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Weird problem in 8.5
Every time I open a relatively new project I get a pop-up that states "Transients are in the process of being generated...playback may be different until process is complete."
The project wil play fine for a few plays, then it gets totally garbled and distorted. This project uses Kontakt, Perfect Space, Pentagon, and Rapture.
Any thoughts?
Vernon
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 16:56:15
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I would use Save as... and experiment with that project removing one thing at a time to see what the problem is.
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 19:03:50
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I get the same thing and it does not cause me any problems but I also wonder... part of a bug with the new audiosnap?
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 19:18:28
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Every time I open a relatively new project I get a pop-up that states "Transients are in the process of being generated...playback may be different until process is complete You enabled audio snap. Its normal and it means that when you open your project, audio snap is calculating the transients. There is no problem.. Cj
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 19:20:44
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Its not a bug. Its the way audio snasp is coded in the new version of sonar
Cj
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 19:46:28
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Why is audio snap use in a MIDI project?
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 19:57:51
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John
Why is audio snap use in a MIDI project?
Is it all midi??? He just listed the VST and VSTi's he's using. That doesnt mean he doesnt have any audio files. I use VSt and VSTi in projects with audio files. so can he. Cj
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 20:10:44
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So why list those things when they have nothing to do with anything?
What I am not getting is is there an audio track using audio snap or not?
His post is unclear to me. If on the other hand he has audio tracks generated from MIDI, well you see where this is going.
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 20:23:35
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I've only seen the "Transients..." msg displayed when AS was enabled, and that's normal, but there seems to be something else going on, since Vernon goes on to say: The project wil play fine for a few plays, then it gets totally garbled and distorted. This project uses Kontakt, Perfect Space, Pentagon, and Rapture. I guess we'll have to wait for him to post back with more info. -Susan
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 20:30:52
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So why list those things when they have nothing to do with anything? Cause he felt like it. Do you really think posters list everything in there project John?? LOL Who knows.. But i do know that when audio snap is enabled your project will say "Transients are in the process of being generated" And his horrible playback is caused by sound card driver issues or he has audio snap enabled on a project and the transients are messing up the audio. Cj
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 20:33:11
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You've got four Synths active with different settings? And Audio Snap enabled? And when you open the project Audio Snap tries to calculate all those variances? You should only use Audio Snap on tracks you have bounced that don't have active synths working.
Here comes the debate.
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 20:41:18
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It seems likely that he enabled Audio Snap inadvertently, since he didn't mention it and apparently hasn't seen that message before. More info, please!
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 20:53:08
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Cause he felt like it. Do you really think posters list everything in there project John?? LOL Who knows.. But i do know that when audio snap is enabled your project will say "Transients are in the process of being generated" Right. I am not questioning your answer. It has to be the accurate one. I question the question. Why is audio snap used here? Crg I can't see a use for audio snap for any audio generated by MIDI. If one is having timing issues fix it in the MIDI track. Susan is thinking along the lines I am I think.
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 20:57:04
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Doesn't that message also appear when you clear your picture folder? Is there a setting to clear it on startup?
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 20:57:22
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I question the question Why would you. He asked a question. a valid one. just answer it...  Or if you dont want ot, move on.. Cj
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 21:19:36
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Hi John-
Doesn't that message also appear when you clear your picture folder? Is there a setting to clear it on startup?
A) Not if I don't have AS enabled for the project I load, and B) Not that I know of. You can clear out the folder manually or increase the size by changing the PicCacheMB= setting in AUD.INI -Susan
post edited by Susan G - 2010/04/02 21:25:49
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 21:47:02
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Sorry for the confusion... I upgraded to 8.5 last week and this is a new popup message I haven't seen before. A search for transients wasn't helpful. I do have a couple of audio tracks and I was playing with audiosnap. However, I thought I had disabled it. I am unfamiliar with what synth/effect etc. create transients, that is why I listed the synths. If it is audiosnap, how can I be sure it is disabled? Thanks, Vernon
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 21:53:59
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quibb
Every time I open a relatively new project I get a pop-up that states "Transients are in the process of being generated...playback may be different until process is complete."
The project wil play fine for a few plays, then it gets totally garbled and distorted. This project uses Kontakt, Perfect Space, Pentagon, and Rapture.
Any thoughts?
Vernon
Hopefully you've updated to 8.5.3. That being said, that message is related to Audio Snap as the other responses point out. IF you are NOT using AS in your project(s), close Sonar. Go to your "pic cache" folder and delete the files in there (they will be rebuilt when needed).
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 22:01:22
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CJaysMusic
I question the question
Why would you. He asked a question. a valid one. just answer it... Or if you dont want ot, move on..
Cj
Because it made no sense to me in the context of his post. And now it looks like Susan was right on this one.
Sorry for the confusion...
I upgraded to 8.5 last week and this is a new popup message I haven't seen before. A search for transients wasn't helpful.
I do have a couple of audio tracks and I was playing with audiosnap. However, I thought I had disabled it.
I am unfamiliar with what synth/effect etc. create transients, that is why I listed the synths. If it is audiosnap, how can I be sure it is disabled?
Thanks,
Vernon
This explains it all.
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 22:20:57
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Because it made no sense to me in the context of his post. And now it looks like Susan was right on this one. I was saying it was audio snap in my first post, way before susan posted!!! . Are you in love with susan?? LOL Cj
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 22:41:37
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CJ did you get what I was saying? I said you were right about it being an audio snap alert. I was questioning the need for it in the project in question. That is all.
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 22:54:32
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I was questioning the need for it in the project in question There was no need for it. He enabled audio snap it by mistake, hence his post. Your questioning why he has audio snap and he didn't even know he had it...I dont get your issue here or your argument.. Your making something out of nothing. Its like saying what was the need for wearing the green shirt when the guy who got dressed was blind. he didn't know he had a green shirt on
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 23:11:33
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I was questioning the need for it in the project in question There was no need for it. He enabled audio snap it by mistake, hence his post. Your questioning why he has audio snap and he didn't even know he had it...I dont get your issue here or your argument.. Your making something out of nothing. Its like saying what was the need for wearing the green shirt when the guy who got dressed was blind. he didn't know he had a green shirt on None of that was apparent until I asked at least to me. Maybe you are a mind reader too.
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 23:13:52
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None of that was apparent until I asked at least to me. Maybe you are a mind reader too. no, i juts read his post and made an educated guess instead of asking why. Who cares why!!! He asked a question and i answered it. Why keep on asking why when there is no why. Thats why he had a problem. He didnt know about audio snap. Cj
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 23:21:55
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ba_midi
Hopefully you've updated to 8.5.3. That being said, that message is related to Audio Snap as the other responses point out. IF you are NOT using AS in your project(s), close Sonar. Go to your "pic cache" folder and delete the files in there (they will be rebuilt when needed).
Thanks Billy, that's exactly what I was looking for. I am updated to 8.5.3. l really haven't gotten my head around the intracacies of audiosnap yet. I learned something new today. I gotta say, 8.5 is amazing - and I only upgraded from v7PE. Every time I dig deeper, it goes deeper still. I don't need any of my outboard gear anymore... (anybody want a D50?  ) V
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 23:31:06
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quibb
ba_midi
Hopefully you've updated to 8.5.3. That being said, that message is related to Audio Snap as the other responses point out. IF you are NOT using AS in your project(s), close Sonar. Go to your "pic cache" folder and delete the files in there (they will be rebuilt when needed).
Thanks Billy, that's exactly what I was looking for. I am updated to 8.5.3.
l really haven't gotten my head around the intracacies of audiosnap yet. I learned something new today.
I gotta say, 8.5 is amazing - and I only upgraded from v7PE. Every time I dig deeper, it goes deeper still. I don't need any of my outboard gear anymore... (anybody want a D50?)
V
Well V, yep - I know what ya mean. I've been using Sonar since version 2XL. And, while we all have some bugs we'd like to see fixed - Sonar 8.5.3 has been amazingly stable (for me and many others). I throw the kitchen sink at it too. Tons of heavy plugins/fx/etc, and I haven't had a 'serious' crash in a long time. Bugs, a few. but that's to be expected. However, I can work for hours/days and 8.5.3 sticks with me. As you say - the deeper you dig - the deeper it goes. Enjoy.
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/02 23:41:34
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CJaysMusic
None of that was apparent until I asked at least to me. Maybe you are a mind reader too.
no, i juts read his post and made an educated guess instead of asking why. Who cares why!!! He asked a question and i answered it. Why keep on asking why when there is no why. Thats why he had a problem. He didnt know about audio snap.
Cj
No I asked once you are the one that keeps asking me why I asked. Good grief. I don't like to guess either. But why I asked is I thought the OP might be using it to fix timing problems with his MIDI. If so I was going to explain it wasn't needed for that. Is that clear enough for you?
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/04 01:57:07
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Susan G
Hi John-
Doesn't that message also appear when you clear your picture folder? Is there a setting to clear it on startup?
A) Not if I don't have AS enabled for the project I load, and B) Not that I know of. You can clear out the folder manually or increase the size by changing the PicCacheMB= setting in AUD.INI
-Susan
Actually i have seen this message when I emptied the Picture cache and there is not one instance of audiosnap enabled.
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/04 07:08:56
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Susan G
Hi John-
Doesn't that message also appear when you clear your picture folder? Is there a setting to clear it on startup?
A) Not if I don't have AS enabled for the project I load, and B) Not that I know of. You can clear out the folder manually or increase the size by changing the PicCacheMB= setting in AUD.INI
-Susan
Actually i have seen this message when I emptied the Picture cache and there is not one instance of audiosnap enabled.
Have you updated to 8.5.3? There were specific AS bugs fixed in 8.5.3. If you did, sorry I msised that info.
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Re:Weird problem in 8.5
2010/04/04 23:06:25
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Yes I have updated to 8.5.3, but I am currently using 8.0.2 for projects. 8.5.3 doesn't like something about our system and we have had constant dropouts and crashes, so i just avoid it and use 8.0.2. thanks.
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