)
    Sounds like a bad power supply capacitor, but solid state is mysterious to me. It may be worth a visual inspection to see if there's any obviously blow components. Just be careful not to touch anything lest the static blows it up.

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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/23 17:03:02 (permalink)
    Hi John.  I will check that out.  Thanks much for the tip.
    In your experience, could this issue be related to a bad tube?  I am concerned that there is hum even when the master volume control is turned all the way off.  
     
    Thanks.
     

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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/24 00:38:02 (permalink)
    It depends where the master volume is located in the circuit. I thought it was a Solid State amp. If it has tubes and uses an AC heater voltage (6.3 volts) then you could have an imbalance in the heater supply. With that AC supply they balance the AC with a grounded center tap to cancel hum. Many transformers today don't have a center tap to save money. Instead, they connect each side of the heater supply to ground using a resistor. This creates a balance and cancels hum. If a resistor goes off spec or gets a bad connection, then it can cause noise.
     
    I don't think I explained that too well, but I've got the flu and a spinning head. Try changing the tube and see if the hum goes away. The reason that the volume doesn't affect the hum level, is that the hum is being generated at a point past the volume control or outside of the signal path completely. 

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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/24 07:37:50 (permalink)
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    It depends where the master volume is located in the circuit. I thought it was a Solid State amp.



    I've had little luck finding a schematic, but it looks like it has a solid state front end and tube output.
     
    Rimshot, if you don't know what you're doing, I wouldn't go sticking my hands into your amp, on or off.  There are voltages around 400v, sometimes stored in large capacitors that aren't automatically leaked when you turn off the system.
     
    Changing a tube shouldn't be a problem if you can get at it without touching anything else.  Not sure you'd be getting any sound if there was a problem with an output tube, which I think is all you have.  How many tubes to you see?  Just two big ones, two big ones and a small one, or some other combination ?
     
     

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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/24 08:18:16 (permalink)
    I wouldn't suspect a tube.  That sounds more like a power supply (capacitor) problem.
     
    I don't know about Vox, but many amps use connectors internally to connect, for example the preamp board to the power amp board.  If that connector is not making good contact it can cause hum.  Peavey was famous for internal connector problems on amps that use Molex connectors. 

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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/24 08:20:15 (permalink)
    I see just one tube.  It is a 
    Electro-Harmonix 12AX7EH Preamp TubeThe volume control is located on the back of the amp.  
    Here is some help on the subject:
    http://www.valvetronix.net/forums/vt30-problem-loud-hum-t4484.html
     

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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/24 08:32:23 (permalink)
    Look at the good news: at least it's not a bad output transformer.
     



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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/24 09:01:27 (permalink)


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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/24 09:06:59 (permalink)
    It seems as if the VT30 is based on Vox's "valve reactor" technology:
     
     

     


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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/24 09:10:13 (permalink)
     
    There are several flow charts showing the Vox Valve Reactor™ topology but I haven't found one specific to the VT30.
     
    In the VT30 the "output transformer" has been replaced with Coupling Capacitor Technology™.
     
     


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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/24 10:50:22 (permalink)
    <my apologies in advance to the OP>
    Do you think there's a whole 50 volts on the plate of that 12ax7?
    Ah, the ubiquitous Flux Capacitor™, right up there with Unobtainium™.
    Don't look now but this:
    true tube push/pull power amp
    trumps this:
    class-A, class-AB
    every time; at least in my experience.
    There are at least a hundred reasons a Vox AC30 sounds like a Vox AC30.
    The Cathode biased output stage NOT being, IMHO, the "main" reason.
    You can call it class-A, if you like, its STILL a push/pull amplifier...
    </my apologies in advance to the OP>
     
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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/24 12:21:01 (permalink)
     
    So much for high voltages and large power supply caps.
     
    Here's something that may apply :

     
    From :  http://www.seymourduncan.com/forum/showthread.php?201710-Vox-VT30-LED-under-the-tube/page2

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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/24 13:06:35 (permalink)
    Thanks to all of you for your replies.  I am definately no tech when it comes to this stuff.  I can solder xlr cables and change a tube but that's about it. I will turn off and unplug power and take the brain out, replace the tube and make sure I have good connections with the connectors.  Then I will reassemble and power it up.  If the hum is still there, I will try disconnecting the headphone lead as suggested in the link I posted earlier.  It that doesn't do it, I think this unit is dead and I will not be putting any more money into repair.  
     
    At that point, I might look for a tube head that might be used with the cabinet.  
    What is a bummer is that this amp really sounded good before the hum happened.  It was clean and could crank up really nicely.  I am just getting into micing my leads and then this happened.  :)
     

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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/24 14:06:24 (permalink)
    My money is on a bad capacitor in the power amp. Likely a 2 cent component. Have a really close look at the electrolytic caps. The little cans that are soldered onto the board. One is likely bad or has a bad connection to the board. 
     
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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/24 14:29:03 (permalink)
    Is that 12AX7 running low plate voltage ("starved plate") operation?

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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/24 15:51:59 (permalink)
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    My money is on a bad capacitor in the power amp. Likely a 2 cent component. Have a really close look at the electrolytic caps. The little cans that are soldered onto the board. One is likely bad or has a bad connection to the board. 
     
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    Will check that.  Thanks.

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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/24 15:52:37 (permalink)
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    Is that 12AX7 running low plate voltage ("starved plate") operation?




    Hi fireberd, I am sorry but I don't know the answer to your question.  Where can I find out?

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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/24 16:58:42 (permalink)
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    Will check that.  Thanks.



    Unplug the amp first
     

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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/24 17:52:44 (permalink)
    Yes - I will definitely un-plug the power cord before attempting anything.  If I don't you would not be able to hear any more of my songs like this one !


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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/24 18:31:18 (permalink)
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    Is that 12AX7 running low plate voltage ("starved plate") operation?




    Hi fireberd, I am sorry but I don't know the answer to your question.  Where can I find out?




    I'll offer a creative way to do this safely for a non techie person:
     
    Look at the largest capacitors  (the blue canisters with a white stripe) and read their voltage rating.
     
    The 12ax7 is nominally run at 200vDC. A cap on the "B+" voltage supply will be rated just above what this amps run the tube at. It could be a 250v cap on a 200vDC supply or it could be just about anything lower now that using tubes, in solid state amps, as a bullet list feature has become so routine.
     
     


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    Re: Vox VT30 Hum 2014/12/25 14:24:57 (permalink)
    Thanks Mike.  I will look at that. 
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