What drum VST?

Hello, I have BFD2, and have used it for a long time, but they (Fxpansion) are boning me on a re-auth issue after an OS upgrade. If I had to go to another package, which would you recommend and why?
 
Thank you.

BTW, I recommend Superior because of the deep editing features with the bleed controls, the included plugins, and the quality of the sound. Some people prefer to have a rawer sound like BFD or Addictive and tweak until the cows come home. I like the more polished CD or radio ready sounds in Superior. I recommend Addictive because it's very easy to assemble a kit very quickly. Although, you may have to tweak each kit piece for a while to get what you want.
Of course you know about BFD. I hate that they're doing that to you. Good Luck!

The Band19
Hello, I have BFD2, and have used it for a long time, but they (Fxpansion) are boning me on a re-auth issue after an OS upgrade.

What happened? I recently had to request some extra authorisations for some Toontrack products after upgrading to Win 8.1, the reset my account within a few hours of me submitting a ticket. I would have hoped that FXPansion would be as responsive.
 
I think BFD3 is the best out there at the moment, much better than BFD2 but if you do want to break with FXPansion I would go with Superior drummer, I prefered Superior to BFD2.
 
I have not really spent much time with the Adictive Drums that came with X3 but somehow it did not grab me. I have Steven Slate 4, it sounds great if you want "mix ready" sounds but the interface is horrible.

I'd recommend AD2 to anyone's more interested in "plug-and-play" drums than bonafide hardcore drum mixing!
 
Cause of the presets which are REALLY useful compared to the competition. EZD, even though it's marketed as being "EZ" always seems to require a good deal of tweaking to "sit" (I don't own EZD or EZD2 but have several EZXs running within Superior 2.0)

As far as the deep editing is concerned, the controls to do so are very placed in the mixer window to allow tweaking if you feel the need to. I don't know of any preset that exactly fit the bill right out of the gate. Also a trick in Superior for faster load times is the bleed mics you shut off will result in those samples not being loaded. That brings down the sample size when the kit loads for those of you who don't quite have enough RAM space to run the full kit. It also results in faster load times because you're loading less samples. I don't intend to say that any sampler or rompler sounds so good you never have to tweak. Ah, how much easier would that make it for us.

Subjacent
Melda productions Mdrummer it can be as simple or as in-depth as you could possible imagine its a monster, you have not seen anything like or will we gain, its a secret weapon, although it one of these where the demo is a stripped down mini free version and not even 5% of what the full version offers, so its a leap of faith, but no way can you be disappointed, as long as you take time to learn you will never ever think about another, it also has a rhythms generator and editor, it has 6gb of factory samples, its takes your own sample and it has drum synth technology, I don't know where to start in even scratching the surface, they have just realised a new version that has out done itself although no videos yet to justify the improvements , all updates are free. all other drum vst are mere babies toys by comparison, what more can I say, I am not ever looking back.

 
You have to be joking?
 
The mixer is horrible, who the hell wants a horizontal mixer?
Anyone looking for real acoustic drums sounds is going to find much better ones elsewhere.
 
 
 
 
It seems the demo is only stripped down in the sense that it doesn't come with all full range of kits and you can't save stuff, plus a few other minor things but you get all the effects and everything else so it's a whole lot more than 5%.
 
And why are the tutorials done with a computer generated voice?
That seriously makes their product look like a cheap and nasty toy and doesn't do them any favours at all.
 
I've been playing around with the demo for about 20 minutes and the whole interface needs to be scrapped in my opinion, it feels really unintuitive and badly laid out. Just little things like you can only access the play button
from the quick set up tab and the rhythm generator tab, it should be accessible in all tabs.
 
I'm not totally against it but the way your talking about it sounds like a lot of gas.
Perhaps it's the first and only drum vst you've ever used and if that's the case you really should try some others before you start making such claims as you just sound like a spammer/troll.
 
 
 
Steve
 
 
 

And before you mention I likened all the other standard drum vsti to toys not out of attitude or trolling but I personally feel that they are limited and basic and uninspiring they do a job but nothing out of the ordinary, but if other get satisfaction and are happy with their drum vsti, then its all good. For me MDrummer 5 is worlds ahead and it can be as natural sounding to my ears as any drummer or Sample based rompler type vsti. you have in-depth swing and humanisation options,  and it gives me much more creativity to experiment .
 

Melda makes products but the gui's are definitely their weak point. I'm sure mdrummer is amazing once you figure it out but one should not have to work that hard to figure out a drum program. I like the simplicity of SD3 although I dislike it's features and lack of sample control without digging through sfz codes. These days I mostly use geist and addictive drums.

I haven't heard back on my tkt that I opened yesterday w/Fxpansion. I would lean toward AD because my guitarist recommended them and he is "the man..." Mr. Markno999? But I'll probably DL some samples from them and Superior. 
 
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And another thing? As much as I've seen from Melda lately? It's like they have digital marketing folks on the forum... It makes me question the quality of their shiz overall... 
 
 

Agreed on the look not being great , but it does not overly bother me and I can be quite fussy about how stuff looks or is lay out, their are plenty of areas that could be layout better although I still manage to get good results as far as my limitations as a producer will allow me of course lol  and I have to admit their VST also excite me a little even if I cant always figure it all out I think they are fun to use and do have some great presets to get you started. 
 
Although at the end of the day it does not matter to much what I say overall as we all have different taste and preferences, all I do say is I hope that he finds his ideal drum VSTi, we all know what its like when we end up buying that what we end up hating or is uninspiring to ourselves , If it is a standard drum VSTi I would personally stick with Addictive drums, not the most feature packed with midi control mapping lacking for some areas, but it s straight forward, I am yet to take time to check out v2 . Although I will be getting anyhow, Always best to have a few Drum plugins, as well as MD I also have FXpansions Geist and then addictive drums, something for all situations , although Micro tonic 1-3 I have is a let down, great patterns but very ropey sound quality and to many unwanted artefacts in that sound, although that is suppose to be more EDM appropriate.
 
 
 
 

The Band19
I haven't heard back on my tkt that I opened yesterday w/Fxpansion.

 
So you only opened a ticket with fxpansion yesterday?
I don't understand how you can say they're 'boning' you when you only opened a ticket yesterday but then I'm not sure what you mean by, 'boning'
 
I thought you must have meant that they'd refused you an extra licence or that you hadn't heard back after weeks of trying. Given that you posted here on the same day you contacted fxpansion doesn't really give them much time.
As I said it's bank holiday weekend here in the UK so you may not here from them before Tuesday.
 
 
Steve

I use SD 2 and like the bleed options and all the mic options.  You can select close up or different rooms.  They are not reverbs but actual mic recordings.  
 
The bounce to audio feature is nice when you want to convert your multiout midi parts to actual wave files.  
 
It is very solid and responded better on my system than BFD2.  I down BDF2, AD, and EZDrummer.  I always go back to SD2.  My only complaint is that the mixer looks really small on my monitor.  I wish I could resize it.  

twaddle

Second) its all on individual preference and I am entitled to give my views  and that is what the poster has asked for - So no harm in saying what is my recommendation based on about 5 years usage not 20 mins on the MD small, so I will take that as Joke Right considering you would not have had the time to utilise much at all.

 
Of course you're entitled to give your view as am I and 20 minutes was plenty of time to hear how bad the samples were, how few articulations there were for kit pieces, how clunky and unintuitive the interface was.
Obviously I could spend time learning how to use it but it would take a very long time as there is no manual. There is a help page which is really badly laid out.
 

Third) As the thread poster asks What drum VST? In this short space of time in the evolution of such software in relation to man kind and computers, I am sure the first drums kits where not as advanced as they are today, what would have happened if that attitude you adopt was adopted by others back in that day and that's goes for most things really where would we be as a evolving civilisation in your way of thinking probably the dark ages.

 
??? The above makes no sense to me, what attitude?
You mean the one that's able to decipher quality against crap?
 

Fourth) I am not sure if you see me as an easy target on account of my post by comparison and you being stupidly presumptions of how long I have been into this, no matter how poor understanding may be of what some may try to help with they are only being genuine in their wish to help another fellow human being, I am a nice genuine guy , for all you know I could be 15 with dreams and aspirations and a heart full of goodness and you just slated me and made me feel awful for what ?

 
 
At what point did I presume how long you'd been in to it? I made no presumptions at all.
I said, "Perhaps it's the first and only drum vst you've ever used". The clue is in the word, "Perhaps"and is in no way a presumption. If it were I would have said, "Obviously it's the first and only drum vst you've ever used"
Do you see the difference? The words, 'Perhaps' and Obviously have very different meanings.
 
I was slating the software and not you, get over it and try not to take it so personally
 
 

By the way I have been with cakewalk since V6 so quite a few years now, I love my technology and hardware in great depth as with my DAWs and software and I say extremely into it

 
Great.
 
It's just when you say things like

you have not seen anything like or will we gain, its a secret weapon

and

s long as you take time to learn you will never ever think about another

and then to cap it all you say

all other drum vst are mere babies toys by comparison

 
In the last sentence you've pretty much insulted BFD Eco BFD2 & BFD3 Superior Drummer 2 and Addictive Drums and all their fans and users. It just made you sound like some second hand car salesman talking gas.
 
So after watching videos, and then downloading the demo I figured for you to have called the others mere babies had to be a joke. The OP has been using BFD2 which is way better than mdrummer in very department and since you own geist I'd have thought you'd have some idea of the quality of fxpansions product range. Also given that the OP has been using BFD2 my guess would be that he wants both real acoustic drums and access to all the control and realism that BFD2 can offer.
 
Most of the sounds I hear in mdrummer are synthesised drum machine sounds and really bad and dated ones at that.
The acoustic kits on their website sound usable but nothing special.
 
 
Steve
 
 
 
 
 

not an insult that is my opinion, although I do have a fondness for addictive Drums which is still really limited compared to MDummer and that is how I meant that, but in my eyes if you want to get really in-depth all others do seem like toys, okay they do a job but to me they feel more like toys for my personal need to tweak for originality, but for standard drum kit replication, nothing wrong with many of them in that sense, I do various genre of club music so I would think this way if I wanted more than a standard kit so just saying for those that wanted more options etc , MDrummer Its really fun once you pick it up with more room to expand your ideas than its competitors, that would have been best way to explain that so my apology's, but again if you looked at the bottom of my profile I still have links with using Addictive drums, so the toys part is just taken out of context of how I meant that. I personally can not see that comparison with MD as being Invalid if you know what MD can do and how deep its editing can be, I am not going to butter up how I speak and that being to the point of what I am thinking as long as it does not affect an individual in person, it looks to me like you just want to look for things to pick at and in my eyes it does also make you look like your just as bad as how you perceive me and you only homes in on one post with out reading my other where I had realised that it may come across wrong so I added a post to clear that up.   No harm done anyhow! I am not one that would jump on the bandwagon to protect MDrummer or what ever only to protect my character assassination, anyone is entitled to their views, fan boys just go way over the top and make things personal I do think like many others that fan boys can be OTT.
 
Anyhow its done and dusted confusion over I hope, and I don't feel any different in my views in regards to comparing MDrummer to these others . Although just to get this in I would not bring Fxpansions Geist or even machines Into equation as they offer different take on Drum Vsti,
although I could also say I think the Arturia virtual drum range of VSTi is quite good better than quite  a Few others I feel and I like Arturai spark etc although it still feels like a toy by comparison to MD(I refer to the editing capability's ) not the end result or overall sound, many Drum VSTi sound great.
 
Its okay don't take all this as a personal insult unless you think that I am justified after you think about it, again I apologies and also accept any coming my way.
 
 
 

Well, different people have different opinions? Your's is not necessarily the best? But it's yours? People are allowed to have different opinions, that's why I posted the question... People should have opinions, "not religion?" on these subjects. And yes, I was looking for people's opinions on Drum VSTs? I'm familiar w/BFD2, but I'm interested in peoples opinions on other options? Leaning toward AD at this point, but their demo didn't work w/Sonar? It was standalone only? It may have been what I picked/installed. I'm looking seriously @ their producer option (250 bux) and I like the fact that their package seems to be flexible? In that you can pick X, Y, and Z, and then you can add things as needed... It seems to me (as a non-customer yet?) to be a good way to do things.

 
"So you only opened a ticket with fxpansion yesterday?"
 

For the record? Still haven't heard from fxpansion... It's not yesterday?

Your post is now 3 days old. yesterday (day 2) you said,

I haven't heard back on my tkt that I opened yesterday w/Fxpansion.

 
That suggests to me that you opened a ticket with fxpansion on the same day you posted here accusing them of boning you or have I got that wrong?
As I said, it's a bank holiday weekend here in the UK so you would have been lucky to have had a response before Tuesday at the earliest.
 
Do you contact support via their website or email?
Their email is usually quicker I find.  techsupport@fxpansion.com
 
All I'm trying to say is don't abandon BFD2 which you seemed to be wanting to do in your initial post.
AD2 is an improvement on AD1 but I still don't think it's quite as good as BFD2 and quite some way behind BFD3.
 
Still, there's certainly no harm in having more than one drum vst.
I have 7 but I could quite happily get rid of all of them apart from BFD3.
 
 
Steve