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2013/02/14 09:17:14 (permalink)

What a trip...

We have five computers. (well six...there's a little 8" laptop that the kid plays with too)
Three desktops- two laptops.
An Alienware laptop that is suppose to be a demon...I know the price was...$4,500.00 +
My wife uses it for facebook. *&()(*&- and I like to play chess on it. We've probably used it for about
48 hrs in the year we've had it. The rest of the time it's been sitting broke or in transit. For months was phone support with techs that were suppose to come to the house and fix it that never showed up...the parts did but then we had to send them back because the techs that didn't show up didn't use them.
A Dell laptop for the grand daughter. New and she's happy.
 
My music PC. -XPS 64 bit- Win7
My internet PC.-XPS 32 bit. Win XP
A desktip -XPS 32 bit- for wife and daughter- games, misc...stuff they do.
 
The Alienware has been returned to Dell 2 times and they have it now...everything has gone wrong with - hard drive failure this time- about 3 3d movies have benn watched on it and facebook use...nothing else.
 
The music computer - well I guess it won't run X2 so it's for Vegas Pro 12 and that's all.
The internet computer- It's used to for mail and internet. Internet use is for this forum mostly and it doesn't work....so it checks the mail.
The desktop for wife and kid to play games works half the time and they get mad at it and shut it down.
 
I know why I spend my time in my shop building guitars and pickups.
After 21 years of trying to use them to record and do basic functions....I think I'm just about done.
 
At work I have one....security stops just about everything except this and this is without pictures or music.
 
So....out of six computers in my life none of them except the one that's a week old for the grand kid works or does what it's suppose to do. I imagine it'll only be a few weeks before she is having trouble
with hers. ( well the work one I don't care about...there problem)
 
And the solution to run X2 is get another one. ?....
 
I woke up today thinking....I could buy a table saw with that auto flesh sensing stop feature for less than the price of another headache. And it'll work.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 09:25:32 (permalink)
    All that junk to do something as easy as talking to people, reading the news and recording. What has the world come to??!

    This weekend I'll be throwing out A LOT of crap I have stashed up over the years, get rid of old harddrives and computers, broken wifi routersm junk etc.

    Sorry to hear about all those problems you have with your gear. Must be great to pick up a piece of wood and create something real in stead

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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 09:29:13 (permalink)


    That auto stop stuff freaks me out.

    :-)


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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 09:37:00 (permalink)
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    That auto stop stuff freaks me out.

    :-)

    Why? That has to be the coolest safety feature ever invented. If it's triggered once it's possibly worth
    more than one can put a price on.
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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 09:40:09 (permalink)
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    All that junk to do something as easy as talking to people, reading the news and recording. What has the world come to??!

    This weekend I'll be throwing out A LOT of crap I have stashed up over the years, get rid of old harddrives and computers, broken wifi routersm junk etc.

    Sorry to hear about all those problems you have with your gear. Must be great to pick up a piece of wood and create something real in stead

    LOL....it does sound bad, doesn't it.

    You said the magic word though....junk...and the truth off it is that it's really not a problem.
    I told my wife last night I was fine with throwing it all out in trash because it's not a problem for me to do without them. I'm a guitarist and don't need them to play....or build for that matter. And really...doesn't take much of one to surf for guitar parts and check mail.
     
    Time for me to do some soul searching.
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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 10:05:23 (permalink)


    I guess my personal philosophy is that personal safety needs to be managed at a meta level that is much higher than a near instantaneous reaction to an incident. 

    I never switch the saw on until my assistant and I have confirmed our plan to move the wood through and called fingers safe.

    I ripped a 12' 2" x 10" yellow pine plank into 2" x 1/4" quarter sawn lathe last weekend on a contractor saw.... yikes... gotta plan and do it right or don't even try. :-)

    There's also the fact that my cell phone doesn't effectively use it's capacitance sensor all the time... and I don't trust the saw blade to work much better than my phone's touch screen.

    And... some wood worker industry pundits have pointed out that the mere existence of this patented featured has created a climate of increased liability for the vendors who do not (or can not) offer the licensed safety feature and so the entire homesumer and contractor saw market reacted by simply removing a lot of product from the field... competition for production of table saws ranging from $500 to $2k became less contested and buyers have less options than 10 years ago.

    I had a long conversation with a Woodcraft franchise owner about why I couldn't actually order many of the saws in their catalog... he showed me the new safety saw and gave me the hot dog demo... and then he explained how the whole sale supply chain had shifted so rapidly that the catalogs couldn't keep up. He also explained how many name plates simply took the option to leave the price point.

    It seemed like he was showing me a saw with a cheap fence I would never use. :-) A lot has changed since then and Sawstop has a full range of products... so that wouldn't apply as it did then.

    Anyways...  they freak me out.

    Every one of those "finger save" stories seems like evidence that we don't have effective wood shop programs in our middle and high schools anymore. I'm glad everyone still has their fingers.

    In my college sculpture lab we had a student that refused to take the work tool safety intro class seriously. She lodged a formal complaint about my Professor claiming hat he spoke to her disrespectfully in the shop. It hurt my Professors career... and all he was doing was yelling "stop" in an effort to keep her from killing herself.

    The day she got her hair caught in the drill press it scalped her... but not before it smashed her nose in the cast iron table.

    We called 911 immediately and tried to help the best we could. It was pretty awful.

    The incident hurt my professor's career as well.

    Wood tools are dangerous... I don't think anything should distract people from focusing on that.

    Not pretending to have any answers...  it just freaks me out that's all. :-)

    When you buy yours I'm gonna say "congrats" for doing something you want to do! :-)



    all the best,
    mike

    post edited by mike_mccue - 2013/02/14 10:08:52


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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 10:24:57 (permalink)
    Mike no matter what you may think of safety features it doesn't
    change the fact that I awoke this morning thinking what I did.

    If I put $1,300.00 + in my hand and ask what would I like to purchase today?

    A computer just drops on the list and I've given some pretty good reasons of why.

    So ya don't like seat belts lol.
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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 10:31:50 (permalink)


    I wear a seat belt.

    I even put some in my 1967 VW Beetles.

    I helped take shifts spoon feeding yogurt to a surf and skate tribe friend who went through a wind shield back in '83... I've been wearing seat belts ever since.

    :-)


    all the best,
    mike


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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 10:43:21 (permalink)
    Spacey.

    IMO, the only decent computers are ones you build yourself (or by a pro) or a Mac.
    They work and continue to work. Sorry you've had so many computer problems.

    Back to tablesaws.
    Do you know what saw in the $300-500 range has the best fence and widest rip (at least 25")  ??

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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 10:53:11 (permalink)


    How about this?


    I think a country populated by people who learned something about the real world in a middle school wood shop wouldn't accept the current computer system business model... they'd say it is a house of cards.

    A country populated by people who eagerly spend their formative years learning how to shop $240 sneakers at the 1/2 price sale is well prepared to support the current business model nicely.




    In my next life I'm gonna aspire to own a few MacDonalds and just sit back and watch. :-)





    Years ago I formed the opinion that we don't actually buy computers... we just lease the potential to use it as vigorously as we can until it's useless.


    Heck, I'll bet I can sell my table saw for $10 more than I bought it for... but if I want to throw away my useless computer legally I'm supposed to pay an extra hazardous waste fee.

    That's why I refer to my next DAW as a "plan".... I keep finding things I value much more that I can enjoy and spend my time with.



    all the best,
    mike



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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 11:01:33 (permalink)
    Yeah...I'm sorry too. Good advice too Tim. I know if I do buy another one I'm taking a different approach.
    Jim has one I'm looking at and now I'm trying to decide whether or not to continue ...right now I'm just tired of the computer industry in general.
    It's always something it seems.
    I'll get over it and do whatever it is that I feel like I should do.....right now it can all go in the trash as far as I'm concerned. I have better things to enjoy without the BS.
    Posted the many reasons I feel that way. Easy to understand why I do huh?

    I have a Ryobi that is fantastic for what I do. Had it for years so haven't been looking at them. Don' t remember what it cost but it was in that range.
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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 11:22:32 (permalink)


    Hi Tim,
     After my conversation with the Woodcraft store owner I started looking for a used Rigid TS3650. It is the last "made in Taiwan" saw of the era. Production was shifted to China... where upon the first batch of spindles cracked and there was a hiatus of supply for over a year.


     I was lucky I found an older couple doing a house remodel just east of Ocala who had one of these saws still in the shrink wrap box. They bought it on sale for $399 and never took it out of the box.

     I paid them $400 and drove down to Ocala one day to get it.

     I took my wife sight seeing as well... we drove down an old Florida dirt road and ended up at the southern mouth of Lake George and stood where John Bartram stood hundreds of years ago and wrote in his journal. Wild Florida. Got a great photo of a Coach Whip Snake that day.

     Good memories.


     Here's a review of that saw:

    http://benchmark.20m.com/...idgidTS3650Review.html

    It was such a good value that it has a sort of cult following. It can be adjusted to work well and the fence is excellent out of the box.

    I have an old Rockwell set up for dada as well... it's fence isn't worth using so I use a sled on it.

    If I needed one more saw I'd shop Craigs list for a used Rigid TS3650... unless you want that safety feature and then Sawstop is a no brainer.


    best regards,
    mike



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    post edited by mike_mccue - 2013/02/14 11:31:16


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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 11:23:26 (permalink)
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    I keep finding things I value much more that I can enjoy and spend my time with.



    all the best,
    mike
    That sure makes sense.
     
     

     
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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 11:35:22 (permalink)
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    mike_mccue


    That auto stop stuff freaks me out.

    :-)

    Why? That has to be the coolest safety feature ever invented. If it's triggered once it's possibly worth
    more than one can put a price on.


    Have you ever seen a video with their top quality control tester?  "Three fingers" Ted?

     
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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 11:53:36 (permalink)
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    I guess my personal philosophy is that personal safety needs to be managed at a meta level that is much higher than a near instantaneous reaction to an incident. 

    I never switch the saw on until my assistant and I have confirmed our plan to move the wood through and called fingers safe.

    I ripped a 12' 2" x 10" yellow pine plank into 2" x 1/4" quarter sawn lathe last weekend on a contractor saw.... yikes... gotta plan and do it right or don't even try. :-)

    There's also the fact that my cell phone doesn't effectively use it's capacitance sensor all the time... and I don't trust the saw blade to work much better than my phone's touch screen.

    And... some wood worker industry pundits have pointed out that the mere existence of this patented featured has created a climate of increased liability for the vendors who do not (or can not) offer the licensed safety feature and so the entire homesumer and contractor saw market reacted by simply removing a lot of product from the field... competition for production of table saws ranging from $500 to $2k became less contested and buyers have less options than 10 years ago.

    I had a long conversation with a Woodcraft franchise owner about why I couldn't actually order many of the saws in their catalog... he showed me the new safety saw and gave me the hot dog demo... and then he explained how the whole sale supply chain had shifted so rapidly that the catalogs couldn't keep up. He also explained how many name plates simply took the option to leave the price point.

    It seemed like he was showing me a saw with a cheap fence I would never use. :-) A lot has changed since then and Sawstop has a full range of products... so that wouldn't apply as it did then.

    Anyways...  they freak me out.

    Every one of those "finger save" stories seems like evidence that we don't have effective wood shop programs in our middle and high schools anymore. I'm glad everyone still has their fingers.

    In my college sculpture lab we had a student that refused to take the work tool safety intro class seriously. She lodged a formal complaint about my Professor claiming hat he spoke to her disrespectfully in the shop. It hurt my Professors career... and all he was doing was yelling "stop" in an effort to keep her from killing herself.

    The day she got her hair caught in the drill press it scalped her... but not before it smashed her nose in the cast iron table.

    We called 911 immediately and tried to help the best we could. It was pretty awful.

    The incident hurt my professor's career as well.

    Wood tools are dangerous... I don't think anything should distract people from focusing on that.

    Not pretending to have any answers...  it just freaks me out that's all. :-)

    When you buy yours I'm gonna say "congrats" for doing something you want to do! :-)



    all the best,
    mike


    Are you sure this is the same Mike McCue that chews up footpaths with a chainsaw whilst wearing peep toed sandals?...
     
     
     
     
    How about having safety policy like that AND a flesh-eating monster detector at the end of the chain?
     
    It ain't something you rely on but just may be something you're are still able to give a thumbs up to when you messed up one time and it did kick in.
     
    What freaks me out is something that makes perfect sense freaking someone out.

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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 11:57:00 (permalink)


    Those are closed toe sneakers... designed to give the operator with two different length legs a stable operating platform. ;-)




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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 12:56:17 (permalink)
     I just bought a Ryobi Table saw to do my built in job. It was the one with the built in stand because I don't have the room to let one sit in the garage.

     It was in your range timidi but I wouldn't buy it if I were using a saw constantly. This one gets the job done for a weekender.

     Spacey- For general web surfing the ipad is probably the easiest thing to use or maybe an android. I know you are an intelligent guy and I'm not saying you necessarily need something simple....but if you want something that works and works well every time this is it.

      These are fine even for some of the more intensive types of things you do on a computer. When I got my wife one she didn't think she would ever use it....now I think she is married to it instead of me sometimes.

     For music, a computer can either make or break success with  DAW software. In my experiences if I get something that works it usually stays working until years later when the HDD takes a poo. If it doesn't work it can be a nightmare. If you get to the bottom of whatever the problem is, I think you will be one happy camper.

     

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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 13:07:10 (permalink)
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     I just bought a Ryobi Table saw to do my built in job. It was the one with the built in stand because I don't have the room to let one sit in the garage.

    It was in your range timidi but I wouldn't buy it if I were using a saw constantly. This one gets the job done for a weekender.

    Spacey- For general web surfing the ipad is probably the easiest thing to use or maybe an android. I know you are an intelligent guy and I'm not saying you necessarily need something simple....but if you want something that works and works well every time this is it.

    These are fine even for some of the more intensive types of things you do on a computer. When I got my wife one she didn't think she would ever use it....now I think she is married to it instead of me sometimes.

    For music, a computer can either make or break success with  DAW software. In my experiences if I get something that works it usually stays working until years later when the HDD takes a poo. If it doesn't work it can be a nightmare. If you get to the bottom of whatever the problem is, I think you will be one happy camper.



    I don't think they've made the Ryobi I have for twenty years.
     
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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 13:14:33 (permalink)
    I have a Delta Industrial table saw.

    I've always liked Delta tools, always had good luck with them.

    I imagine this thing will end up in a garage sale some day when I'm gone and keep on rolling for a good 50 years or more. It's built like a tank.



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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 13:34:24 (permalink)
    I managed to find a picture Tim. You may can tell that on the left there is a sliding miter table. It's very cool and can adjust for accuracy. On the right you may see that the table section has a place to mount a router.
    Both rails slide and the fence is adjustable. I've adjusted it once or twice in all the years.

    The outlet to plug-in a router or another tool is control by the table saw switch...unplug the table saw is a good idea if you use it.

    To bad they quit making this one. Of course they had to....great design, good parts...just
    going to last to long that way.

    Everything adjusts...the sled the router side..
    It's not in the photo but there is a miter fence that mounts on the left. Not that little
    thing either...it's a fence that locks down.

    Well I could see the picture before I posted....here's a link.
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    post edited by spacey - 2013/02/14 13:36:06
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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 13:48:24 (permalink)
    OOOO OOOOO OOOOO I actually have something to contribute here.

    I have all Ryobi tools.

    Table Saw
    Radial Saw
    Drill
    Circular Saw
    Sander
    Vac
    Flashlight

    And only one charger. Anyone see what's wrong with this picture when the table saw is the ONLY A/C device? 
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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 13:53:27 (permalink)
    A/C device?

    Is this something to do with capacitors?

    Speak up oh bapsi!


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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 13:54:26 (permalink)
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    A/C device?

    Is this something to do with capacitors?

    Speak up oh bapsi!

    My capacitance for humor is high, McQ.

    I don't resist it either. Transitive or not.  I hope I diode.
    HTH.




    post edited by bapu - 2013/02/14 13:55:42
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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 14:03:44 (permalink)


    Here's mine:









    It ain't no '69 Chevelle but it's paid for. :-)


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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 14:06:53 (permalink)
    LOL....I bet if you sell it you won't see what I saw!
     
    I do have to get a big one. Mine is not something to be using to build cabinets with. One can...
    just not a smart thing to do.

    post edited by spacey - 2013/02/14 14:08:01
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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 14:08:24 (permalink)
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    I like to play chess on it.    
      
      
      
      
      
      
      
     

    Of all the info mentioned in this Fred, this is all I saw....
     
    But Michael, if you'd like to play sometime......I do play on-line on Yahoo.  

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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 14:11:53 (permalink)
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    Here's mine:




    I find it easier to pass the wood over the saw. How do you get a straight bead while pulling the saw on that cart McQ?
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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 14:21:18 (permalink)
    Thanks guys. great stuff. Mike I do want a 'man' saw like yours:) 
    This is what I've been dealing with for 30 years.
    everytime I turn it on it sounds like the world is going to end very soon.



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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 14:26:34 (permalink)
    I just talked with a computer guru here at work. He builds them and knows them.

    He looked at the requirements posted here to run X2 -
  • Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 2.67 GHz / AMD Phenom Quad Core 9750 2.4 Ghz or higher
  • 2GB of RAM
    I told him my specs- Intel i7 860 Quad 2.8 with 8 gb mem and he said my PC should not
    be having trouble running X2.

    Now for somebody like me that doesn't know about all the ins and outs of this game....I do
    know when somebody has their cap on to tight.

    Know I have a computer that runs Vegas Pro 12 64 bit. Sonar 8.5 64 bit and a tech telling
    me my computer should be fine for X2 64 bit.

    I feel like somebody keeps telling me to change my guitar strings because the pickups don't work.

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    Re:What a trip... 2013/02/14 14:27:40 (permalink)
    timidi


    Thanks guys. great stuff. Mike I do want a 'man' saw like yours:) 
    This is what I've been dealing with for 30 years.
    everytime I turn it on it sounds like the world is going to end very soon.



    So it's a Mayan table saw....
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