mike_mccue



Don't worry I keep a plastic cover on the couch when you are not here.

Mooch would (probably) recommend that you keep in the couch when I Am there.

I have to admit that velor couch is darned comfy.

Beagle


very interesting, Michael and I am not necessarily arguing with you, but proposing some scenerios similar to your objections of the term "musician"

you didn't specifically state anything regarding a vocalist only falling into the category of "musician" or "non-musician."  what are your views on a vocalist only who uses BIAB or "loops" to construct a song and record vocals on?  in other words, using BIAB or loops to construct the song as a backing track for the vocalist to sing along with (well, either live or recording I guess wouldn't matter)?

First off Reece as I made it clear that we all make our own determinations of defining what a musician is...there is nothing to argue about.
Secondly I made no objections to how others define the word and in fact pointed out that we may all have different reasons for making
the determination.

I didn't state anything about a vocalist because I don't refer to them as a musician. I refer to them as vocalist and my opinion of BIAB was
very clear. I said nothing of a musician messing with recording tools. I specifically stated a person with a computer and BIAB.
I feel you may be trying to twist my statements so let me make it very clear, again. I do not consider somebody using a PC and BIAB a musician.
I do not refer to vocalist as musicians. I call them a vocalist. If they can play an instrument when I refer to them I will state they are a vocalist and then mention that they also play an instrument.  I've stated many times....so and so is a vocalist and also plays bass.

The definition that you may have is yours....I'll put my simply....as in real life situations that I have experienced and lived...not what
an opinion for print might be.

You and and another musician are talking about forming a group.....the question is very simple...one asks, "do you know any musicians to call?".  Well I have never had computers or programmers enter that scenario. They have always been somebody that could play an instrument.
When the musicians were needed and usually found- none could carry a tune....the question would be, " say, do ya know any vocalists?"

Pretty darn easy Reece.  You and I may call ourselves anything we  want...other musicians will determine if a person is one and to what level of musicianship one has....and as I previously stated , their determination may be based on more than ones ability to play.

Michael - I had no intention of twisting your words at all.  I was just asking your opinion of a specific example.  I have no malice toward you for anything you've said (typed!) even if your definition of a musician is different than mine. 

again - this is just a discussion - I'm not trying to do anything to your opinion except asking you to discuss it!  or not.  if you don't feel like continuing the discussion you could always yell "becan!!!" and point the other way and I'll probably run after it like a stupid mutt who doesn't realize you didn't throw any becan over there! 

since you differentiate between "vocalists" and "musicians," would it matter if a vocalist has a degree in music?  if a vocalist could tell you that the chord you're playing is actually an A9 instead of an A2 - does that still make that person a "vocalist" and not a musician?

again - I'm NOT trying to twist your words or make you look foolish.  I'm truly interested in your opinion - even tho it may be different than mine, so please don't take it that way.  if you don't want to participate, that's fine, too, just ignore my question or tell me to "becan off!" 

Ive had female vocalists who wouldn't even roll up a mic cord or help strike gear, saying "that's the musicians job"

so vocalist ˜ musician

mmmmm...nice can of worms you have here...

uuummmmm...I'll go with a slight point here...I "play" keyboards, guitar, some sax..and I do use my voice...but my primary job is in healthcare...I do not "see" myself as a "musician" simplly because I am not a professional in that sense..OK..maybe in my past I was...bar bands and such.

In model railroading there is a distinction made between a model railroader and a collector...one models a railroad while the other is collecting the locomotives...two completely different beasties...

 
I find myself agreeing that a musician is 'someone who makes music', and maybe also with a qualifying descriptor 'Pro', 'Bedroom', 'Gigging' etc.
 
Probably what's more important is how others pigeon-hole you - "Self praise is no recommendation" as my dear old Grandma used to say.
 
Wise lady, my Gran
 
 

let's get back to this "I've had female vocalists" thing...

I half expect our Mr Bouy to ask "who here hasn't..."

but bapu probably sensed that.

musicman100

trimph1


mmmmm...nice can of worms you have here...

uuummmmm...I'll go with a slight point here...I "play" keyboards, guitar, some sax..and I do use my voice...but my primary job is in healthcare...I do not "see" myself as a "musician" simplly because I am not a professional in that sense..OK..maybe in my past I was...bar bands and such.

In model railroading there is a distinction made between a model railroader and a collector...one models a railroad while the other is collecting the locomotives...two completely different beasties...

BUT does not a collector collect models sometimes and run them on his model RR track? BUT

Depends a lot on who they think they are as well...some brass collectors do have rather large layouts..but others have display cases... 

edit..adding and dropping letters as I go...

mike_mccue


but bapu probably sensed that.

There are those here who are sure I sense nothing. I've sensed that in the past.

Beagle

I'm afraid what you're describing is neither "vocalist" nor "musician" 

 
that's a "Bapu" 

Bapu'd

The word "musician" can cover a lot of ground when you add the word "wanna-be" in front of it.

Plus, biking is great exercise.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  And when we catch that guy, he's going to have a lot to answer for.

when you can stand up in front of a club full of people, and do it live...

then, you're a musician.