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Re: Waves ADT - apparently now shipping
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Re: Waves ADT - apparently now shipping
2014/03/14 09:34:08
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I liked it and bought it. I also bout SoundToys Microshift on an earlier sale and compared them. While the do similar things, they give different results. I like them both. I am mixing a cover of Jefferson Airplane's White Rabbit, and the ADT was able to give me a subtle psychedelic quality to the voice on one of the settings that sounded great and couldn't be reproduced on the Microshift. I look forward to playing with them both more on guitars. PS: I do like pretty GUIs, and I do believe they make things sound better. 
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Re: Waves ADT - apparently now shipping
2014/03/14 11:59:01
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Oh I'm on the twelve step program as far as pretty GUIs is concerned. I'm a true sucker for em as well.
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Re: Waves ADT - apparently now shipping
2014/03/14 16:39:03
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Have either of you done a head-to-head comparison with the free one from vacuumsound? I wasn't impressed with that one and long ago deleted it, although I never tried it on anything other than vocals. How about Waves Doubler? Yeh, I know, Doubler doesn't have a random LFO option. I'm just not sure that makes much difference. So far Doubler has been pretty useless to me, but I keep trying to find an application for it. I would normally have blown ADT off as another useless gimmick, except for the mention in the Wikipedia article about ADT being used on the Hammond in Let it Be. That's such a great effect. I can get pretty close to it using conventional chorus plugins, but have never really nailed it.
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Re: Waves ADT - apparently now shipping
2014/03/14 17:45:55
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Hi Bit,
I never tried the free one. I do have Waves doubler and to be honest, it confused me when I went to use it on a project and I never dug deeper into it. I may have overlooked a perfectly good solution, but I tried the demo of Microshift and was hooked. I heard it referenced in a mixing video on You Tube and I REALLY wish I still had that link. The engineer was talking about using that and bx_Saturator for metal guitars and I bought that too (and it is really awesome).
I seem to have an affinity for these Waves Abby Roads plugins and when I read the ADT stuff and saw the pretty GUI I just had to try it. A few minutes playing with a vocal and I was sold. I haven't even tried the manual settings - just used the presets and was blown away (and things MOVE in it, you know it sounds better when there are animations of physical objects, like tape reels and such :)).
So, perhaps not the soundest decision to skip the Doubler even though I have it or not look at the free one (too damn ugly, I am shallow), but I really do like the Microshift and the ADT a lot. They make me all warm and gooey inside. :)
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Re: Waves ADT - apparently now shipping
2014/03/14 18:54:25
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ADT has been useful on many instrument, vocal and even percussion tracks for many engineers and producers during the "tape era"...and even into the digital age by old schoolers. It's not just a vocal double tracker by any means...but it can handle that quite well. If this plug can match the actual analogue effects it should be winner.
At least I hope so...I just ordered it.
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Re: Waves ADT - apparently now shipping
2014/03/14 19:10:38
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Dern yer Hyde myolpal, now what's a po boy like me to do?
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Re: Waves ADT - apparently now shipping
2014/03/14 19:18:15
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Re: Waves ADT - apparently now shipping
2014/03/15 13:00:53
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Welp... I tried it this morning on some vocals...standard doubling stuff...natch, tres fab. Then for a larf I put it on a funked up sexy horn section in a Donny Fagen kinda thing of mine I'm working on now. Creamy, fat and pretty dang delicious. Next up...guitars. So far...soooo good. Me likey.
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Re: Waves ADT - apparently now shipping
2014/03/15 13:15:52
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Yer makin' me whip out the plastic myolpal
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Re: Waves ADT - apparently now shipping
2014/03/15 13:16:09
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yorolpal
ADT has been useful on many instrument, vocal and even percussion tracks for many engineers and producers during the "tape era"...and even into the digital age by old schoolers. It's not just a vocal double tracker by any means...but it can handle that quite well. If this plug can match the actual analogue effects it should be winner.
At least I hope so...I just ordered it.
lol i love how you try to convice yoursdelf you need it ahah ;) ....i usually do the same .....:( ....;)
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Re: Waves ADT - apparently now shipping
2014/03/15 19:20:27
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Re: Waves ADT - apparently now shipping
2014/03/15 19:26:31
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Yup...most all of Stillwell's stuff is dandy.
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Re: Waves ADT Now Shipping
2014/03/16 15:51:25
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Ok, I'm going to sound stupid here. I bought the ADT and it doesn't seem to work like it does in the in dept tutorial video. The stereo and the stereo v2 versions seem to work fine on stereo tracks as I guess expected but I cannot get the mono to stereo versions to work. I put it on a mono track and cannot get to separation left or right effect like it does in the video. The image is just centered with the phasing, flanging etc. As an example I put mono to stereo on a mono guitar track and selct the preset 2 guitars is better than 1. It's still mono, no left right stuff happening. Am I not using it correctly? I appreciate any help.
post edited by Mosvalve - 2014/03/16 15:53:07
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Re: Waves ADT Now Shipping
2014/03/16 16:29:29
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Make sure to change your track interleave to stereo.
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Re: Waves ADT Now Shipping
2014/03/16 16:55:54
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I had to remove my mono plugs first then change the interleave. Inserted the plugin but still no sound on the right side, only left side. I muted the SRC and panned the ADT all the way right, no sound. Even panning the SRC all the way right no sound. The needle moves but no sound. Dunno. 
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Re: Waves ADT Now Shipping
2014/03/16 19:22:42
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Hmmm...the vocal I was working on was mono and I was using the mono to stereo version but didn't see (or hear) that happening. I'll check tomorrow when I'm back at the studio.
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Re: Waves ADT Now Shipping
2014/03/16 20:21:30
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Much appreciated Yorolpal
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Re: Waves ADT Now Shipping
2014/03/17 20:25:03
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I sent an email to Waves support regarding this and this is what I was Told.
Mono->Stereo should be used on Stereo tracks with Mono input / Mono audio file. (which means the input of the effect is Mono.. while the output is Stereo - you can pan left or right)
I don't understand how you have a stereo track with a mono input and mono audio file.
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Re: Waves ADT Now Shipping
2014/03/17 20:38:38
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Mosvalve
I don't understand how you have a stereo track with a mono input and mono audio file.
In SONAR speak that seems to me to mean a mono (recorded) track that then is changed to stereo interleave. But I'm a novice. What do I know?
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Re: Waves ADT Now Shipping
2014/03/17 20:56:03
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Thanks BAPU. I did change the interleave on a mono track to stereo but the plug did not work as described. There may be something wrong somewhere in Sonar then. I even created a new project and recorded a mono track and changed it to stereo interleave. I don't know what's going on. Apparently the plugin is not splitting the signal.
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Re: Waves ADT Now Shipping
2014/03/17 21:22:05
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Sorry...my day got turned upside down...I'll try again tomorrow.
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Re: Waves ADT Now Shipping
2014/03/17 21:34:40
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No problem yorolpal, I appreciate you checking.
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Re: Waves ADT Now Shipping
2014/03/18 15:22:39
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OK, here's what I found out. If you use the mono to stereo version on a mono vocal...it doesn't matter what you have the interleave set to...the source and adt pan knobs seem to function as simple "gain" or "amount" knobs and NOT pan knobs. All the way counterclockwise is all signal and all the way clockwise is no signal at all. Weird. If, however you instantiate the stereo version on a mono vocal and change the track interleave to stereo...it operates as per expected as pan knobs. If you use either the mono or mono to stereo versions you certainly get the effect but it's just a blend of the source and the adt with no seeming way to pan the two. WAVES may have to step in and explain a little better about this. And, as always, it's quite possible I was doing something wrong. But I don't think so. Hope this helps. PS: Just tried the same sort of thing with my brainworx stereomaker plug. Unless I switch the track interleave to stereo it behaves exactly like the ADT...BUT...if I switch the track interleave to stereo the it behaves as the ADT is SUPPOSED to. Must be something between X3(e) and the plug not communicating right. Or, again, I'm doing something wrong.
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Re: Waves ADT Now Shipping
2014/03/18 15:58:07
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any words on the cpu hit guyz ?
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Re: Waves ADT Now Shipping
2014/03/18 17:44:07
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#Zo: The CPU is noticeable but not prohibitive. I instantiated 8 stereo instances of ADT, checked the CPU hit, deleted them and then, one at a time, did the same to a range of other plugs. ADT used more than most.
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Re: Waves ADT Now Shipping
2014/03/18 18:13:07
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yorolpal
OK, here's what I found out. If you use the mono to stereo version on a mono vocal...it doesn't matter what you have the interleave set to...the source and adt pan knobs seem to function as simple "gain" or "amount" knobs and NOT pan knobs. All the way counterclockwise is all signal and all the way clockwise is no signal at all. Weird. If, however you instantiate the stereo version on a mono vocal and change the track interleave to stereo...it operates as per expected as pan knobs. If you use either the mono or mono to stereo versions you certainly get the effect but it's just a blend of the source and the adt with no seeming way to pan the two. WAVES may have to step in and explain a little better about this. And, as always, it's quite possible I was doing something wrong. But I don't think so. Hope this helps.
PS: Just tried the same sort of thing with my brainworx stereomaker plug. Unless I switch the track interleave to stereo it behaves exactly like the ADT...BUT...if I switch the track interleave to stereo the it behaves as the ADT is SUPPOSED to. Must be something between X3(e) and the plug not communicating right. Or, again, I'm doing something wrong.
Thanks for confirming this yorolpal. I thought I was crazy for a minute there.
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Re: Waves ADT Now Shipping
2014/03/18 18:38:33
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I just received another response from Waves. See below.
Because of the specific mixer architecture in Sonar, It appears there is actually no use for the Mono->Stereo component under Sonar.
If you need a Mono to Stereo effect under Sonar, load the Stereo component on a track with a Mono audio file playing.
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Re: Waves ADT Now Shipping
2014/03/18 18:51:12
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I wonder if changing to a new pan law setting would do anything at all? Also wonder what the odd "mixer architecture" is in Sonar that precludes this from working. Suppose we'll have to ask upstairs...ugh.
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Re: Waves ADT Now Shipping
2014/03/18 19:08:26
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I've been testing it and found that it has to be the first plug inserted on the track to work. If there is a mono plug on the track already it won't work. At least for me it won't. Also any other plug used has to be stereo but I'm sure you knew that. I'm real curious to as to the mixer architecture. How different could it be compared to other DAW's?
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