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2018/03/13 04:32:55 (permalink)

What I like in Studio One

I am really excited to see that Sonar found a new home and has a new team, it is a relief to see that all this work will continue its journey. Meanwhile, I did buy Studio One and while there are features I miss in Sonar, there are few key things in S1 that I am hoping to see in Sonar:
  • By far, in S1, the performance and playback stability are way better than Sonar. Plugin load/switch/patch load, etc are significantly faster. It is surprising how much difference it makes at the end of the day when you work on a large project.
  • The playback and recording are smoother. I had to switch back and forth recently between S1 and Sonar, pressing play and record in S1 is way more stable than Sonar. I have seen too many times tempo getting out of sync in Sonar with VST plugins, midi notes forgotten under heavy load and other glitches.
  • PDC can go crazy in Sonar with loops and heavy load. I've seen tracks with seconds of delay.
  • Yes, the S1 arranger is amazing, but after switching back and forth, it is really the 3 items above that make the difference. Ripple edit can do a lot of arranging stuff.
What worries me is that the audio engine related stuff is not sexy and not easy to market. I hope that we are going to see more under the hood improvements rather than new features. However, there are few other things that I learned while using Studio One about Sonar
  • Sonar has an amazing UI. The UI handles everything, layers, clips, etc and it is so clear and easy to manipulate midi and audio. 
  • The step sequencer is awesome. The way it is integrated in the midi events is just perfect.
  • The editing workflow of layers+takes is perfect.
  • The built-in plugins are top notch. Between tape and console emulation, everything is right there.
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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/13 10:41:50 (permalink)
I agree with stability issues. I also had years of crashing over things as simple as dragging a clip from one track to another....or locking up just because it had been left idol for an hour or 2
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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/13 13:55:38 (permalink)
Ditto, I'm remixing a 10 song project in S1 that started in Sonar. In S1 I'm able to handle 40 tracks per song where as with Sonar I was pushing it if I went to 24 due to the constant dropout issue. That being said I still feel Sonar's functions overall are better than S1 and still kept a couple mixes that were solid.

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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/13 14:41:17 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby michaelhanson 2018/03/13 16:10:34
WHAT I LIKE ABOUT S1P VER 3.5:
 
1. project page. worth the price of admission alone.
2. IR maker. same as #1.
3. Pro EQ- very straightforward, waterfall, lots of visual info.
4. bus routing: the way it should be.
5. VCA: pretty cool for setting up automation without going to the bus.
6. ampire: sounds as good as anything else i've heard.
7. groove delay: boy is this fun.
8. multiband dynamics: could almost replace waves LPMBC.... almost.
9. Pipeline Mono/Stereo : whoa.
10. the meters. they are awesome.
11. automation: creation of curves is dead easy.
12. arranger track: way more powerful than what i had in sonar 6 pe.
13. scratch pads. whoa. don't know about these? well, i'm sorry......
14. browsing. the best of all platforms.
15. multi instrument panel, and macro control knobs. for some folks, this would be the main selling point.
16. stretching the faders in console view, all the way up to the top of the screen. whoa.
17. Macros. man, i haven't dug into this fully yet, but the idea that you can set up a deep array of multiple commands and have them all automated, in order, via a macro, is super sweet. the build process is dirt simple.
18. low latency monitoring: the way s1 does it, it's mighty powerful.
19. drag and drop functions: super easy to create sends by just dragging effects.
20. there's more than i have time for!
 

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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/13 15:12:05 (permalink)
For me, sonar playback has been tight for years. Overall performance has been impressive, even in very large projects. However, I use Ctrl arrow for coming in and out constantly, and every once in a while when I'm doing things really fast, that crashes sonar. Been a problem for years across different computers and OSs.
I agree that the UI of sonar is better. Looking at S1 when comping layers is a nightmare. No indent, similar shades of grey. Terrible.
That being said, the time and pitch stretch may be the best in the industry.
Stability has been impressive. Not a single crash.
Wouldn't know about latency in monitoring because I always use hardware monitoring.
The bundled plugins seem equivalent, with each having some area of advantage. I'm sticking primarily to waves at the moment.
I bought S1 and a series iii mixer for the tight integration. For me, that is the only reason I'll gravitate towards S1 for the time being.

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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/13 16:39:39 (permalink)
mmmm, i love the smell of fresh code in the morning...

just a sec

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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/13 17:56:41 (permalink)
BlixYZ

I agree that the UI of sonar is better. Looking at S1 when comping layers is a nightmare. No indent, similar shades of grey. Terrible.

why have you not bothered to learn how to change the colors?
dead simple.

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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/13 18:05:06 (permalink)
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WHAT I LIKE ABOUT S1P VER 3.5:
 
1. project page. worth the price of admission alone.
2. IR maker. same as #1.
3. Pro EQ- very straightforward, waterfall, lots of visual info.
4. bus routing: the way it should be.
5. VCA: pretty cool for setting up automation without going to the bus.
6. ampire: sounds as good as anything else i've heard.
7. groove delay: boy is this fun.
8. multiband dynamics: could almost replace waves LPMBC.... almost.
9. Pipeline Mono/Stereo : whoa.
10. the meters. they are awesome.
11. automation: creation of curves is dead easy.
12. arranger track: way more powerful than what i had in sonar 6 pe.
13. scratch pads. whoa. don't know about these? well, i'm sorry......
14. browsing. the best of all platforms.
15. multi instrument panel, and macro control knobs. for some folks, this would be the main selling point.
16. stretching the faders in console view, all the way up to the top of the screen. whoa.
17. Macros. man, i haven't dug into this fully yet, but the idea that you can set up a deep array of multiple commands and have them all automated, in order, via a macro, is super sweet. the build process is dirt simple.
18. low latency monitoring: the way s1 does it, it's mighty powerful.
19. drag and drop functions: super easy to create sends by just dragging effects.
20. there's more than i have time for!
 



This is a brilliant list - half of which I have discovered since I switched away from Sonar, and the other half I am about to discover! On top of that, it is of course rock solid.

The only thing I wish SO could do is - the ability to drag a clip from one track to another and lock its position by holding down (say) shift as you drag - like Sonar does.

Oh, and sound on sound recording, although I'm weaning myself off that.
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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/13 18:18:11 (permalink)

Oh, and sound on sound recording, although I'm weaning myself off that.

 
I have the same issue with IPA's! 
 
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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/13 18:31:07 (permalink)
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BlixYZ
I agree that the UI of sonar is better. Looking at S1 when comping layers is a nightmare. No indent, similar shades of grey. Terrible.
why have you not bothered to learn how to change the colors?
dead simple.

Watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg4d0mXRxvA I have not noticed the problem with colors. But how layers "behave" looks a bit funny.
All that "folders", "buses", "layers" and "AUX" was in any case artificial for me, so I am glad that I have left them behind and moved to natural (for computers) technology...
 

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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/13 18:36:27 (permalink)
I have the occasional drop out issue with Sonar. Very occasional as in almost never so that isn't a deal breaker for me. Sometimes it can be a computer setup that causes these kinds of issues.
 
I believe that with the additions made to Sonar before the Gibson news ,Sonar  comes head to head with S1. Both have similar features and Sonar is easier on the eyes. Both programs are well worth owning. I suppose it was inevitable that we would have people who crossed over and like S1 better in light of what went down.. It was an easy cross over for many. I own a recent copy of S1 pro. If forced to use S1 I would have made it my main daw. It does a lot of the stuff musicians need to do most often well.It leaves out some of the other more complex stuff. That doesn't seem to matter to most who don't use those features. I won't ever argue that it's not a good daw. Probably one of the best all rounders you could ever own.
Having hardware support is always helpful too and we aren't talking 100 dollar interfaces. They have some really nice hardware.
So if you don't come back I understand, but I think it might help you to hang around and see what happens. Seriously. If you like the way Sonar worked before or if you liked the way some features worked better than the others there's no sin in having a few daws around. 
Nothing beats Sonar for me when doing  tracking/mixing. S1 is a close second however it isn't as easy on the eyes. Tired eyes that look at a computer all day. I want to keep using my 32 bit plug ins as long as I can. I don't need to worry about importing/exporting compressed file types or anything else for that matter. The others don't all do that. Don't believe me? Try it and see.
 

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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/13 21:04:59 (permalink)
 
 
Duplicated by moderation.
post edited by paulo - 2018/03/18 11:20:01
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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/13 21:11:51 (permalink)
well, i'm not convinced.
and if you don't get into specifics, then it's hard to discuss differences..
i simply said what i liked about S1p, the specifics i mentioned about s1p that sonar didn't do,
is still the most relevant of the list of items

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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/13 21:15:55 (permalink)
batsbrew
WHAT I LIKE ABOUT S1P VER 3.5:
 
1. project page. worth the price of admission alone.
2. IR maker. same as #1.
3. Pro EQ- very straightforward, waterfall, lots of visual info.
4. bus routing: the way it should be.
5. VCA: pretty cool for setting up automation without going to the bus.
6. ampire: sounds as good as anything else i've heard.
7. groove delay: boy is this fun.
8. multiband dynamics: could almost replace waves LPMBC.... almost.
9. Pipeline Mono/Stereo : whoa.
10. the meters. they are awesome.
11. automation: creation of curves is dead easy.
12. arranger track: way more powerful than what i had in sonar 6 pe.
13. scratch pads. whoa. don't know about these? well, i'm sorry......
14. browsing. the best of all platforms.
15. multi instrument panel, and macro control knobs. for some folks, this would be the main selling point.
16. stretching the faders in console view, all the way up to the top of the screen. whoa.
17. Macros. man, i haven't dug into this fully yet, but the idea that you can set up a deep array of multiple commands and have them all automated, in order, via a macro, is super sweet. the build process is dirt simple.
18. low latency monitoring: the way s1 does it, it's mighty powerful.
19. drag and drop functions: super easy to create sends by just dragging effects.
20. there's more than i have time for!
 




Without getting into specifics, comparing the latest incarnation of S1 to Sonar 6 is apples v oranges.
 
IMHO S1 has some nice features, does seem a little snappier, but is not as crashproof as people claim in my experience. It's also fugly and overall Platinum still has it beat for me.
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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/13 22:11:45 (permalink)
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 but is not as crashproof as people claim in my experience. It's also fugly and overall Platinum still has it beat for me.




Oh but it is, in my experience anyway, in the almost 3 years since I jumped ship from SONAR it has only crashed once, and that was when I tried out the new Cakewalk LP plugs, immediate crash on insertion, I assure you the irony of that was not lost on me and audio engine drop outs? what are they? the only place I have ever experienced them were in SONAR.
 
As for looks (somewhat subjective) I can no longer stand being in the SONAR environment (bugs, flakiness and instability aside) it just looks tired and old and butt ugly to me. IMO Studio One creams SONAR 5 ways from Sunday, I can't wait until something better comes along, because that will be a doozie.
 
But it's all nothing but personal opinion, as long as you are being honest with yourself, use whatever you like or find is best to and for YOU

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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/13 22:17:06 (permalink)
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Sonar  comes head to head with S1. Both have similar features and Sonar is easier on the eyes.

if you have not fully jumped in and learned how to use S1P, then you really don't know.
and i don't get these 'easy on the eyes' stuff, everything about the display is editable.
 
 
StariseSo if you don't come back I understand, but I think it might help you to hang around and see what happens.

 
 
i can't help it if sonar went t!ts up right when i was building my new DAW.......
i doubt i'll be back, after spending all the time it's going to take to get as adept at S1 as i was with sonar.
but i'll still be around!
 
StariseNothing beats Sonar for me when doing  tracking/mixing. 

kinda feel the same way about Studio One now.....
 
and the project page?!!
man, how did i live without that thing!
the way it works, and the way it is integrated into the working songs pages....
wow, that's what the new sonar needs to do, PRONTO!
 
Just finished mastering my new album using nothing but the project page and a couple of Waves plugs....
 
you don't know what you are missing.
 
 

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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/13 22:44:40 (permalink)
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why have you not bothered to learn how to change the colors?
dead simple.


This is my issue exactly. Having to re-learning everything, just to do the same thing.
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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/13 23:18:39 (permalink)
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batsbrew
why have you not bothered to learn how to change the colors?
dead simple.


This is my issue exactly. Having to re-learning everything, just to do the same thing.

Here's, it's like listening to a kid whine about having to pick his room up... :)

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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/14 00:07:26 (permalink)
I haven't had any audio issues with Sonar (since X3 came out) that wasn't related to Win 10 or my aging Presonus 44VSL.
On Win 7 everything works perfectly.
Being I already had 2 other DAWs I like to use...I decided to wait and see what would happen with Cakewalk. I certainly don't blame anyone for switching. It was Cakewalk that shut the doors after all.
Having said all of that...I don't care what DAW anyone uses. What ever makes you happy and productive.

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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/14 15:18:57 (permalink)
well, so far,
s1p is making my happy and productive,
and i was able to let go of all that angst over what was going to, or not going to happen, to sonar.
 
 
i'd like to read some more success stories on s1.........

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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/14 16:30:59 (permalink)
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well, so far,
s1p is making my happy and productive,
and i was able to let go of all that angst over what was going to, or not going to happen, to sonar.
 
 
i'd like to read some more success stories on s1.........


I do like PS1-3, because it's sooooooooooooooooo easy.  I've had it for four months now and only looked at the manual three times.  I think it sounds beautiful.  I've read articles that say it's impossible to tell one DAW from another, but I swear PS1 sounds more open and defined tan SONAR.  Maybe that's a placebo effect, dunno.  It can also handle huge project loads much better than SONAR. I have yet to experience a dropout.  I do miss the FX bin in SONAR terribly.  Also, I love the GUI on both SONAR and Reaper.  To me PS1 looks like a big gummy bear.  But in the end it's about how well things work, so I can certainly be forgiving of that. 
 
When CW went belly up I was depressed for weeks.  I tried PS1, Samplitude and Reaper.  None of them made me happy.  Now I'm working with PS1 more and thinking I could bond with it.  When BL brings out their version of SONAR I'll definitely take a look, but right now I have a feeling that the future lies with PS.

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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/14 17:56:19 (permalink)
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 I think it sounds beautiful.  I've read articles that say it's impossible to tell one DAW from another, but I swear PS1 sounds more open and defined tan SONAR.  Maybe that's a placebo effect, dunno.

As several tests have shown, basic mixing engines NULL. I mean it is out of discussion whether it is possible to tell the difference when there is no difference, digitally it is outside of the best DACs capabilities. That means even in case some alien can spot such difference in the sound, the equipment available on the earth now is unable to produce it.
All tests I have seen which try to prove the difference have "bugs", like using fixed point (24bit WAV) audio files with silence and then cranking it +100dB. So calling the differences in particular rounding and dithering.
 
Sure, as soon as you put faders or pan knobs into "the same" graphical position... Different fader curves and current pan-law come into the game. And finally when some "exclusive" FX (which does not work outside particular DAW) is in use, the sound is different. But that is not the "sound of the DAW".
 
To test, try to null 3-4 tracks mix without FXes in Sonar and S1. You will find the job is not as easy as someone can think. But after you have done that once, you will learn what are the first options/preferences/adjustments you should do/check when importing track from one of these DAWs into another. I mean that can be valuable knowledge in practice

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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/14 18:50:56 (permalink)
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I do miss the FX bin in SONAR terribly.  



 
hmmm.. that's interesting,
because one of the things i like the most about S1, is how easy it is to grab and use FX.
maybe that's an area you can play around with more,
because its super powerful and super easy.
 

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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/15 18:07:19 (permalink)
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well, i'm not convinced.
and if you don't get into specifics, then it's hard to discuss differences..
i simply said what i liked about S1p, the specifics i mentioned about s1p that sonar didn't do,
is still the most relevant of the list of items


I'm glad you found something you like Bat, and as I say can't hardly blame people for jumping ship given the circumstances we had.
My "easy on the eyes" comment comes from my preference for the graphic user interface in Sonar. It's just better all around to me. I don't say this entirely because I have bad eyes. I have 20/20 seeing distance and with my prescription glasses on I can see into the pores on my hand. I ordered those especially for computer work, anti-glare all of that. The problem with looking at a daw mainly comes into play over long periods of time. My job involves computers all day long. I have two 22" computer screens when running my daws and I STILL prefer Sonar to almost any other daw I've seen to date. Studio One has small fonts and a crammed looking GUI compared to Sonar. When I'm running a project I want large and spacious. Sonar gives me that. If you get used to S1 it isn't a deal breaker. You can use it ok. I don't think it has as many Graphic options as Sonar.
 
The other stuff people mention like ease of using effects. I must be missing something. I have never had an issue with effects either single or in chains. Either in the FX box or in the PC. SO3 is drag and drop. Sonar is drag and drop.
Sonar still allows you to use 32 bit along with 64bit effects unlike others. Have you ever felt the frustration of grabbing a vst instrument or effect and attempting to use it only to be told your daw won't accept it? Especially when you've invested a significant amount of money in them.
SO3 won't deal with Mp4. Neither will Ableton. Sonar...no problem.
 
I have the SO3 and I'm just not convinced it is really head and shoulders better. It is good. It is usable. It gets the job done well.It does some things better and some things it doesn't do at all.It's a nice tool to have in my box, especially for mastering albums. Other than that, if I'm staring at something for 4 hours I would rather it be Sonar. Just me.
 
 

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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/15 18:54:55 (permalink)
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WHAT I LIKE ABOUT S1P VER 3.5:
 
15. multi instrument panel



+1
 
Many great points, but #15 is special! 

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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/15 19:42:01 (permalink)
I actually prefer the Studio One GUI.  I am still looking at it way more than most people here and it never bothers me.  I am using it on two monitors as well and having the mixer on a separate screen and fully vertically extended is very nice indeed.  It looks fantastic on a Mac especially a high res one.  It is quite adjustable in fact.  Stability is still way ahead in all areas.  External midi timing kills Sonar, end of story.  It is faster, smoother and just better as far as I am concerned.  Its gapless engine for both audio and midi are light years ahead.  Sonar never got that right.  There are tons of things you can do on the fly that Sonar cannot even contemplate.  There are free MP4 to wave converters around too.  Easily sorted that issue. Integration into Presonus hardware is amazing especially the new range of Series III mixers.  V4 is coming with some seriously amazing features. 

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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/15 20:11:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jude77 2018/03/15 20:25:43
I am currently working 2 new songs in Studio One and one new song in Sonar.  I find there are things that I really like better in Studio One, but I am still pretty much finding my way around the program. 
 
My biggest complaint right now is just the learning curve.  Some things, even after I have figured them out, I will go back after a couple of days away from S1 and I can't remember how I did it.  Having used Sonar for over 10 years, I never really have to think about what I am doing, it just became second nature.  I think once I get really comfortable working within S1, it will become second nature as well.  It really won't matter to me then, which program I am working with.  
 
One thing that I wish Studio One would change, and maybe I just don't yet know how to do it, would be to give me an option to make the tracks even wider in Track View.  I know there is a narrow version and a wider version, but I wish there was an extra wide.  I generally don't use tons of tracks in my songs and could easily manage with them being a tad bit wider.  

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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/15 20:31:35 (permalink)
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I am currently working 2 new songs in Studio One and one new song in Sonar.  I find there are things that I really like better in Studio One, but I am still pretty much finding my way around the program. 
 
My biggest complaint right now is just the learning curve.  Some things, even after I have figured them out, I will go back after a couple of days away from S1 and I can't remember how I did it.  Having used Sonar for over 10 years, I never really have to think about what I am doing, it just became second nature.  I think once I get really comfortable working within S1, it will become second nature as well.  It really won't matter to me then, which program I am working with. 

That is exactly what I've been trying to say.  I never used more than 10% of SONAR's functions; and I'll probably do about the same with SP1-3, so I'll never really know which is the "better" DAW.  To be totally honest I'm just hating learning a new program, and, again to be very honest, I'm sure I'm interpreting that as "liking SONAR better".  Hopefully, after I've used them both for a while I'll find them both useful and great. 

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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/15 21:37:33 (permalink)
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  V4 is coming with some seriously amazing features. 




Jeff you're such a tease

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Re: What I like in Studio One 2018/03/16 09:12:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby michaelhanson 2018/03/17 03:26:48
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One thing that I wish Studio One would change, and maybe I just don't yet know how to do it, would be to give me an option to make the tracks even wider in Track View.  I know there is a narrow version and a wider version, but I wish there was an extra wide.  I generally don't use tons of tracks in my songs and could easily manage with them being a tad bit wider.  



 
Hold down SHIFT and press E to widen the track widths. Keep holding SHIFT and pressing E and each press will widen the track headers.  You can set them to any size you want.  Hold SHIFT and press W to narrow them again. There are other ways too.  To the right of that little downward pointing triangle where you mentioned to set the track header size is a little fader that pops up.  Click and hold on that.  You can adjust the header size there too. You can also grab the bottom of the track header in the middle and drag the size.  Select multiple tracks and you will effect all of them the same way. 
 
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Jeff you're such a tease

 
Not really. Major updates usually bring in some great new things.
 

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