Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!!

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2012/12/02 23:21:32 (permalink)

Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!!

Anytime I use dimension pro to make a beat in Sonar, usually when I use the pre made drum loops, Sonar crashes/freezes. So I raised the recording/playback buffers, that did not work. I have a brand new quad core cpu with 10 gigs of RAM so I know its not the problem. It happened with Sonar X1 so I bought X2, same problem.I'm using the RME FireFace 800 and their brand new drivers. And I'm using ASIO in sonar. Seems like there is a setting that needs to be adjusted but do not know what to do. Using VST sounds in Sonar seems to be a nightmare. Any Suggestions?????????
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    robert_e_bone
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    Re:Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!! 2012/12/03 01:10:59 (permalink)
    Hi please list ALL of your system specs as well as the specific settings you use - also driver versions.  Producer?  Essentials?

    We cannot assist without more information on how you have everything set up.

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    Re:Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!! 2012/12/03 02:17:31 (permalink)
    You might also benefit from reading this article which details how to do completely remove Dim Pro from your system.


    You can then easily reinstall it but you MUST run the installer "As Administrator"

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    Re:Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!! 2012/12/03 04:33:01 (permalink)
    Dim Pro 1.5 x64 definately crashes with some presets on my system, too.

    I use the x32 build jBridged to x64.
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    Re:Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!! 2012/12/03 04:50:14 (permalink)
    Same here! I have noticed that Dimension Pro 1.5 freezes Sonar X2 in some projects: System: 64 bit Win7, 16 GB ram, 6 cores. Firewire-soundcard.
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    Re:Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!! 2012/12/03 08:23:40 (permalink)
    I have never had Dim Pro 1.5 mess up any project in X1 or X2.  I was just working with a project last night that has 5 instances of Dim Pro, and no trouble whatsoever.

    Perhaps a clean removal and installation would be a good idea.

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    Re:Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!! 2012/12/03 08:24:57 (permalink)
    Note: I am running Dim Pro 1.5 in x64 X1 and X2 -  forgot to specify in my prior post - sorry, 

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    Re:Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!! 2012/12/03 11:40:40 (permalink)
    Yes, there are a number of drum loop presets in DimPro 1.5 that crash X2 every time.  I started making a list, but then thought, "to hell with it" ... if I need a drum loop I'll use session drummer or some such... All other patches in DimPro seem to work without any problems.


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    Re:Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!! 2012/12/03 13:22:41 (permalink)
    I use DimPro all the time and I can't recall it ever crashing with regular, non-looped sounds. I tried using a few of the loops and found that it consistently crashed on some loops. I gave up on DimPro loops and am VERY happy using the media browser with Beatscape content. I wonder if you could point the media browser to the DimPro loops and then drag/drop the loops into a track.

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    Re:Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!! 2012/12/03 21:44:27 (permalink)
    Thanks Bristol and Bob, My set up: Acer quad core, 10 gigs ram, sonar x2 producer addition, RME fireface 800, using the lates RME drivers.
    post edited by Sicflow - 2012/12/04 00:01:20
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    Re:Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!! 2012/12/03 23:59:31 (permalink)
    Did a complete re-install of sonar and pro dimension....deleted the registry first so it was a clean re install. Dimension pro still freezing up when using pre made drum loops. It freezes up using other dimension pro sounds but not as quick as when using the loops.
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    Re:Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!! 2013/01/06 02:51:53 (permalink)
    Yes I am getting the same problem with DP x64. It only happens on certain RX2 loops and not others, so I have to save my project and "test" a loop before I can deem it "safe." This is really annoying because it makes it hard to browse through loops. I've had it crash mostly on RX2 loops -- once it crashed on one of the new Christmas jingles CW released, but I've never had it crash on the original factory (non-REX) sounds (haven't tested it extensively, though). I wish Cakewalk would fix this because there isn't an alternative to play RX2 sounds -- the old RXP plugin is only 32-bit and doesn't work very well.
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    Re:Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!! 2013/01/06 02:54:34 (permalink)
    Dragging-and-dropping RX2 loops directly onto an audio track is a safe alternative to DP, but you have to use DP if you want to trigger individual slices, and some loops crash.
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    Re:Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!! 2013/01/06 03:04:10 (permalink)
    Has any of you filed a problem report? Some of these crashes are clearly reproducible.

    I reckon I report the one I posted recently (http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2749806)

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    Re:Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!! 2013/01/06 11:01:21 (permalink)
    Can one or more of you guys list some of the specific loops causing crashes?

    I'd like to play around with some of the parameters in Dim Pro and see if that resolves the issues.

    There is at least one regular preset Almost There - under the '08' group, it's a guitar sound, and it crashes Sonar - BUT if you adjust 2 of the parameters (have to look them up again, but I did this before and it works), so that the parameter values are set to zero, then save the preset, it will then work after that.

    Soooooooo, I am hoping that maybe something like that might fix these, so please list some of the ones you are having trouble with and I will try to see if something can be adjusted that causes them to start working.

    Thanks, 

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    Re:Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!! 2013/01/06 11:03:13 (permalink)
    I went back to find the thread link containing the steps that fixed the Almost There preset from crashing Sonar:

    http://forum.cakewalk.com...?m=2074837&mpage=1

    So, if someone posts some of the loops causing crashes I will tinker and post back results, 

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    Re:Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!! 2013/01/06 11:42:08 (permalink)
    Thanks Bob for digging that info out of the accumulated forum wisdom!

    The 'Almost Together' preset was the one crashing on my machine. So I reckon what is posted in that thread will solve my issues.

    Anyway, what puzzle me now: Is it that "Random unipolar" or "Sample Delay" setting that is the trouble maker? Will that cause other presets to crash if set to something other than zero?

    This is something to tinker about if you feel like it. If we could isolate that one setting as a trouble maker (i.e. it crashes other preset while all/many other knobs don't crash 'Almost Together') it would raise my confidence in Dimension Pro again ...

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    Re:Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!! 2013/01/06 12:41:36 (permalink)
    Well, if my memory is working today (hasn't so far, but I remain hopeful), I believe I have run through a whole bunch of the presets, building a list of which ones I find 'playable' for future recordings, and I don't recall running across any others - but for SURE I have not gone through all of the presets.

    I DIMLY recall seeing the settings used on other presets, but I could not testify to that in court.  One of the things I wanted to do today was to continue going through the presets, and I will try to  keep an eye out for any other presets that have those parameters set to something other than zero.

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    Re:Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!! 2013/01/06 13:26:57 (permalink)
    Guys, check out this thread. The first post MAY very well fix your problems. --> http://forum.cakewalk.com.m.aspx?m=2074837&mpage=1 

    Edit: Woops, looks like you guys are already on to it. :)

    The only time I've ever had Dimension pro crash was because that setting was set to something other than 0.

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    Re:Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!! 2013/01/31 01:33:48 (permalink)
    Hey I *think* I found a solution. DPro seems to crash only if Sonar is set to a different tempo than the original loop. If Sonar's tempo matches that of the loop, DPro will not crash. I'll keep stress-testing it to be doubly sure. If this can be reproduced, maybe Cakewalk can fix it.
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    Re:Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!! 2013/01/31 01:44:07 (permalink)
    Never mind, it's still crashing on other RX2 files even when the tempo is the same. It just seemed like it was temporarily working for some reason. :(
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    Re: Vst sounds (dimension pro) crashing/freezing Sonar x2!!!! 2014/08/11 23:09:14 (permalink)
    necroposting this because x3e still crashes when previewing rex files like clockwork.
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