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Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if editing bug hasn't been fixed.
Hi, i'm a long time user of Sonar since v1 and, if i remember correctly, i've always been able to drag clips to the right or left in the track pane view and have them lay right where i drop them. In X2, CWalk never fixed this. You probably know what i'm talking about - the bug you encounter when you grab a clip and drag it, say a millimeter of an inch or so, and when you let go of the mouse button, the clip falls a little more to the right or left than you intended. So i've had to use the arrow keys for precision ever since X1. So my question is, before i give CWalk a $150 to fix all the bugs they didn't in X2, can someone here confirm they they've fixed this? Thanks guys.. Tim
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 05:37:53
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I haven't had that problem at all in any version. Also that isn't slip editing. Slip editing is rolling up one or the other end of a clip to trim it. It called that because its nondestructive.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 06:03:02
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2014/02/12 06:06:23
sounds like you have snap to grid enabled with the magnetic strength set incorrectly
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 06:24:30
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Oh yeah that's right, i forgot. I also read in another forum or two, elsewhere, where others were complaining about this - i guess there's nothing to call it except 'moving a clip' right or left. Ok, so in X1 and X2, when you clicked on a audio clip, for instance, and wanted to move it up a centimeter or two, you're saying that it always laid exactly where you placed it, the moment you let go of the mouse button?? Not only can i not do this on Win7 (or on my other OS - WinXP), but there's so many other little things that are just irritating with X2 and my daw's a typical 'Wintel' system honing to perfection. I've been doing this for a very long time so i'm pretty sure it's the app, not to mention all the threads posted about how screwy vX2 was and how that Cake didn't care to do a thing about it, except fix them all in X3 and not a X2 update. You didn't read of these things here last year?? Anyway, does anyone else know if all the bugs and whatnot have been remedied in X3 before i pay Cake for an X3 update?  Blessings..
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 06:27:33
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Hmmm, i'll check that Mike. Thanks.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 06:59:38
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Artdude
Oh yeah that's right, i forgot. I also read in another forum or two, elsewhere, where others were complaining about this - i guess there's nothing to call it except 'moving a clip' right or left. Ok, so in X1 and X2, when you clicked on a audio clip, for instance, and wanted to move it up a centimeter or two, you're saying that it always laid exactly where you placed it, the moment you let go of the mouse button??
Not only can i not do this on Win7 (or on my other OS - WinXP), but there's so many other little things that are just irritating with X2 and my daw's a typical 'Wintel' system honing to perfection. I've been doing this for a very long time so i'm pretty sure it's the app, not to mention all the threads posted about how screwy vX2 was and how that Cake didn't care to do a thing about it, except fix them all in X3 and not a X2 update. You didn't read of these things here last year??
Anyway, does anyone else know if all the bugs and whatnot have been remedied in X3 before i pay Cake for
an X3 update?
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I move tracks, that is, the audio on a track as well as clips and have never had a problem placing it exactly where I wanted it. Mudgle had the answer, I have snap to grid off. As far as "other bugs" I couldn't say because it would depend on which bugs you are asking about. For me there are no show stopper bugs in X3d. But all software has bugs X3 included. That said CW has done an outstanding job of getting rid of the bugs that caused instability. A lot of the complaints posted boil down to minor bugs or just good old fashion user error. There is no sin in failing to understand how X3 works but it can give others the wrong impression. Because people read a post that is complaining about a so called bug they may not study it deep enough to find it really isn't. Its a misunderstanding of how a feature works. When X1 came out we had a slew of posts claiming a lot of basic features were removed not to mention most of the more advanced ones. It was shown by me that that was simply untrue. Still even after I pointed out where CW had moved the feature people still were claiming features were missing. Because the only way to be sure that X3 is for you is to try it, I strongly suggest you get the trial of 3 and test it on your own system. If you run into problems we are here and able to help.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 07:47:52
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Why don't you install the demo?
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 08:03:11
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In X2, dragging and dropping a clip often failed to work properly (the clip landed on a completely different track). I haven't experienced that since upgrading to X3.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 08:10:25
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Snap to grid is already off. What i'm referring to is very slight - like one or two 'bits', not 'bytes', being off after i move a clip. I've been using the nudge feature with my arrows to compensate. I would have to upload a short video to explain what i'm talking about. Again it's only a few bits (there's 8 bits in a byte).
Yes, i'm already aware of everything your saying John. And thanks for trying to help out, but as i said, i've been working with Sonar since v1, teach music, daw setups, recording, have already released 2 CDs, etc, etc, what i'm referring to is an increase in complaints and bugs reports over and above that of the usual ones that appear, after each version which has been released via the past 13 incarnations of Sonar now.
I vividly remember last year or so when X3 came out, the complains of bugs, idiosyncrasies, etc, were greater than that which other incarnations of Sonar have incurred. That's what i meant. I know all software has bugs, i program some myself in object pascal. I'm referring to a increase in bug reports, etc, particularly with X2. Cake only released one freakin update (a), and many here complained about it, myself included, that Cake/Roland should tie up the loose ends - just as they've done on every other version they're released - and that we shouldn't have to pay for that.
Anyway, it's late where i live. I'm off to bed. It's not that big a deal. I was just wondering, to put it a different more simplistic way, has CW/Roland smoothed out, in X3, most of what didn't get ironed out in an expected "a, b, c, or d" build? It seems they have, if the love you guys have of it is any indication. I've used nothing else since v1 for all my projects. I may just upgrade yet :)
Anyway, thanks guys..
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 08:28:08
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upload a video, I have no idea what your talking about and have never heard of any such issue on this board or any other for that matter.
as mike said, snap is the only thing that what make a clip do this.
I work with a lot of audio, which isn't lined up to the grid at times, this means it has to be put precisely in place.
x1, x2 and now x3, cant say ive seen this.
you can always download a demo.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 08:43:35
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☄ Helpfulby dubdisciple 2014/02/12 16:32:21
Thats funny I got the exact opposite conclusion. X3 was greeted with a great deal of glee. It was even noted here how smooth the roll out was.
What you may be referring to could be postings on take lanes. Most of those turned out to be user error. And the ones that weren't were an inability to accept how things work.
Being very vocal on a subject may seem to the casual reader as evidence but in the end with careful reading it turns out its bogus or personal opinion meaning prejudice.
Now getting back to being able to move a clip accurately. Have you tried Aim Assist? Also it occurs to me that not all mice are precise in their movements. You may want to look at the resolution of your mouse.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 08:50:36
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I am curious to see what this is as well. Another helpful thing when moving clips is having the vertical grid lines displayed in front of the clips (in the Track View: View->Display->Vertical Grid Lines->In Front of Clips). Without seeing this issue, it is difficult to understand "exactly" what it is.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 09:05:48
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I hate that sonar chooses to use the term slip editing when everyone else does not. It confuses the crap out of people with video editing backhround where that term has completely different meaning.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 09:25:04
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JohnBeing very vocal on a subject may seem to the casual reader as evidence but in the end with careful reading it turns out its bogus or personal opinion meaning prejudice. such are the dangers of forums, and indeed life itself! it always amazes me how people remember things differently, so here's a link to help you separate the (well-meaning) hog-wash from the (well-meaning) hog-wash http://lifehacker.com/how-to-train-your-mind-to-think-critically-and-form-you-1516998286
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 09:33:32
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JohnBeing very vocal on a subject may seem to the casual reader as evidence but in the end with careful reading it turns out its bogus or personal opinion meaning prejudice. such are the dangers of forums, and indeed life itself! it always amazes me how people remember things differently, so here's a link to help you separate the (well-meaning) hog-wash from the (well-meaning) hog-wash http://lifehacker.com/how-to-train-your-mind-to-think-critically-and-form-you-1516998286
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 09:34:06
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x3d has been stable for me. not to say that i don't get the occasional crash or weird gui glitch. but nothing that keeps me from working. ctrl-s is my mantra...
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 09:50:13
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There were indeed problems in x2 with odd behavior when moving clips in take lanes. I in fact posted some video about this on this forum. Here it is again: http://www.nomadrecording...nes%20drag%20error.MOVThis particular issue was related to deleted take lanes. This seems to have been fixed i n x3. At least I have not observed it yet. To the op I suggest you download the demo and try it.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 11:21:22
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Snap to grid is already off. What i'm referring to is very slight - like one or two 'bits', not 'bytes', being off after i move a clip. I've been using the nudge feature with my arrows to compensate. I would have to upload a short video to explain what i'm talking about. Again it's only a few bits (there's 8 bits in a byte).
Do you have "snap to nearest audio zero crossing" enabled in Preferences? That's the default and produces the kind of behavior you're describing.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 14:53:42
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I vividly remember last year or so when X3 came out, the complains of bugs, idiosyncrasies, etc, were greater than that which other incarnations of Sonar have incurred. That's what i meant.
I don't think that is a correct assessment. First, there were lots of "this version is great" threads. Second, many of the complaints were due to unfamiliarity with the program, and were solved shortly after posting. For example people thought Take Lanes didn't work, because they didn't work as they had before. Once they figured out the different paradigm, most took to the concept. Also, many of the bugs that were actual bugs (either at Sonar's end or at the end of other products working with Sonar) were squashed with three rapid-fire updates.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 14:58:35
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Artdude
I vividly remember last year or so when X3 came out, the complains of bugs, idiosyncrasies, etc, were greater than that which other incarnations of Sonar have incurred. That's what i meant.
I don't think that is a correct assessment. First, there were lots of "this version is great" threads. Second, many of the complaints were due to unfamiliarity with the program, and were solved shortly after posting. For example people thought Take Lanes didn't work, because they didn't work as they had before. Once they figured out the different paradigm, most took to the concept.
Also, many of the bugs that were actual bugs (either at Sonar's end or at the end of other products working with Sonar) were squashed with three rapid-fire updates.
Exactly, that's why you need to form your own opinion (demo). (BTW there are still some really annoying flaws with takelanes which make it unintuitive and given it a slightly half baked smell, some of which still hasn't been directly addressed (rather sidestepped), but it has always been the way to go forward IMHO, it does work).
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 15:41:54
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(BTW there are still some really annoying flaws with takelanes which make it unintuitive and given it a slightly half baked smell, some of which still hasn't been directly addressed (rather sidestepped), but it has always been the way to go forward IMHO, it does work). Parens inside of parens. Gotta love ex-programmers.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 15:42:44
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Just to show that I can (occasionally) stay on topic. I too have never seen the OP's behavior.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 16:02:13
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Besides the reiteration of the demo being available, I can affirm that your assessment about X3's release is definitely wrong, and here is why... I pre-purchased X2, and had a bad install of X2 that made it totally unstable... since I was working 16 hour days, I kicked X2 to the curb quicker than last week's news and it took me 9 months to come back and resolve the issue. Even though stable from that point on, I did not pre-purchase X3 and waited an entire week before getting it, which was based on the user feedback here. If it had been bad, I wouldn't have X3... I was recently replicating an experiment from another DAW (moving a single sample in Audacity) and pulled that clip into SONAR to check it. I had zoomed all the way in to see samples and was sliding the clip one sample at a time, which is why a video of your issue would help us a lot. Something as simple as zoom level /mouse used factor into the resolution of moving a clip.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 16:37:23
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I think X3 got one of the better receptions of any Cakewalk release in the last 5-6 releases. No matter how good it is, there are always going to be negative voices. It could be endorsed by Jesus, Mohammed, Krishna and the flying spaghetti monster as perfect and someone would comment on how Thor prefers Cubase. It's just the law of forums.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 16:40:05
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And here I thought Thor liked Reaper. WTH do I know?
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
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☄ Helpfulby bapu 2014/02/12 16:44:41
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And here I thought Thor liked Reaper. WTH do I know?
No, Thor liked winamp because of the lighting logo! It's logical to think he would jump on Reaper but he shocked the world by going all Germanic with Steinberg!
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 17:43:03
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First post since joining the forum. What in the world is this guy talking about? I have used arrow keys to nudge but not in a long long time. pretty much snap to is all you need. I have been using cakewalk since I ran windows 3.1 20 years ago. X3 is by far the best "sonar" version and I don't know why it doesn't get more press? Been hammering away with the producer version for many months , got it crash once. There is no audio placement nudge bug thing that I have encountered, not to say its not possible.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 17:51:31
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WOW... that is a first... someone joins the forum to chime in to defend SONAR...
How do we know you are "legit"??? (KIDDING!)
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
2014/02/12 17:53:39
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> How do we know you are "legit"???
You can email him clearly... ;) Eric hope that isn't you actual email address (for you username) otherwise expect a lot of junk mail coming your way (sorry) for spam harvesters.
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Re: Want to upgrade to X3 but NO GO if the slip editing bug hasn't been fixed.
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WOW... that is a first... someone joins the forum to chime in to defend SONAR...
How do we know you are "legit"??? (KIDDING!)
I was thinking the same thing. I can't recall someone posting as their first post such a nice defense of Sonar. Then again X3 deserves it.
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