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What the heck is going on over in England?
Everyone OK?
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/04 16:32:41
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My condolences to y'all. Chaos is winning.
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/04 17:04:43
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/06/05 13:17:39
Time we got angry now. Enough talking in mournful, hushed tones, enough candlelit vigils, flowers and teddy bears. We need to DO something. To paraphrase the much-missed Christopher Hitchens (who incidentally saw this coming years ago) - 'Up with this, we will not put''
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/04 17:10:04
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Huge respect to the police armed response team last night - from the first emergency call, to get to the scene (through packed London streets on a Saturday night), weigh it up, and take out all three perpetrators in 8 minutes is nothing short of astonishing.
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/04 17:36:11
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jamesg1213 Huge respect to the police armed response team last night - from the first emergency call, to get to the scene (through packed London streets on a Saturday night), weigh it up, and take out all three perpetrators in 8 minutes is nothing short of astonishing.
True that. Kudos.
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/04 19:47:26
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/04 19:51:50
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Edited. This will achieve nothing.
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/04 19:55:14
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/04 20:17:59
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/04 20:27:53
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2017/06/05 13:19:00
There is a wishy-washy mentality prevalent among a lot of "educated" middle class types in the UK - I know because I have a lot of them on my Facebook feed. To them, nothing will ever unshake their deeply held views of cultural relativity and the idea that every way of life is equally as valid as theirs. And they're so PC that not one of them shared a single comment of outrage or anger over last night's attack. Nor did they say a single word against the attack on pop-loving teenyboppers in Manchester last week. Most of them have kids of that age as well! The only reaction they EVER have to this kind of stuff is to share touchy-feely posts preaching peace and tolerance from people like George Takai. I mean I will take straight to Facebook and call these terrorists barbarians and savages and suggest that they should be thrown on a giant bonfire, but not one of them replies. Can't say anything because that would make them "intolerant".....of the ideology which has a clear plan laid out to kill them and their families and destroy their way of life. It makes me so effing mad I just want to unfriend them all sometimes. As for the police response time, well yes 8 minutes to kill the animals was quite good, but I hear a lot of people saying that the answer is to therefore recruit more police. Just how many innocents did the truck driving jihadist in Nice flatten before the cops managed to shoot him dead? Was it 70 or 80? I can't remember. So the government disarms us, point blank refuses to do anything about the thousands of known terrorists and extremists they have on watch lists, and then says well don't panic, our police are marvelous and they will protect you. It'll only take 8 minutes mind, so all bets are off until then. MADNESS.....
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/04 20:51:40
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sharke There is a wishy-washy mentality prevalent among a lot of "educated" middle class types in the UK - I know because I have a lot of them on my Facebook feed.
Thanks for making me laugh on at an otherwise dark time.
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/04 22:02:07
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Maybe this is just a test by the new world order to see who's already become sheep (like Sharke's FeckBook friends) and those they still need to reign in. Heck, gunmen shot up a hotel casino in Manila on Thursday and it barely got any news (one of my clients has staff in Manila which is how I learned about it).
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/04 22:32:36
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I'm not sure I know what wishy washy is supposed to mean. What are you suppose to do when a terrorist kills people and dies in the process? Attack his/her country of origin, attack similar religious/ethnic groups?
It seems to me the ones talking the toughest are usually the furthest from the front lines.
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/04 23:00:47
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i don't know about that tom- maybe they are furthest from the lines because they have placed more effective barriers against terrorism. i've had a gutsful of the week to week violence now
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/04 23:04:49
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Whoa... whole lotta straw up in here. Trust me, most of us liberturdos are just as disgusted and want to see it stopped as much as ya'll do.
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/05 00:21:48
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2017/06/05 07:25:19
tom1 I'm not sure I know what wishy washy is supposed to mean. What are you suppose to do when a terrorist kills people and dies in the process? Attack his/her country of origin, attack similar religious/ethnic groups?
It seems to me the ones talking the toughest are usually the furthest from the front lines.
You have it entirely wrong. Furthest from the front lines? I live in work in Manhattan, which not so long ago was hit by the worst terrorist attack this country has ever seen. In 2010 I walked right past an SUV loaded with explosives on 45th Street and got to 8th Avenue in time to hear the sirens and chaos behind me and the cops closing down the block, and watched a bomb disposal robot approach the vehicle. That bomb would have killed dozens and to this day I still think about the fact that it might have gone off as I was walking past. In addition to that, I take the rush hour subway in Manhattan several times a week and am always aware of the fact that I'm standing heel to toe in a train that these scumbags are probably thinking about targeting with a suicide attack all the time. In contrast, I have friends on Nantucket who are exactly of the "wishy washy" mentality I describe and have in the past criticized others for "being afraid" of terrorists. Yep, right there on Nantucket where there's about as much chance of a terrorist attack as there is of a volcano eruption. Don't even pretend to be unaware of the fact that we're dealing with a widespread religious cult, worldwide, whose express goal is to establish a global caliphate. And that many people in these communities have openly said that they would refuse to report extremists with terror links to the authorities. We're not condemning a race or an ethnicity or a nationality here, it's a set of ideas which a free thinking individual has the choice to follow or not. Therefore it is 100% ripe for condemnation. And the fact that so many people refuse to condemn it just proves that these terrorists have a pretty easy going outlook in front of them. The police know who most of them are, and after every attack we hear that the culprit was "known to police." They were probably known in their communities as well. But a combination of spineless PC and warped sense of loyalties means that they are able to plan and execute their carnage without a care in the world. Damn right I'm angry.
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/05 00:45:32
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☄ Helpfulby LaszloZoltan 2017/06/05 02:15:37
sharke ...on my Facebook feed.
Well there's yer problem. Basing world views on FB is like getting soft serve ice cream from a human centipede. I still lurves ya though.
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/05 00:53:10
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Beepster
sharke ...on my Facebook feed.
Basing world views on FB is like getting soft serve ice cream from a human centipede.
I don't see why though Beeps, they're just expressing the same opinions as they do in real life. Most of my friends on FB are extremely vocal about political issues and every day I scroll through a mile of posts about how evil the Tories are and a wealth of other political issues. If there's a big shooting in America - post after post condemning US culture. When there's a terrorist attack in Europe - nothing. Zilch. Total blackout.
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/05 00:59:45
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Well... people are generally vapid, self absorbed dumbasses. FB is an excellent loudspeaker for vapid, self absorbed dumbasses (and all sorts of agitprop designed to stir said dumbasses up). What I'm really trying to say is... Facebook sucks.
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/05 01:07:52
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Beepster Well... people are generally vapid, self absorbed dumbasses. FB is an excellent loudspeaker for vapid, self absorbed dumbasses (and all sorts of agitprop designed to stir said dumbasses up). What I'm really trying to say is... Facebook sucks.
I dunno, I guess it depends. I use it primarily to keep in contact with people back home. Then again I only have about 90 or so friends on there, I see others with 1000+ and I just think why??? You cannot possibly know or be interacting with all of those people.
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/05 01:14:07
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☄ Helpfulby Wibbles 2017/06/05 07:33:33
We're all angry.
I doubt even wishy washy people want terrorist attacks to happen.
Some angry people (not saying you) want to beat up the first Muslim they see. Some angry people (not saying you) want to storm Muslim neighborhoods. Some angry people (not saying you) want to prevent Muslims from traveling abroad.
I do not want to do any of the above. So, if that makes me wishy washy so be it.
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/05 01:17:25
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I originally set mine up (when it was new) mostly for the band stuff and now it is a way to just keep in touch with some people. But really... that's it and I rarely log in. It's simply clogged with far too much general stoopid and inanities I post just to let people know I'm still alive a couple times a year and toss a few messages back and forth between my closest friends. The "news" and "opinions" that get posted... just mind numbing drivel not worth the pixels they absorb.
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/05 01:42:59
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Beepster I originally set mine up (when it was new) mostly for the band stuff and now it is a way to just keep in touch with some people. But really... that's it and I rarely log in. It's simply clogged with far too much general stoopid and inanities I post just to let people know I'm still alive a couple times a year and toss a few messages back and forth between my closest friends. The "news" and "opinions" that get posted... just mind numbing drivel not worth the pixels they absorb.
I find that, like any social media, the trick to get the most out of it is to be super fussy about what appears on your feed. So I'm careful about which pages I like, and if a page starts posting garbage then I unlike it. Same thing with friends - if they're posting endless crap which clogs up my feed then I just "unfollow" them - no need to unfriend - so that they don't appear on it. I even did it to my own brother once when he was posting too many selfies, lol....
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/05 02:54:09
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☄ Helpfulby BobF 2017/06/05 13:22:47
tom1 We're all angry.
I doubt even wishy washy people want terrorist attacks to happen.
Some angry people (not saying you) want to beat up the first Muslim they see. Some angry people (not saying you) want to storm Muslim neighborhoods. Some angry people (not saying you) want to prevent Muslims from traveling abroad.
I do not want to do any of the above. So, if that makes me wishy washy so be it.
Yeah some angry people may want to do that but all the terrorist want to kill us not just some.
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/05 02:55:32
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I can only take maybe one minute on FB then I have to sign off. It's so annoying
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/05 08:14:14
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Well, isn't this nice that this has turned into a trivial discussion of Facebook? But I suppose it shows how people react to such atrocities: shocked, saddened and angered, and then they get on with their lives. The alternative is to live in fear, then the terrorists have won. Throughout my life the UK has always lived under the threat of terrorism, first with the IRA bombs (funded by Noraid dollars), now with these evil scumbags. But I don't want to be forced to carry an ID card, I don't want to see all our policemen armed and I strongly oppose the snooping powers the Government has already given itself. I live less than quarter of a mile from this bumhole (the male): http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/reading-berkshire-news/reading-couple-found-guilty-plotting-10663540. But his arrest and conviction have had zero negative impact on the relationships between the different faiths and races in my very multi-cultural community.
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/05 09:34:30
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tom1 We're all angry.
I doubt even wishy washy people want terrorist attacks to happen.
Some angry people (not saying you) want to beat up the first Muslim they see. Some angry people (not saying you) want to storm Muslim neighborhoods. Some angry people (not saying you) want to prevent Muslims from traveling abroad.
I do not want to do any of the above. So, if that makes me wishy washy so be it.
I totally agree. The most difficult thing in anti-terrorist actions is they're so darn difficult. It's like picking aside people who don't like mineral water. Anyone can fake liking mineral water. Somehow the actions should start from the top: All the religious leaders should actively speak against such acts, and leaders, who refuse to do so, should be treated more or less as terrorists. That's nowhere in sight, though, I believe. If shias and sunnis can't stop killing each other, how could we expect them to leave other believers in peace. Also, it's such an easy way for a self destructive, disturbed person to glorify ones deeds. It's cooler to commit suicide as a "martyr" than as a nut-case.
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/05 12:23:57
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I've got about as much chance of being directly affected by terrorism as someone living on Nantucket, but I weep at what's happening to the country I grew up in. I don't know what the answer is, but perhaps a start would be to remove from our streets the 3000 'persons of interest' that are known to the security services, and have them prove that they are not a threat to society. Talk of 'not letting them in' or 'sending them back to where they came from' is useless rhetoric, these are not refugees in disguise, they're not terrorists arriving from other countries, they are British citizens, born here. If we don't do something drastic, and soon, it won't be knives or ramming into people in vehicles, it'll be automatic weapons.
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/05 17:15:20
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Whats going on in the UK is that single people cant get a house unless filthy rich. Please, somebody wife me already :(
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Re: What the heck is going on over in England?
2017/06/05 17:20:50
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On a more serious note, I do have a very useful insight as to why a few people of my skin colour do what they do. Our parents tried to raise us to hate all the white people and be anti western. Well mine did. Maybe they succeeded too, but Im just too lazy to bother to go around stabbing people with a knife, and thats only because Im too dumb to figure out how to make things that go kaboom. Oh well, at least I have Call of Duty to get my fix of virtually killing everyone instead.
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