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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/15 23:47:02
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Believe me, Keith... despite the wining or lazy non-reading of a few... nearly every one of us is also excited and loves the passion you've been pouring into "X", the new forum, and our connected universe! I remeber when it wasn't so... and you've made many artists extremely happy to be a part of the family. I use to dream of what is possible today... Thank you, all! 
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 00:23:24
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The irony in all of this is that me and many others on this board knew of craig from his articles on synths for various publications.
I'm also literally laughing out loud that cakewalk should replace synths like Z3ta with synthedit products. I do agree it is a good idea to grab some indie developers. Z3ta was a result of them grabbing an indie developer, but intentionally going after synthedit developers is like hiring someone with an ez bake oven to make your wedding cake. Don't get me wrong, there have been some good creations made on synthedit, but most are throwaways.
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 00:24:04
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vladasyn
Anderton, I am glad that you have such a wide experience with electronic music and synths. It does not show from your forum avatar. Also it is confusing- if you work for Cakewalk, may be you consider to have "Cakewalk" instead of "Forum Host" under your picture, this way we would know. It is great that somebody knows about electronic music, it would be even better if this person was software developer. I have a lot of love for EDM and can program sounds, but I can not make my own software. "Bakers" to me are people who make software- nothing else is matter when it comes to software features. You either know how to make them or not. Electronic music value is not only in dance. It can be anything. You can use any drums and combine any types of instruments. The value is in technology. Before Massive, not many people heard sounds used in Dubstep now days. With introduction of distortion in software synths it became possible. We want to know where technology can take us and what can be discovered and invented in the future. Checking what is new on the market is not the same as making innovations. I would like to see Cakewalk hires real talents and innovators who will move progress of computer music.
Several of the people we recently hired studied Electronic Production & Design at Berklee (they called it Music Synthesis when I was in the major). I bring up those recent additions to Cakewalk since that major tends to have tons of people innovating all different areas of electronic music. These folks are all insanely talented musicians and very smart people. Many of them have chops in a variety of areas that I would challenge others would aspire to obtain. I'm personally not a big EDM guy... I'm more into video game soundtracks to be honest and couldn't stand next to these guys without embarrassing myself on stage or in the studio. I'm okay with it though, I've found other things that challenge me. I'm a nerd. Maybe some of the newer guys will be the next Keith's and Noel's. Maybe we're already doing exactly what you think we "should" be doing. :) I don't necessarily disagree with your sentiment regarding seeking out talent for innovation. Tell people to apply!! It does kinda seem like you're picking on the wrong people though. I helped revamp the forum, rebuild the website, rolls out forum hosts, create a new delivery system, etc. There were others involved as well who did some pretty brilliant work. I do not program SONAR and DSP though, so what difference does it make to you? You gotta have people with different skills to make anything happen. You're sort of suggesting we spent all this time rebuilding how we distribute the "same" product. You clearly don't know the half of it though. We - built entirely new versions of SONAR with a ton of new features that are powerful and well thought out and based on a TON of feedback FROM the community - designed an entirely new way of selling our software while also not alienating our long standing customers (also based in feedback FROM the community) - designed an entirely new way to distribute, update and support our software via Cakewalk Command Center - rebuilt our entire website, online store, registration, sign on, delivery and authorization systems from the ground up COMPLETELY to support new these new products Honestly, I think we're in the middle of some pretty cool stuff that will make the innovations in our DAW and instruments much easier to support. Tell people to apply. It's a great time to work for Cakewalk.
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 00:50:23
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There are a lot of things that Sonar does right when it comes to electronic music production. It feels like a hardware studio emulator, more so than anything else, especially ableton which feels entirely like software.
There are also a lot of things it does wrong, like allowing the step sequencer and groove quantizer to break and having generally very haywire midi behavior.
zeta+ isn't bad or grainy or anything, it's exceptional especially for how old it is, in the pre-Massive era it was the most popular soft synth in drum&bass, a genre where they are rather picky about synths.
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vladasyn
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 00:55:42
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Keith, thank you for your reply. We all using Cakewalk software for years and tell everybody about it. We love it. So thank you for the great work. I would like to know what we missing that users of Abelton or BitWig have. But it would be fantastic to see new features that no other DAW has. To be specific, few of the interesting innovations are: Cthulhu chord memorizer and player http://www.xferrecords.com/products/cthulhu SquaredHeads Nora https://www.squaredheads.com/programa.php RapidComposer http://rapidcomposer.com/ Catanya VST MIDI Arpeggiator Plugin http://www.7aliens.com/catanya-arpeggiator I am not posting software synths. Just the tools that help make music. I need a tool that would help enter chords in to a MIDI track. I have to draw chords note by note in Staff or Piano roll, and it takes entire evening to enter 32 measures of chords. I can play them, but I can not play all of them exactly on time which is requited to triggers arpeggiators in software synths. Is Sonar could offer a tool that would just select "A minor, D minor", and so on and fill the piano roll with chords for me, I would be happiest person. There are guitar tabs in Staff mode, I believe or used to be. We need to be able to populate Piano roll with chords. Hope it will be possible one day. It would save us many nights of repetitive work.
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 01:07:35
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vladasyn
I do not own Abeltom Live, or Bitwig, so I can not give specific examples of what "other" DAW offers. But I know that it offers cool things that Sonar does not have. Why not research what it is that attracts users to other DAW and make the same or better options? I recently bought Nora arpeggiator. It is a nice tool. In their manual, they had step by step for Logic and Abelton. When I contacted them and asked if it would work on Sonar- they had no idea and said- nobody uses Sonar. Sonar is good to capture live musicians playing, like guitarists, vocalists and drummers. It is not good in making music out of nothing. Taking noise and converting it in to music, such as desktop electronica, dubstep, trance, progressive and so on Sonar is no good. How would I attract new kids to buy Sonar? I would offer functionality young generation needs. Music production technique changes, and Sonar is behind.
Technically, Sonar is better for electronic music than either ableton or logic because it has an integrated step sequencer. It doesn't work as of x3e, but it did at one point and can probably be fixed. Production techniques don't really change. They are much of the same thing as they were 10, 15 years ago. Synthesis changes, I guess, as well as effects processing, but that's outside of the realm of a DAW. You need to get your own modules. I often watch production sessions in ableton and logic. I never see the other guys do anything I can't do in sonar, mainly because I use the same instruments and effects. There is exactly one thing ableton (but not logic) can do that sonar can't: group multiple synths in a rack and make macro knobs out of them. Currently you can only macro your effects in Sonar. Hopefully they listen to me and improve on that. I never used this particular arp but it probably works like the others: in its plugin properties, set it to be configured as a synth, open it in the synth rack, activate its midi output. then you will see its output in your synth tracks. just send your midi to the arp and it will forward it to the synths.
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 01:09:32
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I don't normally get into these kinds of debates, but this I couldn't pass by. Anderton
In many ways SONAR was ahead of the time with music production. Dim Pro could run four REX files simultaneously and pull out the MIDI files for jumbling long before Reason's OctoRex.
HyperSonic 2 crushed DimPro in terms of sound design and feature richness. I bought them both in 2007 with my first copy of Sonar. And today, the words "Dimension Pro" and "ahead of the time" look laughable in the same sentence.
The Matrix view is the only other view that resembles what Live can do.
So your example of being "ahead of the time" can be best described by a comparison to another product that's been around for years?
Every MIDI track has an arpeggiator.
An arpeggiator that cannot be automated or even disabled mid-song. So unless you intend to have an instrument play the same pattern the entire song, it's pretty darn useless. And doesn't it rub you the wrong way that all these examples of being "ahead of the time" are from version 8.5 (2009) or older? And in many important ways, Sonar is still behind. No tempo track, no ability to auxes/sends next to the tracks that feed them (they're confined to a separate pane for no good reason - this limitation is unique to Sonar). ACT is a nightmare compared to controller bindings in StudioOne. Remember this mess? It's still there!  Freeze still doesn't work sensibly (frozen plugins become bypassed, not immutable). ProChannel seems innovative as an integrated channel strip, but it's just a bunch of VST plugins underneath, except they're crippled in that they can only appear in Sonar and only in ProChannel, forcing constant switches between the track strip and ProChannel in the inspector (which, of course, require an inefficient mouse action). The docked console does not size itself cleanly, but is simply the usual mixing view that the user manually sizes. Neither Cubase nor S1 are this sloppy. And all this while the company chases its own tail with features that become deprecated one release later. Like Beatscape. Or X2's track lanes. Or the 3rd-party guitar amp du jour. Even without the bugs, when it comes to the core production experience, Sonar is behind.
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 01:14:58
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☄ Helpfulby vladasyn 2015/01/16 01:31:53
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Is Sonar could offer a tool that would just select "A minor, D minor", and so on and fill the piano roll with chords for me, I would be happiest person. There are guitar tabs in Staff mode, I believe or used to be. We need to be able to populate Piano roll with chords. Hope it will be possible one day. It would save us many nights of repetitive work.
Write your melody or notes in the piano roll. Select one or more notes. Then, go to Process > Run CAL. There, you will see chords. They are not all there, but most of them are. Just select the kind of chord you want. Your chord will appear in the piano roll, with the same length as your notes. I have been making hiphop, d&b, house and techno for 10 years in sonar and I have this stuff all figured out, just ask me if you have any questions
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 01:18:06
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☄ Helpfulby Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk] 2015/01/16 02:17:05
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An arpeggiator that cannot be automated or even disabled mid-song. So unless you intend to have an instrument play the same pattern the entire song, it's pretty darn useless.
The arpeggiator is automatable. Open up the automation tab of the midi track, the parameters are in the drop down menu, just above MIDI. Press CTRL+I to switch between the prochannel and the channel strip. Press ALT+SHIFT+5 to access the tempo track. Or, open it from the Project View menu (not the Track View menu).
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 01:21:39
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Spencer
yevster
An arpeggiator that cannot be automated or even disabled mid-song. So unless you intend to have an instrument play the same pattern the entire song, it's pretty darn useless.
The arpeggiator is automatable. Open up the automation tab of the midi track, the parameters are in the drop down menu, just above MIDI.
Press CTRL+I to switch between the prochannel and the channel strip.
Wow, you're right! But only on a MIDI track, not a MIDI tab of an instrument track. Facepalm.
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 01:21:45
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Ryan, thank you for your reply. I understand you have a lot of work to do to change the way you distribute your product, but new web store or web site or forum have nothing to do with the software functionality. We goy slightly off the topic- my title says- it would be helpful to know more about the team and know when experience the teas, in order to fell comfortable to sign up for the subscription-based service and pay ahead for the features that may or may not be released one day. Thank you for explaining your vision. I am touched by the response and about to go and pay my due and order my New Sonar. The complaints are related to the feeling of disappointment when you realize that after paying the money, there will be no immediate inspiration and improvement. Also I can but new toys from 3rd party any time, it would be nice if Cakewalk offered something that would blow away Abelton and others. And what are they having in it that makes it so popular? What ever it is- we like to have it so nobody can tell us- our software is outdated. You are right- I do not use all features- I only use what I need to do what I am doing. The good thing about Sonar is that VST support is stable. The bad thing is- MIDI works poorly. Can you explain why the Beat Tweaker starts playing suddenly when I am working on another track with another output assigned to different plugin? Why the midi signal leaking to other MIDI tracks? I try that blue button in every position. The other day I had few instances of Nemesis, and MIDI data from the MIDI tracks was triggering wrong MIDI instruments. That is so distractive.
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 01:23:53
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Also, Ctrl+I doesn't work on a simple instrument track that's in the Midi tab, but indeed that's a much less severe deficiency. Thanks!
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 01:26:32
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☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2015/01/16 09:03:30
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Wow, you're right! But only on a MIDI track, not a MIDI tab of an instrument track. Facepalm.
Right click on your instrument track and select Split Instrument track. As an advanced user, I do not recommend using instruments tracks, they are overly simplified. Instead, when I open up an instrument, I select audio track, midi track, and track folder. You can collapse the folder when you are done, and it takes up no more room than the instrument track. The drawback is that you can't have folders within folders, but I'm sure they're gonna fix that. Right, Cakewalk? Right? I answered your question about the tempo track above, if you didn't see it. What problems are you having with the ACT? Sure, the control panel is ugly, but it works, and you only have to configure it once.
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 01:26:39
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Spencer
Press ALT+SHIFT+5 to access the tempo track. Or, open it from the Project View menu (not the Track View menu).
The tempo view in Sonar is not a tempo track. A tempo track appears as a track in the track view alongside the audio and instrument tracks. 
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 01:28:51
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Spencer
yevster
Wow, you're right! But only on a MIDI track, not a MIDI tab of an instrument track. Facepalm.
Right click on your instrument track and select Split Instrument track. As an advanced user, I do not recommend using instruments tracks, they are overly simplified. Instead, when I open up an instrument, I select audio track, midi track, and track folder. You can collapse the folder when you are done, and it takes up no more room than the instrument track. The drawback is that you can't have folders within folders, but I'm sure they're gonna fix that. Right, Cakewalk? Right?
I answered your question about the tempo track above, if you didn't see it.
Having two tracks for each instrument part is a huge pain. I've had to live with that approach before Sonar 8 and I don't want to go back. Every other DAW deals with instrument tracks just fine. Only in Sonar, where the instrument track is a Frankentrack of a midi and audio track, does one run into issues.
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 01:35:58
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I always use MIDI and AUDIO tracks for Soft Synth. I would not even know how to open synth in Instrument track. I go to "Insert soft synth" in the top menu and it makes me 2 tracks and opens synth window. Was I supposed to insert them differently?
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 01:37:05
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yevster
The tempo view in Sonar is not a tempo track. A tempo track appears as a track in the track view alongside the audio and instrument tracks.
I would argue that it is a track, because you can see the time ruler in it, and even the markers. It is indeed a bit annoying that it doesn't visually sync with the track view on its own, but you could do that manually. Just set up markers in track view, insert a new tempo at the marker location, then you can use the Draw Line tool to make a smooth transition. It also responds to Snap.
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 01:40:47
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Hey Vladasyn, do you mind adding your thoughts or even copy an paste youy above post into my feature request. I'd like to see it bumped and gain some added interest. The more ideas we get on that thread and discussion, the greater the chance of Cake creating something fantastic. http://forum.cakewalk.com...-Plug-in-m3123368.aspx
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 01:40:50
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vladasyn
I always use MIDI and AUDIO tracks for Soft Synth. I would not even know how to open synth in Instrument track. I go to "Insert soft synth" in the top menu and it makes me 2 tracks and opens synth window. Was I supposed to insert them differently?
It's fine to do it that way if you're happy with it. If you want to save space in your track view, you can choose "Simple Instrument Track" in the "Insert Soft Synth Options" dialog. Then, you only get one track that incorporates both the MIDI and the audio track functionality. But as Spencer alluded to earlier, this functionality is far from flawless.
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 01:45:24
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Vladasyn again you say "The complaints are related to the feeling of disappointment when you realize that after paying the money, there will be no immediate inspiration and improvement."
Are you for real. I'm really annoyed by your continual disinformation. Since X3 was released there have been improvements and features and bug fixes being developed. Much of that work will be released in this new Sonar. You just can't seem to get it Into your head that there IS new and exiting inspiring stuff in this release from day one. As well as that, features that are not ready yet will be released when they are ready instead of being saved up for one big annual version update. Grrr
Every thread I go to you're there with this constant being disappointed by having to pay upfront for nothing immediate. It's really taking the shine off the efforts from the Cakewalk guys
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 01:46:16
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vladasyn
I always use MIDI and AUDIO tracks for Soft Synth. I would not even know how to open synth in Instrument track. I go to "Insert soft synth" in the top menu and it makes me 2 tracks and opens synth window. Was I supposed to insert them differently?
In the Synth Rack, there are 4 buttons above your synths, the one at the right is the Insert Synth Options, where you can choose what tracks are created when you open the synth. Useful for creating multiple tracks for multi-output samplers and synths. If you don't see it, it's because Ask Every Time is unchecked. That being said, do not use instrument tracks. For now, we have to live with separate audio and midi tracks in a folder. Instrument tracks are the worst feature in Sonar. You there at Cakewalk, who made the instrument tracks. Shame on you.
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 03:09:17
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Wow this thread sure grew overnight. Vladasyn, I did not mean to imply that I go 90 percent 3rd party with my plugs and synths just from Sonar. I also use Ableton and Logic and it's the same deal. Each of them will have a few good plugs but if I really want "a great compressor" I buy a great compressor that I can use in any DAW. I want the DAW people to focus on workflow, not plugins.
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 04:03:45
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no ability to auxes/sends next to the tracks that feed them (they're confined to a separate pane for no good reason - this limitation is unique to Sonar).
Forgot about this one. To send audio into a track (effectively turning the track into a bus), create a new audio track, and insert the Sonitus Gate. If your prochannel is set to Pre and you want to use it, create a fx chain in it at the top and put the gate in there, otherwise you can put it in the fx bin, it doesn't matter. Set the gate's output to Sidechain, just above the output meter. Now you can set the output of another track, or create a send, towards the sidechain input of the gate. The gate in sidechain mode is fully transparent and will not affect the sound in any way. You can save a track template (or fx chain with filters for frequency splitting which is what I did) so you don't have to do the setup again. Just please don't noob out on me and destroy your monitors, or ears, with a feedback loop.
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 07:54:05
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vladasyn
I remember Cakewalk looking for new Software engineers. Did they hire anybody promising? Why not have “Creative Staff” page with pictures, biographies, resumes, and work experience of the programmers? Any music software company has the pictures of their “creative force” members.
I hate it when tech companies post "PR resumes" of their employees. It plays into one of the problems of software engineering culture. I don't need to see pictures of the developers.
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 09:09:28
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I can't think of any reason why creating EDM in Sonar would be any more difficult than creating any other style of music. But I will say that I stay away from simple instrument tracks, mostly because I am so used to coming from an external hardware synth that Sonar's synth rack just feels like a natural extension of the hardware world.
There are so many really great software synths available now...it truly is an embarassment of riches. I personally don't want or expect Cakewalk to spend development costs or distract the core Sonar team into developing soft synths. I want the core DAW made better. Now, if they want to hire a separate team, or acquire other company's synths, I'm okay with that.
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 11:10:30
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Thank you for all the replies. It is hard to address everybody by name. Sonar as a DAW already works. For basic recording it has enough and needs no improvement (other than "Undo" button- lol). For the company to create revenue, they should use every possibility. If it takes to hire one person part time with $20,000 salary a year, that can create a product that would make company $50,000- it would be worth it. I would definitely not want coding team to get distracted creating better forum or worrying how to place Sonar on Steam- this can be done by web designer, not by software engineer.
Muggel, I do not know what inspire you, but I do not see any big difference n New Sonar. I am glad they have Vocal sync- I wanted to buy it 3rd party and it was not affordable- hope it works as well. But I am a vocalist (not so good vocalist) and I need all vocal tools I can get, but many don't care about vocals so it will not be exciting. You mean Snap to Grid improvement excites you? Or you saying, Bug fixes are exciting? Yey, my Sonar did not crash for a week! I am not embarrassed in front of 5 people who came to record when it freezes and hangs and not working and I have to restart computer. Yey- so inspiring!
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vladasyn
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 11:17:29
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I came across this new software toy this morning. Check out the video down on this page: It feature a melody maker and demo is in Abelton. They use Z3ta 2 as output synth. You can hear what I mean by Z3ta being grainy if you watch this video. Also note how easy it is to insert software synth in Abelton- it is one click operation. In Sonar we need to select MIDI tracks, audio tracks- it would not even insert with "Master" for output by default- always wants to be Output 1-2 instead of Master and we have to change it every time manually. Note how easy it is to configure MIDI plugin's output to go in to Z3ta 2. In Sonar it takes3 tracks. Midi out should be sent to Z3ta, Zeta's in should be set to "Midi Madness In" and so on- it takes good 10 minutes to set up, and then you have no sound at all some time because some button is not on or you missed something. Or it leaks in to another software synth for no reason... http://midimadnesssoftware.com/midi-madness/ Video is down the page.
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 11:28:25
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vladasyn
I came across this new software toy this morning. Check out the video down on this page: It feature a melody maker and demo is in Abelton. They use Z3ta 2 as output synth. You can hear what I mean by Z3ta being grainy if you watch this video. Also note how easy it is to insert software synth in Abelton- it is one click operation. In Sonar we need to select MIDI tracks, audio tracks- it would not even insert with "Master" for output by default- always wants to be Output 1-2 instead of Master and we have to change it every time manually. Note how easy it is to configure MIDI plugin's output to go in to Z3ta 2. In Sonar it takes3 tracks. Midi out should be sent to Z3ta, Zeta's in should be set to "Midi Madness In" and so on- it takes good 10 minutes to set up, and then you have no sound at all some time because some button is not on or you missed something. Or it leaks in to another software synth for no reason...
http://midimadnesssoftware.com/midi-madness/ Video is down the page.
I will agree with you that Sonar's midi routing is a head scratcher sometimes, but I've always gotten it to do what I want, lol. However, when I insert a new synth into the synth rack, the output is always set to Master by default, not that it matters because I will always bounce to a separate track later when I start mixing. Regards, Dan
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 13:21:11
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vladasyn
I came across this new software toy this morning. Check out the video down on this page: It feature a melody maker and demo is in Abelton. They use Z3ta 2 as output synth. You can hear what I mean by Z3ta being grainy if you watch this video. Also note how easy it is to insert software synth in Abelton- it is one click operation. In Sonar we need to select MIDI tracks, audio tracks- it would not even insert with "Master" for output by default- always wants to be Output 1-2 instead of Master and we have to change it every time manually. Note how easy it is to configure MIDI plugin's output to go in to Z3ta 2. In Sonar it takes3 tracks. Midi out should be sent to Z3ta, Zeta's in should be set to "Midi Madness In" and so on- it takes good 10 minutes to set up, and then you have no sound at all some time because some button is not on or you missed something. Or it leaks in to another software synth for no reason...
http://midimadnesssoftware.com/midi-madness/ Video is down the page.
If Z3ta is "grainy" to you, then don't use it. The guy in the video is using Ableton, which according to you seems to be the second coming of the christ, yet he chooses to use Z3ta, above all the 1000 other soft synths he can use. He probably likes the sound of it. I don't think the patch he chose sounded "grainy" at all. Just make sure your z3ta is always set to 2X oversampling in the options, and it will sound nice. If you don't like "grainy sound", turn off the distortion, turn off ring/fm/am/sync modulation, turn off resonance feedback, turn off basically anything that can make a synth patch interesting for dance music, and don't use saw waves. I don't know what else to tell you about that, really. The procedure to make this midi plugin work in ableton is exactly the same as in Sonar, so I don't know where you're coming from. He has to create a track to send midi input into the plugin, just like in sonar. He has to configure his synth's midi track to receive midi from the plugin, just like in sonar. He has to make sure the input echo button is activated on both tracks, just like in sonar. He does it in 30 seconds, not 10 minutes, because he did it hundreds of times before and knows what he's doing, just like I would in sonar. Oh, and once you have it working, just save the configuration as a track template, you will never have to do it again. Your synths do not output to the master but by default because you did not right click on your master and check "Set Default Bus". About leaking into other tracks, make sure your instruments don't have MIDI output enabled when they don't need to. Uncheck it when you insert the synth unless you specifically need it. You should not have any problems then. Unless you use the step sequencer which is currently broken, and should not be used. This you can complain about. I'm all for helping people but you really have the wrong approach coming in and basically typing a paragraph long rant that basically amount to "sonar sucks and the other daws don't" when in reality you need to realize that such software are complex professional tools and that reading the manual throughout once or twice wouldn't hurt you at all from what I can tell. Or at least first ask if there's a better way to achieve what you want without jumping to conclusions.
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Re: Where are the Cakewalk Talents?
2015/01/16 13:37:30
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vladasyn
I do not read/watch tutorials.
Maybe you should then you'd know how to play two synths at the same time. vladasyn
It has very little to do with my workflow.
Learning how to use the software doesn't dictate your preferred workflow vladasyn
I already know how to do what I am doing.
Evidently not.
I am using it and not something else. But all the marketing is catered toward new buyers. It does nothing for us, who already has Sonar. I would like a new product if they want more money. I can not pay for the same product I already have. For some people $150 is not much, for others it is a lot. When I buy something, I should get new software synth or new effect or new arpegiator or new samples- I can not even verbalize what the new updates are for. There was nothing wrong with Transport and nothing wrong with Snap to Grid- it was fine. There was and IS a lot wrong with Staff view, with Piano Roll, step sequencer and several other things that should of been addressed first.
I personally always find at least something useful in each new release. I haven't always upgraded though. Of course it's not compulsory. If there's nothing there for you skip the upgrade until there is.
For example Midi Through is not working properly. A lot of times it will send MIDI notes to software synths that assigned to different outputs. Plugins (Beat Tweaker) start randomly play because it receives command from somewhere that was not sent, and there is no way to play on more than one MIDI track simultaneously. Only active channel plays. So if you have 2 keyboardists or keyboardist and electronic drum set, 2 people can not play at the same time. But you would not experience all this instability if you are a guitarist and record live guitar.
I can assure you that playing more than one synth at the same time is possible. Of course you need to know how to set the tracks up. May I humbly suggest you do watch a tutorial video such as this one and learn how to do it.
I missed the "meet the bakers" event, and this is exactly my point: there should be a web page that talks about new developments and staff. Not everybody has time to stay on the forums and hear release rumors. My Sonar did not change from the day of release. And now they want additional $150 for the same Sonar X3 with different name, vocal sync and new transport. All the other features on the list are not applicable for me.
There is. It's called the cakewalk blog. Although if you haven't got time for the forums I can't see how you'll have time for that either.
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