I knew there would be resistance to this direction cake has decided to take the forums.  I never thought it would be this hostile.
 
Currently this committee is deciding exactly what the direction truly looks like.  Ryan and Willy will determine the final say with our input, but they might disregard anything or everything we've suggested in the committee and implement it the way they see fit.  they are the ones who have the final decision.
 
It is my thought that any time a forum host acts in a way that violates the TOS (which is also currently under revision by this committee), that any member may report that forum host for the violation.  I feel it would be appropriate for a member to report that forum host to Ryan or Willy directly if the need is substantiated.  That is the accountability the forum hosts would be held to (not to mention there is a "code of conduct" which is a higher accountability than the TOS which forum hosts must adhere to)  they are not Admins of the forum, and they will have limited powers which can all be overridden by an Admin.
 
if there's a problem with a forum host, report them to the admin. 

I'm cool with whatever. Those identified as "potential" hosts are all good people. No idea why there seems to be some resistance to it. The best thing would be to simply make the changes and move on. The longer change is talked about the higher the opportunity for resistance.
 
Like the Nike commercial says "just do it".

tom1
Beagle
I knew there would be resistance to this direction cake has decided to take the forums. I never thought it would be this hostile.
 
 
 
Hi Beagle. First,I don't sense hostlity. Just a few different points of view. Which, imo, is a not necessarily a bad thing.

Hey Tom,
I guess it's really only Steve's passive/aggressive and sarcastic posts which seem hostile to me.  hostile may have been a poorly chosen word.
 
different points of view I think are very welcome and are actually a very good thing.  I hope the conversation can continue without finger pointing and lack of respect for one another.

I have no idea whether Steve is joking or not. I find myself equally thinking "that's something to think about" and "who gives a crap?".  Yes, the coffeehouse often contains posts that are probably technically violations of TOS (plenty of political and occasional religious stuff pops up), but among such a mostly homogenous group it's somewhat of a non-issue.  Most of the borderline stuff is non-disruptive because for the most part, it ends up being pages of "me too".  None of them tend to get into the more volatile debates that occur outside of coffeehouse. The bottom line is that as long as they are moderating outside of coffeehouse according to the standards set by Cakewalk, how they conduct themselves in coffeehouse is a non-issue to me.  The FSF stuff is silly, but so what.  It's not hurting anyone and they are all willing participants.

By hosts I mean coffee house regulars obv

 

Beagle

tom1
Beagle
I knew there would be resistance to this direction cake has decided to take the forums. I never thought it would be this hostile.
 
 
 
Hi Beagle. First,I don't sense hostlity. Just a few different points of view. Which, imo, is a not necessarily a bad thing.

Hey Tom,
I guess it's really only Steve's passive/aggressive and sarcastic posts which seem hostile to me.  hostile may have been a poorly chosen word.
 
different points of view I think are very welcome and are actually a very good thing.  I hope the conversation can continue without finger pointing and lack of respect for one another.

So, let me get this straight - because I have voiced my misgivings about the implementation of forum hosts, and my opinions differ to yours, you construe that as "hostility"? Have I offended you?
 
For the record, I am not hostile to anyone. And if my legitimate concerns about how this will eventually roll out, and how any of that affects me personally is seen as the 'passive' part of my 'passive/aggressiveness', then I think that's just about as bigoted and blinkered as anything I've ever read in these forums.
 
Let's turn this about face for a moment:

1. Do you think the FSF is good for the forum?
2. Do you think forum hosts participating in the FSF is a good example to set?
3. Do you think the fact that one of your number operates several forum log-ins is appropriate for a forum host?
4. Do you think forum hosts should start empty/spoof threads?

Like I said, whatever role those who eventually become forum hosts actually take on, I believe these, and similar activities make a mockery of the position.
 
And isn't your saying I should just report such perceived infractions by forum hosts to a moderator the height of passive/aggressive behaviour? Aren't you allowed an opinion of your own any more? Are you still waiting to be told what should be reported and what shouldn't?
 
Finally, I wonder if the sublime irony of the situation has occurred to anyone else yet? I'm speaking of when I've occasionally mentioned in the past my belief that the endless 'drivel', the pointless 'silliness', the 'empty and spoof threads' and that godforsaken FSF are having the effect of turning this place into little more than a pre-school nursery, I have been roundly shouted down as a kill-joy and a troublemaker. Now we find that some of the perpetrators of this gibberish may soon sit in judgement over the rest of us.
 
It's like the inmates have taken over the asylum.
 
These are strictly my opinions - hopefully there's nothing passive/aggressive perceived or intended.
 
And if that seems a bit hostile, then so be it.
 
 
 
 
 
 

drewfx1
Personally I find it hilarious when people claim they aren't "hostile" (or whatever) and then immediately proceed to use words/expressions like "mockery", "drivel", "pointless silliness", "pre-school nursery", "gibberish" and "it's like the inmates have taken over the asylum".

Maybe it's a matter of semantics, but I don't think any of those terms are inherently hostile.  Mocking, perhaps, but not hostile IMHO. I suppose this is yet another example of the awkwardness of trying to gauge emotion accurately.  I hear a voice in my head that was sarcastic and dismissive but with no anger in it.

lawp
Will the new hosts compile the standard repeated questions, and their standard repeated answers, into a faq?

That may even be done by us before the new hosts are chosen.



Or it may not.

SteveStrummerUK
 ....
Finally, I wonder if the sublime irony of the situation has occurred to anyone else yet? I'm speaking of when I've occasionally mentioned in the past my belief that the endless 'drivel', the pointless 'silliness', the 'empty and spoof threads' and that godforsaken FSF are having the effect of turning this place into little more than a pre-school nursery, I have been roundly shouted down as a kill-joy and a troublemaker. Now we find that some of the perpetrators of this gibberish may soon sit in judgement over the rest of us.

All you're saying here is that in your opinion anyone who has ever posted in the Coffee House should be barred from being a forum host.

I do think that this changes the feel of the forum a little (not in a good way), at least it does for me. I don't know how to explain it but it makes me feel a bit more weird than usual. I'm not sure what was broken or how this fixes it. I know sometimes I favor something until it happens then I wonder, "what was I thinking"? There will be more opportunity for meltdowns now because it does introduce a little bit of "us and them". It shouldn't but I think it does.
 
However, it could be MUCH worse. Cakewalk could have closed the forum and moved everything to Facebook. I've seen two other forums do that and both became completely useless.
 
Steve's points 1-4, are valid points and are the kind of things that will cause trouble sooner or later, in fact, they already seem to be.
 
This has been mostly a happy place, I sincerely hope it stays that way.
 
I'll be over to the side, watching.. if you need me, which is doubtful.
 
J

'if there's a problem with a forum host, report them to the admin.'

Exactly. Could not agree more.

CakeAlexS
'if there's a problem with a forum host, report them to the admin.'

Exactly. Could not agree more.

Oh I can imagine there will be a good few complaints made regarding the attitude of one or two forum members that have acquired a new badge Alex.
 
By the way, I noticed your "." post (the one you posted after inviting people to comment here) was quickly removed from the thread upstairs...

Just checked nope link is still there and discussion is still happening. All good..

CakeAlexS
The only "." posts I do are dupes.

Well that's rather odd, because your "." post had not been edited in any way, and your post directly before it was inviting people to comment here?  This doesn't seem at all consistent with other users duplicate posts?

A forum software glitch I'm sure.

I guess Anderton needs to edit the title of this thread since it's "hosts" not "moderators"?