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Re:What Are Your First 8 Tracks?
2012/06/17 18:02:20
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A1, you build projects to suit what your work flow is going to be. Who's going first? = first number of tracks needed. Who's going second, etc. Or you can build a project any way you want and use those parts as you need. Total # of parts needed= project. Workflow and timeline are variable and you should allow for the "variances" that the artists will throw at you. Be flexible, it's all mixing down to two at the end.
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dubdisciple
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Re:What Are Your First 8 Tracks?
2012/06/17 21:59:59
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It depends on the purpose. For music , typically I'm going to have at least 8 channels of drums alone and that is usually in my first 8 channels. For video production, I usually am working with a premade music bed, whether it is my own or stock music, voices (however many channels necessary) and then sound effects
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Re:What Are Your First 8 Tracks?
2012/06/18 05:49:43
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I don't know if this would work very well or not, but one idea would be to arrange tracks in order of frequency content and where they are supposed to 'sit' in the mix. For example: Tamborine Acoustic Guitar Cymbals Piano Vocals Backup Vocals Snare Guitar Kick Bass Might help in mixing and reminding you where you want everything to sit in your mix so things don't clash. But then again, having the drums split up like that could just be annoying!
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Re:What Are Your First 8 Tracks?
2012/06/18 08:35:27
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It's amazing to me how many people here are splitting the drums into multiple tracks. (yeah I know the advantages of doing it that way) for me, many of my projects are around 8 tracks and a few go to 10 or 12. I put all the drums into one track since they are pretty balanced in the synth that creates them....and I don't obsess over the individual sounds in the kit. so..... my track line up is generally something like this: 1 Drums 2 Bass 3 Acoustic Guitar right 4 Acoustic guitar left 5 lead guitar 6 piano 7 B3 8 vox obviously if there are more tracks in the project I continue from there, but I would say those would be the essential tracks that are present in most all my projects. several harmony vocal tracks several guitar tracks fiddle, steel, banjo, dobro tracks whatever else is needed to get the job done.
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Re:What Are Your First 8 Tracks?
2012/06/18 10:02:32
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@A1MIXMAN (OP), I should clarify that what tracks I do first are not the same as what I see on tracks 1-8 when mixing. I lay down the rhythm section first to define the feel and provide the song structure; however, when mixing, I prefer to move tracks so that the vocals (lead and harmonies) are first followed by rhythm section, then lead lines, then strings or orchestration, then sound effects, etc. This is not a hard and fast rule, but my console shows tracks in blocks of 8 and I don't want to scroll 4-5 times to get to the most critical instruments. @Guitarhacker, Whatever works for you—I know you do good stuff. Personally, it is really hard for me to know where to set the individual drum levels (particularly kick) until I hear the drums in the context of the mix. Keep in mind, though, that the music I write and record is closer to Penny Lane than to Proud Mary so the mixes can be a real pain. I do have one spooky narration song though that, despite all the instruments, string lines, and sound effects, began with a drum feel created on a single track with a Kurzweil PC2R—so it all depends, I guess. I later separated and replaced all the drums, but am not sure it really made the track any better. More info than you need, but fans of The Mighty Konrad study this stuff.
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Re:What Are Your First 8 Tracks?
2012/06/18 10:53:01
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I've got a little over 100 tracks currently in my template. --Cinesamples Room Sound 1: August Forster piano 2: VSL Harp 3: CS2 1st Violins 4: CS2 2nd Violins 5: CS2 Violas 6: CS2 Cellos 7: CS2 Basses 8: VSL 1st Violins Portamento
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Re:What Are Your First 8 Tracks?
2012/06/18 11:19:51
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Okay, how does one separate lines of text on this forum?
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Re:What Are Your First 8 Tracks?
2012/06/18 11:21:42
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For a live band I will start out with the first 8 tracks recording drums in the typical fashion but I quickly move them down the row and keep whatever I'm currenty working on in the first 8 tracks.
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Re:What Are Your First 8 Tracks?
2012/06/18 11:27:22
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Use < br > without spaces to have separate lines. Or use another browser.
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Re:What Are Your First 8 Tracks?
2012/06/18 11:40:48
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I think a big difference in a track order depends on if the recording is a session with a live band or solo artist , or if it's just you dikin around at home. For a session you need a lot more than 8 tracks anyhow and ya they could be swallowed by the drums in 2 seconds. I like to put the vocals at the top because thats the focus of a lot of my mixes. So I tend to put the tracks that will require the most attention at the top and less fussy instruments at the bottom. this a commons template I use for my own stuff. 1-Vox 1 2-Vox 2 3-Guitar 1 4-Guitar 2 5-Bass 1 6-Bass 2 7-Session Drummer = this will become more tracks later. 8-TTS-1= this will be customized as song progresses or not used at all.
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Re:What Are Your First 8 Tracks?
2012/06/18 16:52:01
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@guitarhacker I agree with you for some genres and there are times I do just what you do.. In others, that would never work. Most dance music is just as much engineering as musicianship and often the scales are tipped 100% to engineering. Songs that consist of three kicks with several snares stacked and filtered six ways to sunday would never work in a stereo drum mix.
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Re:What Are Your First 8 Tracks?
2012/06/18 17:01:44
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Tracks 1. Kick 2. Snare 3. Hats 4. Ride 5. Tom Hi 6. Tom Mid 7. Tom Low 8. Left OH *OCD* 9. Right OH 10. Mid (m/s pattern room Mic) 11. Side (m/s pattern room Mic) Buss Tracks Drums Bass Guitars (this could include separate acoustic and electric Buss thru to Guitars) Vox B Vox Keys (Soft Synths, Pianos, Strings) Fx >MUSIC >VOX MASTER > METRONOME >
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Re:What Are Your First 8 Tracks?
2012/06/18 20:02:20
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Interesting that you separate the toms rather than putting them in a stereo field; but this will surely give you a lot of control. Hey, in the days of DAWs with unlimited tracks, why not?
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Re:What Are Your First 8 Tracks?
2012/06/18 23:07:12
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- Kick
- Snare
- Hats
- Tom 1
- Tom 2
- Floor
- OH (Left)
- OH (Right)
- AMB (Left)
- AMB (Right)
Sorry, I had to go over 8 to complete the drum mix. O/T but I rarely (pretty much never) use a stereo track on anything, which is why I separate the OH and AMB into Left/Right as shown.
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Re:What Are Your First 8 Tracks?
2012/06/19 15:56:47
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konradh Interesting that you separate the toms rather than putting them in a stereo field; but this will surely give you a lot of control. Hey, in the days of DAWs with unlimited tracks, why not? Its standard practrice to record and put each tom on a seperate mono track. No one really will ever record all the toms on one stereo track. Its not a good judgement call to record all toms on one stereo track when you can have them each in mono on seperate mono tracks CJ
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Re:What Are Your First 8 Tracks?
2012/06/19 16:30:06
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CJaysMusic konradh Interesting that you separate the toms rather than putting them in a stereo field; but this will surely give you a lot of control. Hey, in the days of DAWs with unlimited tracks, why not? Its standard practrice to record and put each tom on a seperate mono track. No one really will ever record all the toms on one stereo track. Its not a good judgement call to record all toms on one stereo track when you can have them each in mono on seperate mono tracks CJ +1 thats exactly what i do here.
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Re:What Are Your First 8 Tracks?
2012/06/20 09:58:20
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Re: The Tom Question, I guess my thought was that there could be three to eight toms, so a stereo field seemed logical and easier to manage for virtual drums that would not have a lot of noise or issues to fix drum-by-drum. The majority opinion here seems to be to separate them, though, and I can see how that thinking makes sense (although with what I do it will not matter as much). Thanks for the thoughts. I will set up the next few projects with individual tracks and see how it goes.
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Re:What Are Your First 8 Tracks?
2012/06/20 13:31:54
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Even if you had 8 toms, you still record each tom in mono and keep them on individual mono tracks. The number of toms doesnt matter. Sound quality matters. you need to have 100% control over each tom. Making things easier with shortcuts wont do your song justice. Toms are mono. Even if you have 8 toms. Cj
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Re:What Are Your First 8 Tracks?
2012/06/20 14:31:08
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