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2013/09/29 20:49:38 (permalink)

Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving??

Hi,
 
I just installed Sonar X3, its great! But when using Waves plugins like C1, Desser..L1, L2  as VST3, once I save the project and reopen it, all my plugin settings are reset to default. Even if I start a new project directly in X3, it fails.
 
Sometimes it remembers some plugs settings, but C1 always gets reset, I was happy to use it for sidechaining...but right now its not working for me!
 
I reinstalled waves and still the same, also projects from X2 they open waves plugins as default settings.
 
Can anyone confirm if this is a bug? anyone with waves 9.2 can use them as VST3 and can reopen with all the settings correct after saving?
 
Just try it on a new empty Project with the C1 compresor as VST3..
 
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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/09/29 21:50:42 (permalink)
I really hope they have put paid to all of the funkiness with Waves plugs in Sonar, because I have a recurring problem with X2 resetting my Waves settings when loading a project, and that's the VST2 versions. 

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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/09/29 22:00:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Del 2013/09/30 09:37:58
Yes I can repro this. I'm sorry to say that this is a problem. It broke pretty recently as a result of a change for ARA support which is why it was not detected. We'll fix it as soon as possible. sorry about this problem.

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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/09/29 22:12:37 (permalink)
Can't say fairer than that! Well at least when I upgrade I know to avoid the VST3 Waves until the fix. 

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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/09/30 08:39:05 (permalink)
Thanks for your answer Noel, I hope it gets solved soon :)
 
I just tried using the waves plugs in "vst2 mode" and the GUI is totally messed up,  its unuseable :(
 
Right now, waves plugins also dont work in vst2. They work in X2 but without the vst3 enhacements.
 
Perhaps would be interesting to advice this problem...people can loose a lot of time mixing and later opening the project not knowing that all their waves settings are reset to default and all their time work is lost.
 
 
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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/09/30 08:53:30 (permalink)
I'm not seeing any issues with Waves VST2 plugins so you will need to be more specific and log an issue.
Which version of waves, X64 or X86 etc. I loaded C4 and saved and loaded a project and the parameters and UI were fine.

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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/09/30 09:23:07 (permalink)
Same here. I just realized it. I also had two chrashes when inserting  Waves plugs into the FX bin. (i'll stay away from waves for know...)
Other than that, no issues. Only positve surprises with X3 so far.
BTW, the VST3 folder doesn't show in the browser but the plugins are available right-clicking the in the FX bin.
 
 

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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/09/30 10:07:19 (permalink)
Hi Noel,
 
With the vst 2 waves , I was working with Sonar X3 64bit with Waves 64bit, and got all the GUI problem. I didnt install X3 32 bit so I dont know if it happens on 32bit too.
 
Sometimes the GUI opens fine, but once you start moving faders from the plug in.. it starts doing weird things on the faders etc.
 
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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/09/30 10:11:02 (permalink)
I'm on X3 Producer 64 bit, and my Waves Renaissance Comp (VST3) also resets.
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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/09/30 10:42:24 (permalink)
Do waves 64bit work as vst2 without graphics problems in sonar X3 64??
 
If someone could try it would be nice to know it, sometimes they open good but as soon you start moving settings the graphics starts doing weird things.
 
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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/09/30 12:09:18 (permalink)
Ok, after doing more tests I found that to work with waves as vst 2, I must uncheck the option "replace vst2 plugins whrn opening projects" (on the VST 3 migration options).
 
Then the GUI is working perfectly in vst 2
 
Also, "vengeance VPS multiband sidechain VST3" plug in, resets to default settings after saving and reopening the Project!
 
I dont have more vs3 plugins, its posible that all vst3 plugins reset their settings after saving...
 
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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/09/30 12:57:03 (permalink)
You shouldn't need to do this. The GUI problems were fixed in the latest release from Waves so make sure you are running the latest versions. We have been running Waves for months (both VST2 and VST3 versions) with no graphical issues. You might need to talk to waves support to resolve it if you have a different problem.
 
The lost parameter issue is indeed our bug and it will be fixed ASAP. 

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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/09/30 13:31:34 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby yevster 2013/09/30 13:36:46
One thing Waves users will need to be careful of is having projects with both VST2's and VST3s in the same project. This is not supported by Waves and is a common issue with other DAWs that support both VST2 and VST3. The common symptom of the both being in a project at the same time is that some Waves GUIs will not display properly. This is why we default X3 to replace VST2's with a compatible VST3. If you are seeing graphical glitches with Waves plug-ins in a project it's possible that there are both VST2's and VST3's in the same project. Due to the automatic replace, it can be easy to not realize that they have been upgraded. A quick way to check if a plug-in is VST2 or VST3 is to look if the new "Host Bypass" button is available. Selecting the VST drop down on the plug-in window and clicking "Plug-in Properties" displays the VST plug-in scan location. If this say it's scanned from Program Files\Common Files\VST3 than it is a VST3 version.

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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/09/30 13:33:54 (permalink)
Thanks Noel, I found that the grapic issue on waves vst2 plugin only appears if there is the same waves plugin on another track as vst3
 
For example, just insert a C1 as vst3 on track 1, then instert another C1 as vst2 on track 2 and you will see a blank GUI or weird things when moving settings on the vst2 plugin.
 
Can you reproduce it? It seems it gets messed up when you have both vst2 and vst3 versions of the same plugin in the same project.
 
Thanks for your time :)
 
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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/09/30 13:36:11 (permalink)
ooops, Lancey, we wrote it at the same time ;)
 
 
 
 

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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/09/30 13:43:08 (permalink)
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Thanks Noel, I found that the grapic issue on waves vst2 plugin only appears if there is the same waves plugin on another track as vst3
 
For example, just insert a C1 as vst3 on track 1, then instert another C1 as vst2 on track 2 and you will see a blank GUI or weird things when moving settings on the vst2 plugin.
 
Can you reproduce it? It seems it gets messed up when you have both vst2 and vst3 versions of the same plugin in the same project.
 
Thanks for your time :)
 
Daniel

 
Hi Daniel,
 
That is a known limitation of the Waves plugins. You cannot mix and match Waves VST2 and VST3 plugins in the same project. 
That is one reason why we default to hiding VST2 plugins when the VST3 version is available.
If you need more Waves specific details about that issue you may get more info from Waves. This is what they told us however.

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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/09/30 13:55:41 (permalink)
Thanks Noel
 
Once we got VST3 fixed,  there will be no need to use VST2 anymore :)
 
Sonar X3 activated by default the VST3 migration options....perhaps would be interesting to advice that vst3 waves plugs are not working at the moment
 
If someone opens a project in X3 and saves it...they will loose all the waves plugin settings from their project...
 
 
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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/09/30 15:00:21 (permalink)
Actually saving is not the problem. Its when you load back that the values are reset. The bug is already fixed.
Most likely you will get this fix in the update that goes out at the end of this week so it won't be a long wait.

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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/09/30 18:27:32 (permalink)
That sounds good Noel!
 
Thanks

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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/10/01 15:06:38 (permalink)
I just want to make sure I understand this correctly.  I'm pretty sure I read this entire thread, and understood most of it, but I'm still a little unclear what the actual bug is.  My plugins are resetting as well, so I understand that part, but for the time being, is the solution to ONLY use VST2 plugins, and don't use ANY VST3 plugins, until the patch is released later this week?  Or is it ok to use VST3 plugins, but just not Waves VST3 specifically? 
 
I have some multitrack drums that I've been mixing for a while in X2, and I don't want to screw something up.  I already turned off the "Replace VST2 with VST3" option or whatever, and I THINK that my tracks with Waves VST2 stuff are working, as far as I can tell.  But I just don't want to screw anything else up on tracks I've spent weeks working on, by suddenly losing all of my progress.
 
So... My question is basically... "The temporary solution is to just NOT use Waves VST3 stuff until the patch later this week... correct?"  Or is there more to it than that?  I just want to make sure I understand WHAT this patch will be fixing (in regards to this specific problem)  Thanks in advance for any clarification you can give me.
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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/10/01 15:35:11 (permalink)
I would say, dont use any vst3 until the new patch, if you use the vst2 versión from waves it shouldn´t be any problem.
 
 
 
 

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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/10/01 16:28:30 (permalink)
Is this problem only with Waves vst2 AND waves vst3 effects in the same project or is it more general to include waves vst3 and any other manufactorers vst2s?  Sorry to ask, but wanted to find out if it happens when Waves vsts3 are mixed with other vst 2s.
 
I know it will be fixed, just curious.




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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/10/01 16:34:45 (permalink)
Well...anyway you cant use waves vst3 because they just loose their settings once you save and reopen the Project.
 
I dont know if happens with all vst3 plugs...I would suggest to stay away from vst3 until the patch.

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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/10/01 19:13:03 (permalink)
The bug has been fixed and seems to affect only some VST3 plugins which is probably why it wasn't noticed earlier (it broke very recently). The fix should be available later this week if all goes well with testing. The settings are saved OK while you are in the session but when you reload it some parameters get reset to defaults. 

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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2013/10/11 17:29:33 (permalink)
 worked on a mix all night yesterday to find all my settings gone.  Now I find out about x3b addressing this issue!  I just bought x3 and the download was for x3a.  I hope when I install the patch it remembers my settings!!!!
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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2017/04/25 15:19:26 (permalink)
I know this is an old thread, but I am experiencing this issues now. I am using the latest SPLAT and Waves builds.
Noticed with Desser, Maxvolume, C4, Maxxbass.
 
Not just Waves either, some Fabfilter plugs as well (for sure the Pro-DS off the top of my head)
 
It MAY have something to do with the Upsample settings?

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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2017/04/25 17:22:59 (permalink)
It also seems to be resetting the Drum Replacer settings as well

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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2017/09/27 18:12:39 (permalink)
Bump, this is still an issue

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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2017/10/04 21:39:21 (permalink)
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Bump, this is still an issue



I'm glad someone is bumping this. I am having huge problems with Waves plugins having their controls reset. It's mainly the SSL-Channel and Q10. I'm really frustrated about it because it's completely destroyed hours of work getting EQ sounding just right. I load the project later and things sound awful. Open the Waves plugins to find many of my EQ settings have been hosed. 
 
This plugin resetting business is quite possibly one of the most frustrating things I have found in Sonar. It's been happening to me for as long as I've used the program. It used to be Native Instruments plugins as well, but they seemed to have fixed that issue. And at one time I was even opening projects to find all instances of the Quadcurve EQ in the ProChannel messed up with crazy EQ boosts or cuts of 16dB in the same frequencies. If you can't rely on your mix settings being saved with the project then the DAW is functionally useless. We really need to get to the bottom of this. I would even advise Waves users who are thinking of buying Sonar to hold off until it's fixed. Let's start reporting this issue again. 

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Re: Waves 9.2 VST3 plugins resetting to default settings after saving?? 2017/10/04 22:22:31 (permalink)
I am not convinced this applies only to waves either. It vseems to be a general VST issue.  I have had several projects where synth patches have been lost, particularly after archiving then restoring tracks. 
 
Its a tricky one though. I am yet to reproduce it consistantly. 

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