I'm only talking about your generalized statement above that implies everyone who posts in the CH are banded together to diss everything cake and gang up on those who have differing opinions.

Lets put this to rest right now. I did not imply that nor did I say that. I was talking about only two particular members. Most in the CH couldn't care less about what is written in the X1 forum. Some do and contribute a lot of useful posts.

Don't try to hang some anti CH on me. I just don't care for what I view as too much wasted space down there.

I wouldn't worry about it. We're not going to run out of internet.

I really like it. You can do some pretty extreme levelling and still get fairly transparent results. It's very good for vocals and wind instruments.

I think I'm kind of done for compressors now, mind you.

"southpaw3473"
Is the PC2A a good plugin?

Good enough for me to abuse it. Even on an acoustic upright bass. Mmmmmm. But I've been told that I'm not as discerning as some and the fact that I'm a dimbulb fanboi (certainly not as fanboi'sh as FBB...) doesn't help matters. Is there no hope for me? 

<sniff> <sniff>

John

I'm only talking about your generalized statement above that implies everyone who posts in the CH are banded together to diss everything cake and gang up on those who have differing opinions.

Lets put this to rest right now. I did not imply that nor did I say that. I was talking about only two particular members. Most in the CH couldn't care less about what is written in the X1 forum. Some do and contribute a lot of useful posts.

Don't try to hang some anti CH on me. I just don't care for what I view as too much wasted space down there.

http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?m=2532372
 
if you're going to take the time to write something please either stand behind what you've done or apologize and change.

  Censored... just because.  

Yeah, it's a bit of an odd one, that Coffee House thread. I don't find it interesting myself, so I mostly just don't participate. Seems a bit rum to rock up somewhere like that and lecture people for having the wrong sort of fun, or whatever.

FWIW, the hot news is VST3.5.

VST 3.0 was last year.

:-)

Personally, I regard the past 2 years as having been wasted on ProChannel while the rest of the world evolves.




I posted a link to DAWbench a few weeks ago and it shows how a Cubase, a VST3 host is running circles around ProTools with it's native dsp processing efficiencies.

SONAR used to walk circles around Cubase.

3 years ago all the hot shot users were curious about this benchmark but a few weeks ago no one left here at the X1 forum seemed to have any interest in how SONAR compares in that bench marking test.


I, for better or for worse, maintain the opinion that SONAR remains the best overall DAW... but I expect it to continue improving in a timely manner, especially with regards to the fixing of the bugs that have become institutionalized within SONAR.

I spent money in good faith and each and every year I have observed that a lot of stuff wasn't fixed. I've read promises that the stuff is on the list to get fixed. But it isn't fixed yet.

I'm still waiting and keeping my license up to date and I'm hoping that Roland will keep those promises.

I doubt that manufacturing dsp plugins for an arbitrarily limited number of potential customers is going to aide the development of SONAR the DAW.

The self imposed practice of only selling to some arbitrarily limited number of customers will probably not support the long term efforts of the dsp development either. Sooner or later somebody at Cakewalk is going to decide that the rest of the world's money is worth trying to earn.

Roland has demonstrated in the past 4 years that they don't really know what customers are willing to pay for... that's why the company is valued so poorly. There is actually a market, and it is much bigger than this forum, and it has spoken. The news isn't good.



Roland makes these fancy expensive keyboards... that are totally outclassed by SONAR running Kontakt on any old generic controller. Roland hasn't figured out how to offer a top of the line keyboard that doesn't seem outdated, because, the keyboards are in fact, dated. If you are not running SONAR and Kontakt you are not getting the best sound.

Roland makes really expensive Vdrums, the best of the breed... but the sound is totally outclassed by SONAR running Kontakt. Roland hasn't figured out how to offer a top of the line drum kit that doesn't seem outdated, because, the Roland drum kit sound modules are in fact, yesterdays news. If you are not running SONAR and Kontakt you are not getting the best sound.

Roland makes a new visual music editor...that only works with 16bit files. The visual editor concept seems novel but a 16bit limitation is arbitrary and anachronistic.
  

Roland makes the best overall DAW on the market, but it doesn't seem to understand how close it is to achieving bona fide excellence. It seems to think that it can spend another 10 or 15 years working without capitalizing on the near miss potential that it as right here, right now. 


Roland seems to be floundering by attempting to offer customers more and more top level convenience rather than a commitment to deep feature functionality, and unfortunately it seems that this is because Roland representatives don't seem to think that it's customers want or are even aware of deep feature, or if you will "white paper", functionality.

For example; I think the fact that we had to wait to 2011 for good drag and drop functionality (1 of the 4 key virtues listed in the improvements description) is frustrating. The fact that drag and drop was half baked for 12+ years doesn't frame the realization of it's current implementation as a great improvement. It's just something most people expected 12 years ago that finally got fixed up. Yeah, it's convenient. I paid for it back then, I got it now. Is it really hard to imagine why and how I can expect better service than that?

I'm still interested in investing in the best DAW I know of... and I hope Roland will reinvigorate an effort to maximize the attention to detail required to take SONAR past the point at which it seems stalled and on towards a future of service as the very best example of what a single free standing DAW can be.

I think the explanation written by Bob Currie is a great demonstration of  Roland treating it's customers as if they really do want to enjoy deep feature, or if you will "white paper", functionality. Thanks again Bob, your gesture restored some hope in my mind that Roland can regard its customers with respect rather than as mere consumers of product.



I'm saving all that money I didn't spend on ProChannel plugins in my fun money budget, perhaps Roland and Cakewalk can figure out something good for me to do with it.

best regards,
mike

Excuse please.

Is/was this thread about the PC2A compressor or is it about the cost factor/VST3(.5)/why constrain markets scenario?

Would it not be better in it's own thread?

I simply don't understand your confusion or denial maybe? my point is that you need to stop belittling those who post in the coffee house. it's a form of abuse. everyone there has a right to post within the confines of the TOS. as do you - but posts like the one linked to above and the implication that Mike & JB are tag teaming you just because they "hang out" in the CH is absurd.

There is nothing abusive in any of my posts. Saying that there is will not make it so.

You should read the TOS. You will find that often you guys do violate it.

Please don't try to pick a fight with me. Because I am not going to answer.

You should not feel so upset if what I posted there were not true. Maybe I hit a nerve.

John

I simply don't understand your confusion or denial maybe? my point is that you need to stop belittling those who post in the coffee house. it's a form of abuse. everyone there has a right to post within the confines of the TOS. as do you - but posts like the one linked to above and the implication that Mike & JB are tag teaming you just because they "hang out" in the CH is absurd.

You should not feel so upset if what I posted there were not true. Maybe I hit a nerve.

It's not so much that what you posted was true or not, it's the fact that you felt compelled to say something like that in the first place. What on Earth is wrong with you attacking people like that unprovoked. I understand you and I, and well, you and a lot of people, get in to it sometimes and things are said, but I've never been compelled while sitting at my PC to sit down and write something like that out of the blue.

Ya goofed bigtime this time John. Bigtime.

You should be banned ... but it won't happen, so don't worry.

 

I really do not want to see anyone banned here.

I'd rather prefer to see the discussion come back to PC2A ...

Bub

John

I simply don't understand your confusion or denial maybe? my point is that you need to stop belittling those who post in the coffee house. it's a form of abuse. everyone there has a right to post within the confines of the TOS. as do you - but posts like the one linked to above and the implication that Mike & JB are tag teaming you just because they "hang out" in the CH is absurd.

You should not feel so upset if what I posted there were not true. Maybe I hit a nerve.

It's not so much that what you posted was true or not, it's the fact that you felt compelled to say something like that in the first place. What on Earth is wrong with you attacking people like that unprovoked. I understand you and I, and well, you and a lot of people, get in to it sometimes and things are said, but I've never been compelled while sitting at my PC to sit down and write something like that out of the blue.

Ya goofed bigtime this time John. Bigtime.

You should be banned ... but it won't happen, so don't worry.

Why are you posting this here? BTW if its true then it can't be an attack which it isn't.

FastBikerBoy


Wow. I leave the internet alone for a few hours while I fix a water leak on my van and look what happens............

See what happens when you go away?