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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 18:45:54
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such are the dangers of forums, and indeed life itself! it always amazes me how people remember things differently, so here's a link to help you separate the (well-meaning) hog-wash from the (well-meaning) hog-wash http://lifehacker.com/how-to-train-your-mind-to-think-critically-and-form-you-1516998286 As God's my witness i was going to say something like that, but since i was the 'stranger' in town, know one 'knows', i deleted the little i had typed. That's why i haven't posted anymore. When i see some one either doesn't trust you, because they don't know you, and it's on something in the past that's fairly dissipated and enigmatic, with many 'dots' to connect, i often shift into the "if they can't see it, you can't explain it to them" mode. That's why theologians argue all the time - too many 'Labels' with too many loose ends dangling in the wind over something their hearts are greatly attached too. The fact is we're both right, just like with religion many times. If i come across a camcorder i'll post a vid of what i'm talking about. Since it's so slight in movement a screen capture app wouldn't grab it. Off to finished my tune.. Tim
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 19:36:05
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Artdude
such are the dangers of forums, and indeed life itself! it always amazes me how people remember things differently, so here's a link to help you separate the (well-meaning) hog-wash from the (well-meaning) hog-washhttp://lifehacker.com/how-to-train-your-mind-to-think-critically-and-form-you-1516998286
As God's my witness i was going to say something like that, but since i was the 'stranger' in town, know one 'knows', i deleted the little i had typed. That's why i haven't posted anymore. When i see some one either doesn't trust you, because they don't know you, and it's on something in the past that's fairly dissipated and enigmatic, with many 'dots' to connect, i often shift into the "if they can't see it, you can't explain it to them" mode. That's why theologians argue all the time - too many 'Labels' with too many loose ends dangling in the wind over something their hearts are greatly attached too. The fact is we're both right, just like with religion many times.
If i come across a camcorder i'll post a vid of what i'm talking about. Since it's so slight in movement a screen capture app wouldn't grab it. Off to finished my tune..
Tim
If you are a true critical thinker you would install the demo then :).... that bypasses all the issues stated above and will give you the answers you need.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 21:29:02
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Anderton
Artdude
I vividly remember last year or so when X3 came out, the complains of bugs, idiosyncrasies, etc, were greater than that which other incarnations of Sonar have incurred. That's what i meant.
I don't think that is a correct assessment. First, there were lots of "this version is great" threads. Second, many of the complaints were due to unfamiliarity with the program, and were solved shortly after posting. For example people thought Take Lanes didn't work, because they didn't work as they had before. Once they figured out the different paradigm, most took to the concept.
Also, many of the bugs that were actual bugs (either at Sonar's end or at the end of other products working with Sonar) were squashed with three rapid-fire updates.
To reiterate what Craig said. This has been the best release of the SONAR X series and probably one of the best in our history. Of course people are going to have issues and questions out of the gate and we've been responding and updating SONAR based on the feedback. SONAR X3 is a mature program that has been very well received by users and press.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 21:38:30
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Artdude
If i come across a camcorder i'll post a vid of what i'm talking about. Since it's so slight in movement a screen capture app wouldn't grab it. Off to finished my tune..
Tim
Have you checked yet whether "snap to nearest zero crossing" is enabled? Critical thinking would demand testing the hypotheses that are presented as possible solutions in order to identify whether something is truly a bug, or simply a case of unfamiliarity with the program's defaults.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 21:54:16
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So popular do I think this release of Sonar has been, I don't recall there being so many old time sonar users come out of the woodwork on the forum. All with positive comments. The number of new users too has been unprecedented. While many of their problems have been related to first time user problems there's been an unprecedented level of positive support from forum members. To cap it off, the Cakewalk staff have been on the forum and busy with new updates, to the point of it being blatantly obvious how much folks care about this product and it's users.
This forum is like a central hub of activity where all involved in the making, selling or use of Sonar come together and share to the betterment of everyone.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 23:26:39
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I was reluctant to try X3 because of the roll out write-ups about X1 and even X2. But I went for X3 from 8.5.3, and have not looked back. It is fabulous. There was a minor learning curve, but for some reason I could not go back to 8.5.3.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/13 01:50:43
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What's going on? Judging from the product itself and the responses in this forum, X3 is a success, although there ARE issues (including Take Lanes issues) confirmed by CW. As others mentioned, there's a demo available now. If you find some issue, report it to CW via Problem Reporter. You'll know in a few to several days if it's a bug or a user error or something else. I wonder why people prefer to speculate and jump to conclusions and then get disagreed and start arguing and so on. Waste of time IMO.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/13 01:57:35
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Jlien X
You'll know in a few to several days if it's a bug or a user error or something else.
If he doesn't know about the zero-crossing preference, then he'll just make the same mistake when he tries out the demo because it will also default to snapping to the nearest audio zero-crossing.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/13 02:45:23
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Craig, forgive my ignorance, but doesn't that also toggle with "snap to grid"? I had assumed that setting only applied with snap to grid enabled.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/13 04:01:59
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Artdude
...What i'm referring to is very slight - like one or two 'bits', not 'bytes', being off after i move a clip...
I'm confused by this description.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/13 07:49:13
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John
I thank you for the link. I do think. I hold that I think rather deeply. Others may have a very different view.
This may or may not be of any consolation to you but, sometimes... I think so deeply I'm drowning in my own thoughts. 
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/13 07:59:06
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To those who say "use the DEMO, or TRIAL to see if an issue has been resolved or not", it is not a viable approach.
I have tested the Trials since Sonar 7 and each one in turn had their own set of bugs and issues completely separate from the full version. The build numbers for them are also different.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/13 08:09:29
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Well it appears you installed the X3 trial then? If so what exactly are the differences you have found? (specifically X3 trial please).
The current demo should have exactly the same issues and bugs as X3D. Of course there will be a different build number, I suspect Pro, Studio and base versions will have different build number as well as they are all different builds. Even if they didn't it should be exactly like X3D.
Regardless the OP is looking for a specific set of issues to be resolved, the chances of the demo being unable to demonstrate whether it is fixed (or not) is zero. We should not discourage using demo's but we should always encourage backups beforehand :).
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/13 08:15:08
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Artdude
If i come across a camcorder i'll post a vid of what i'm talking about. Since it's so slight in movement a screen capture app wouldn't grab it. Off to finished my tune..
? What screen capture app doesn't just capture exactly what's on screen? I'd have thought that if something's not showing in a screen capture, then it's not happening. That aside: It's worth remembering that at all but very high zoom levels, where the duration of a sample can be shown as greater than one pixel wide, the visual positioning of a clip is by necessity an approximation. What makes you certain that you actually have a problem?
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/13 12:35:50
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mettelus
Craig, forgive my ignorance, but doesn't that also toggle with "snap to grid"? I had assumed that setting only applied with snap to grid enabled.
Post #4 seemed to imply he had snap to grid enabled, but we're not getting much info to go on.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/13 17:45:13
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Artdude
If i come across a camcorder i'll post a vid of what i'm talking about. Since it's so slight in movement a screen capture app wouldn't grab it. Off to finished my tune..
Tim
go to screen capture.com and do a video, it will only help you clear up your problem. its very possible you are missing something, if you had a common problem that has been documented I would agree with you, but ive never heard of this man. screen capture has this thing called Zoom.(being totally serious) it will catch even the slightest movements. good luck
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/13 18:02:04
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The OP came back and confirmed snap to grid was off in post #9, so my assumption is zoom level, as John T also mentioned above. There are only so many pixels on the screen, so unless you are zoomed in close enough, a single pixel is representing an average, and potentially thousands of samples. As an aside, I was doing an experiment from the course I am taking, where a "single sample" was modified in Audactity (creating an audible click). The first thing I did after replicating his "demonstration" was open that in SONAR to look at the samples, and here is that screen shot (the rest of the experiment is immaterial to the OP). Edit: This is a 1kHz sine wave at 44.1kHz sampling rate. It took quite a while just to find the damn thing, but I did a lot of moving of that clip (in fact, it can easily be moved one sample at a time zoomed in this far).
post edited by mettelus - 2014/02/13 18:16:53
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