As a PC Fanboi I can state that so far I have seen very few problems with the PC, if any, or none that spring to mind. I'm not denying that they exist but I don't see them here so the conclusion that the whole concept is broken is a bit of an agenda leap.

Having said that I rarely use presets, other than a couple of blank starting points that I've saved myself. I did try Freddie's recipe though on another thread but I didn't see the behaviour that he is.

I'm afraid that the anti PC brigade (or should that be person?) is for some reason never going to 'get' the convenience aspect which apart from them sounding great is the main reason I buy, use, and will continue to buy and use modules as and when they are released and I think they'll be useful for me.

Okay boys, take the gun away from my head now and promise me the cat's safe until the next release.

FastBikerBoy


As a PC Fanboi I can state that so far I have seen very few problems with the PC, if any, or none that spring to mind. I'm not denying that they exist but I don't see them here so the conclusion that the whole concept is broken is a bit of an agenda leap.

Having said that I rarely use presets, other than a couple of blank starting points that I've saved myself. I did try Freddie's recipe though on another thread but I didn't see the behaviour that he is.

I'm afraid that the anti PC brigade (or should that be person?) is for some reason never going to 'get' the convenience aspect which apart from them sounding great is the main reason I buy, use, and will continue to buy and use modules as and when they are released and I think they'll be useful for me.

Okay boys, take the gun away from my head now and promise me the cat's safe until the next release.

Perhaps the person or persons that remain unnamed is/are waiting for a module that they/he/her can not pass up! One that changes the whole game. One that can't be gotten anywhere else.

CW will call it the MM for Mike Module! Than Mike can lead the PC anonymous program.

Bristol_Jonesey


I can't believe the level of absurdity people will go to in order to express their continuing displeasure over a feature they don't even own.

I feel sorry for newbies and potential customers reading threads like this - if ever they wanted a justified reason to go and shop somewhere else, this is it.

I have the same view. I also wonder how it could happen when the person was so thoughtful in the past and acting in the best interest of new users.

 The discussion was supposed to be about our thoughts on the PC2A leveling amplifier. For the most part this is what the thread was about until two individuals showed up. John you are one of those and Mike was the other. Neither of you offered up anything about the subject at hand. 
  First Mike made sure he told all of us that he bought the PC but never used it....how this relates to the PC is beyond me. Secondly he has issues with pricing which is once again not related to this thread subject...even though Cake is a bargain when comparing it to the other DAWs. If you want something comparable to Reaper,then you would not be buying Sonar X1 Producer.

 Secondly John has issues with PC in general and questioned the use of VST 2.4 which was adressed even though it has no direct bearing on the PC2A module....whats next guys?? Don't like the colors?? Oh, thats right,neither of you actually use PC.

 If the same level of scrutiny you use to judge the PC were used in any other product, nothing would ever go to market and/or the product makers would have already suggested you look elsewhere.

 John the fact that you are surprised that someone would object is laughable.

 Meanwhile the rest of the contented user base,probably something like 99.99% will be enjoying our new toys.
 

 

Meanwhile the rest of the contented user base, probably something like 99.99% will be enjoying our new toys.

I think you've probably hit the nail on the head in this one sentence.

Generally speaking this thread has had its moments.

 The ideas being shared amongst us was more enlightening in terms of usage and how one can, in fact, use the PC for its intended purpose. And I, for one, appreciate that.

lfm

Bristol_Jonesey


I can't believe the level of absurdity people will go to in order to express their continuing displeasure over a feature they don't even own.

I feel sorry for newbies and potential customers reading threads like this - if ever they wanted a justified reason to go and shop somewhere else, this is it.

I think you are mostly oversensitive to criticism against Cake.

My view reading this thread is the opposite - heartwarming even - PC2A plugged right in kind of.

I felt really bad how X1 came out as it was released - and now it's basically turned around and the appreciation for PC and Expanded and stuff. Me being a fan of independenct non-proprietary stuff like Studio version approach more - but still.

I like Cakewalk Sonar but fear it might come up short in comparison with more and more competitors satisfying only demand for PC stuff. If anybody is having criticism let that just be a healthy refreshener for Cake to be on their toes and not something that tears down the whole building - because it's not.

Just letting all fanbois veiw come through will certainly not impress visitors looking at switching to Sonar. It is really insulting the intelligence of visitors. They can read and think and draw their own conclusions too.

If someone is just bashing it shows. There will be no motivation for their criticism or explaining why they feel the way they do.

If this place were striktly moderated by Cake to only have praise come through - criticism would really show up on other places instead.

Cake keep up the good work - and don't forget about the basic daw Studio version.

I have no problem with criticism when it has merit. I do have a big problem with those few that have only one view and none other.  Also your use of the word fanbois is insulting and is nothing more than name calling.

I have not seen such a person on this forum. One that is blind to problems or short comings. Yet that word is used whenever a basher needs defending. 

This thread was about what users thought about the T type module and here we have a person come in and defend a basher while stating he is not defending him. He has no way to evaluate the module yet he acts as if his opinion is relevant. 

Keep in mind that Jonbouy and Mike hang out together in the CH.  I wouldn't be surprised if they hung out elsewhere.  

And why was Mike's total costing of the current module suite (which he has now verified and has since been unchallenged) allowed to be held up to mindless ridicule by a pair of completely unreasonable advocates when it was actually in the right ball-park and has since been corrected by $79?

Price is a major concern for all but the most indiscriminate buyers, and a completely customer oriented issue.

LOL I wasn't talking about you IFM. Sorry if you felt under scrutiny. Not my intention.

John




Keep in mind that Jonbouy and Mike hang out together in the CH.  I wouldn't be surprised if they hung out elsewhere.  

Please tell me how that is relevant to anything?
 
are you saying that everyone who "hangs out in the Coffee House" is of one voice regarding X1, PC and modules?  I think you're over simplifying at best and stereotyping with lack of vision and diversity at worst.
 
unprovoked you have attacked those who post in the CH simply by association of those who you disagree with on subjects related to cake's software and policies.  (for those reading this reply John has not only attacked here in this thread, but also has attacked with a new thread in the coffee house claiming all who post there are posting useless, inane, "idiotic banter").
 
do not speak for me John.  I post in the CH (and I'm at a complete loss why it would bother you so much that anyone would) and I do not agree with a lot of what Mike and Jon have to say about X1 and PC and modules.  and yes, they know how I feel about it and we've discussed it and we can still be civil with each other and not attack each other over it.  can't say the same thing about you.

Beagle

John




Keep in mind that Jonbouy and Mike hang out together in the CH.  I wouldn't be surprised if they hung out elsewhere.  

Please tell me how that is relevant to anything?
 
are you saying that everyone who "hangs out in the Coffee House" is of one voice regarding X1, PC and modules?  I think you're over simplifying at best and stereotyping with lack of vision and diversity at worst.
 
unprovoked you have attacked those who post in the CH simply by association of those who you disagree with on subjects related to cake's software and policies.  (for those reading this reply John has not only attacked here in this thread, but also has attacked with a new thread in the coffee house claiming all who post there are posting useless, inane, "idiotic banter").
 
do not speak for me John.  I post in the CH (and I'm at a complete loss why it would bother you so much that anyone would) and I do not agree with a lot of what Mike and Jon have to say about X1 and PC and modules.  and yes, they know how I feel about it and we've discussed it and we can still be civil with each other and not attack each other over it.  can't say the same thing about you.

Perhaps it isn't. I believe that its odd that Jonbouy came in after Mike posted and when Mike was getting criticized. It looked to me like a tag team.

Beagle when have I ever attacked you?

Jonbouy


Excellent points lfm.

The strange thing is that nobody has even noticed that I advocate the idea of PC in their attacks on me personally rather than the points I made.

For me DSPs being more integrated into the host app is likely the way of the future as DAW development has pretty much reached a plateau, and in order for DAW makers to secure incomes in the future I can see it is the way to go.  More integrated functionality between host and processing module is bound to follow.

Noel clarified but I have had my doubts whether basing that additional functionality around a technology that is frankly a bit long in the tooth is a good policy.  As I said Noel seems to think they have that covered and that was a good enough response as far as I'm concerned.

That and the total unit cost of the current module collection I see as being perfectly valid points of discussion given the topic.

And like you say lfm criticisms that get addressed here are far less damaging than the ones that turn up on competitors forums when users leave because their concerns didn't get addressed.

And if people 'are happy playing with their toys' as was suggested why the need to come back and downplay concerns being expressed by those not as happy.

 
 
 This is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about...you openly implied that the use of 2.4 was somehow behind the times,old. If this is true then so are many other DAWS. Instead of asking why 2.4 was used you are quick to jump on the insinuation that it is old and behind the game.
 
 This doesn't work...that is old therefore inferior etc etc. just adds fuel to the fire. In fact this could not be further from the truth.

It's PC gone mad.

John

Beagle

John




Keep in mind that Jonbouy and Mike hang out together in the CH.  I wouldn't be surprised if they hung out elsewhere.  

Please tell me how that is relevant to anything?

are you saying that everyone who "hangs out in the Coffee House" is of one voice regarding X1, PC and modules?  I think you're over simplifying at best and stereotyping with lack of vision and diversity at worst.

unprovoked you have attacked those who post in the CH simply by association of those who you disagree with on subjects related to cake's software and policies.  (for those reading this reply John has not only attacked here in this thread, but also has attacked with a new thread in the coffee house claiming all who post there are posting useless, inane, "idiotic banter").

do not speak for me John.  I post in the CH (and I'm at a complete loss why it would bother you so much that anyone would) and I do not agree with a lot of what Mike and Jon have to say about X1 and PC and modules.  and yes, they know how I feel about it and we've discussed it and we can still be civil with each other and not attack each other over it.  can't say the same thing about you.

Perhaps it isn't. I believe that its odd that Jonbouy came in after Mike posted and when Mike was getting criticized. It looked to me like a tag team.

Beagle when have I ever attacked you?

you don't remember? 
 
at this point I'm not talking about you attacking me personally.  I'm only talking about your generalized statement above that implies everyone who posts in the CH are banded together to diss everything cake and gang up on those who have differing opinions.  but also including the attack in the Coffee House where you state that everyone who posts there is only on this forum to post silly and idiotic banter and to "steal" "opportunities to enlighten" ... "by a few that have absolutely nothing to say."
 
regardless of the silly and inane posts that I do make in the CH (which don't affect or involve you in any way, so I'm at a loss as to why you feel the need to complain about it), I make just as many if not more helpful posts to other forums.  usually not as much in the X1 forum because there are many knowledgable people here already helping others.  I post mainly in the other forums where there is less traffic and less opportunity for people to get the help they need. 
 
however, if you wish to bring up the past, we have also had disagreements over the Coffee House posts before regarding when cake mods move threads from here to there.  it seems to be an obsession with you to belittle those who post in the CH and those are, IMO, insults to people whom you don't understand and have no desire to understand.