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2011/06/09 15:30:49 (permalink)

Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76?

Native Instruments just announced their latest Vintage Compressor recreations of 3 studio legends.

I'm especially interested in the VC76.

I know the Pro Channel PC76 has that tube saturation thing going on but the new Vintage Compressor by Native Instruments has the latest FET technology.

"The VC 76 recreates a studio legend with a characteristic presence and a punchy, clear high end. This popular compressor/peak limiter, based on FET technology, is renowned for its super-fast attack"

Curious about FET technology?

Here's more:

"FET technology refers to a special kind of transistor: the Field Effect Transistor. These transistors emulate tube behavior, and they’ve been around a while — the first FET patent was filed in 1925. FET compressors are fast, relatively clean-sounding, and inherently reliable."

I did a bold highlight on that last part... if the FETs are that inherently reliable maybe this *76 won't turn on and off automatically all by itself. The meters probably work ok too.

Did I mention it is VST? You can use it with most of your favorite audio applications. That seems like a real cool feature... it's almost as flexible as the hardware version.



So what do you think? Can the VC76 hang with PC76?




best regards,
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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/09 16:16:05 (permalink)
    Hey Mike,

    I've come to the conclusion that it's all just marketing hype and they're all about the same.

    I get just as good of results out of Sonitus Comp as I do PC76, Alloy, Ozone, and many other's I've tried. I go back to Sonitus every time because I'm familiar with it and I know how to get the sound I'm looking for out of it, and it's stable as a rock. Can't say that about PC76. I only use the EQ on the PC for lo/hi rolloff. The Tube Sat function is no better or worse than any other. Actually, the TL-64 plug has many more features, sounds better, and has oversampling capabilities.

    Honestly, I think if you're looking for the next step in making your home studio sound more professional, you'll need to go out of the box and go the route of good hardware. I recently picked up an inexpensive ART MPA II Ref. Series Preamp low end, home studio type gear. It made a world of different. I can only imagine what a unit costing thousands more would sound like.

    You want tube emulation, get a rack mount FET based unit. You want tube warmth, get a rack mount tube preamp. In my opinion, the money for another ITB VST compressor would not be worth the benefits.

    I just listened to the samples on NI's web site and I don't hear anything being done there that Sonitus can't do.

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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/09 16:41:40 (permalink)
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    Native Instruments just announced their latest Vintage Compressor recreations of 3 studio legends.

    I'm especially interested in the VC76.

    I know the Pro Channel PC76 has that tube saturation thing going on but the new Vintage Compressor by Native Instruments has the latest FET technology.

    "The VC 76 recreates a studio legend with a characteristic presence and a punchy, clear high end. This popular compressor/peak limiter, based on FET technology, is renowned for its super-fast attack"

    Curious about FET technology?

    Here's more:

    "FET technology refers to a special kind of transistor: the Field Effect Transistor. These transistors emulate tube behavior, and they’ve been around a while — the first FET patent was filed in 1925. FET compressors are fast, relatively clean-sounding, and inherently reliable."

    I did a bold highlight on that last part... if the FETs are that inherently reliable maybe this *76 won't turn on and off automatically all by itself. The meters probably work ok too.

    Did I mention it is VST? You can use it with most of your favorite audio applications. That seems like a real cool feature... it's almost as flexible as the hardware version.



    So what do you think? Can the VC76 hang with PC76?




    best regards,
    mike


    Your trolling has improved dramatically.

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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/09 17:23:22 (permalink)
    Did I mention it is VST? You can use it with most of your favorite audio applications. That seems like a real cool feature... it's almost as flexible as the hardware version.

    sound more like marketing than a real question.  Do you work for NI if so can I get a free kore since you killed it anyway 
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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/09 17:47:44 (permalink)
    Ok, but even if it wasn't VST... it still uses the FET technology.


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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/09 18:31:27 (permalink)
    Ok here we go again, I have not used the X1 pro channel, probally never will but if the pro channels saturation effect is anything like the one included with the drum effect and vocal effect plugs, then it is worthless.
     
    I have to agree with bub to get a tube sound use somthing on the way in and his sugesstion of an Art product is spot on, they make excellent value for stuff and it works!!! WOW!!!!!  I have an Art Pro VLA II compressor and it is a fine peice of kit, not as good as my TL Audio A2 but there is almost 2000 dollars difference in price but the VLA is just better for somethings, its a pitty that Sonar's external effect cannont be used in mono. Yea I know there is probally a work around.
     
    As for the shoot out, I am most interested and over the coming weeks will have to a-b the 1176 emulator that NI has put out and my UAD one.  I have hear the Bomb Factory one and it sounded like watery cabbage soup.  So not all plugs are made equal.
     
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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/09 18:42:27 (permalink)
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    Native Instruments just announced their latest Vintage Compressor recreations of 3 studio legends.

    I'm especially interested in the VC76.

    I know the Pro Channel PC76 has that tube saturation thing going on but the new Vintage Compressor by Native Instruments has the latest FET technology.

    "The VC 76 recreates a studio legend with a characteristic presence and a punchy, clear high end. This popular compressor/peak limiter, based on FET technology, is renowned for its super-fast attack"

    Curious about FET technology?

    Here's more:

    "FET technology refers to a special kind of transistor: the Field Effect Transistor. These transistors emulate tube behavior, and they’ve been around a while — the first FET patent was filed in 1925. FET compressors are fast, relatively clean-sounding, and inherently reliable."

    I did a bold highlight on that last part... if the FETs are that inherently reliable maybe this *76 won't turn on and off automatically all by itself. The meters probably work ok too.

    Did I mention it is VST? You can use it with most of your favorite audio applications. That seems like a real cool feature... it's almost as flexible as the hardware version.



    So what do you think? Can the VC76 hang with PC76?




    best regards,
    mike
    I can't tell if you are "tongue and cheek" on this - but NI stuff works well - consistently.  I am close to pulling the trigger - especially if the side chaining and parallel work as advertised!
    Did I mention that it is a VST with FET?    : )
     
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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/09 18:44:35 (permalink)
    Isn't FET emulation the same as the 'Gloss' setting?



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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/09 18:44:37 (permalink)
    "Did I mention that it is a VST with FET?"

    you did.

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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/09 19:49:25 (permalink)
    "FET technology refers to a special kind of transistor: the Field Effect Transistor. These transistors emulate tube behavior, and they’ve been around a while — the first FET patent was filed in 1925. FET compressors are fast, relatively clean-sounding, and inherently reliable."

     
    I am confused as to how the FET transistors will be implemented.  I guess it will have to be via USB.  But that means drivers that could suck.    : (
     
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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/09 20:04:18 (permalink)
    I've heard they're both modeled after each other and if you use them both simultaneously, they'll cancel each other out and leave you with the most beautiful, pristine recording you've ever heard. Try that with the hardware unit.

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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/09 20:22:53 (permalink)
    But Mike, it is a FET TUBE.  Gotta be the best.

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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/10 08:18:38 (permalink)
    The thing is, FET code isn't really about being reliable.  I mean...it's reliable, but the heart of this thing is in how FAST it is.  (Because...FET is FAST, and "it's been around a while"....in case you forgot.)

    It's so fast that that the compressor can randomly toggle on/off and sporadically change settings so quickly that you'll hardly notice....

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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/10 08:23:02 (permalink)
    Like a stutter plug in?


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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/10 08:38:56 (permalink)
    Faster.

    So fast, in fact, that MANY users will report that they're using it - and that they have been since day one - without any problem at all.

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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/10 09:54:20 (permalink)
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    Native Instruments just announced their latest Vintage Compressor recreations of 3 studio legends.

    I'm especially interested in the VC76.

    I know the Pro Channel PC76 has that tube saturation thing going on but the new Vintage Compressor by Native Instruments has the latest FET technology.

    "The VC 76 recreates a studio legend with a characteristic presence and a punchy, clear high end. This popular compressor/peak limiter, based on FET technology, is renowned for its super-fast attack"

    Curious about FET technology?

    Here's more:

    "FET technology refers to a special kind of transistor: the Field Effect Transistor. These transistors emulate tube behavior, and they’ve been around a while — the first FET patent was filed in 1925. FET compressors are fast, relatively clean-sounding, and inherently reliable."

    I did a bold highlight on that last part... if the FETs are that inherently reliable maybe this *76 won't turn on and off automatically all by itself. The meters probably work ok too.

    Did I mention it is VST? You can use it with most of your favorite audio applications. That seems like a real cool feature... it's almost as flexible as the hardware version.



    So what do you think? Can the VC76 hang with PC76?




    best regards,
    mike

    Mike,
     
    I'll give you my take for what it's worth. I've never been a fan of any "76" type plug and just don't like them. If I were to use one, I'd use the hardware version honestly. As far as saturation goes, there has only been one plug for me that has been able to accomplish "good saturation" and that is, the Studer 800 by UAD. If you don't have a UAD 2 card, I'd seriously consider getting one...seriously. The compressors and processors offered in those cards make an incredible difference unlike any plug I've ever used. You'll hear your audio improve drastically as soon as you drop something on the track. To me, they are the closest to the real things as you can get. The NEVE 33609 is one of the best compressors I've ever used. Add that Studer 800 in and man, it's just a beast that literally sounds like tape saturation to me. That good driven sound, not this synthetic stuff we hear from others. Their version of the 76 as well as the LA2A stuff, is quite incredible and must haves in my opinion. I'm more of a 4k comp man myself due to more control...or the NEVE or even the API 2500, but I'd definitely look into the UAD stuff. Oh, that Fatso comp is absolutely off the hook as well with loads of control...especially transient warmth control. I believe I may have read something in the past where you weren't interested in the UAD stuff, but I could be wrong. To me, the UAD stuff was one of my best investments other than ARC and the system that Jim Roseberry built for me. :)
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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/10 10:43:54 (permalink)
    the NI things are accessed via guitar rig..  (- points for that)

    IK also released 2 new things,
    black 76 http://www.ikmultimedia.c...s/moreinfo/black76.php
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    White 2A http://www.ikmultimedia.c...s/moreinfo/white2a.php


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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/10 12:04:51 (permalink)
    Mike, you should know by now that subtle humor and irony don't work well on this or any other forum. Still, I for one appreciate it.


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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/10 12:17:22 (permalink)
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    Mike,
     
    I'll give you my take for what it's worth. I've never been a fan of any "76" type plug and just don't like them. If I were to use one, I'd use the hardware version honestly. As far as saturation goes, there has only been one plug for me that has been able to accomplish "good saturation" and that is, the Studer 800 by UAD. If you don't have a UAD 2 card, I'd seriously consider getting one...seriously. The compressors and processors offered in those cards make an incredible difference unlike any plug I've ever used. You'll hear your audio improve drastically as soon as you drop something on the track. To me, they are the closest to the real things as you can get. The NEVE 33609 is one of the best compressors I've ever used. Add that Studer 800 in and man, it's just a beast that literally sounds like tape saturation to me. That good driven sound, not this synthetic stuff we hear from others. Their version of the 76 as well as the LA2A stuff, is quite incredible and must haves in my opinion. I'm more of a 4k comp man myself due to more control...or the NEVE or even the API 2500, but I'd definitely look into the UAD stuff. Oh, that Fatso comp is absolutely off the hook as well with loads of control...especially transient warmth control. I believe I may have read something in the past where you weren't interested in the UAD stuff, but I could be wrong. To me, the UAD stuff was one of my best investments other than ARC and the system that Jim Roseberry built for me. :)
    I whole heartedly agree. If you can't own the real thing, the UAD comes closer in software than anything out there. I would however, prefer the hardware in all cases.


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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/10 12:28:42 (permalink)
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    Mike, you should know by now that subtle humor and irony don't work well on this or any other forum. Still, I for one appreciate it.

    Hey Dave,


    Your first sentence got me thinking (I know, dangerous); how can I get some of that humor and irony? But the I realized, one is probably born with it, so I'll just live vicariously through my good buddy Mike McCue.


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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/10 12:52:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
    There's a fine line between trying to be funny and ironic and being a pretentious douche so be careful what you wish for Baps. Sometimes you can cross the line without even knowing it.







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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/10 13:04:41 (permalink)
    Of course there are valid reasons why so many engineers and mixers rely on both the 1176 hardware and software emulations.  It sounds good, for one.  Actually I'd imagine (nope, I don't know...just surmise from my own experience and my reading) that the UAD is still the definitive 1176 emulation.  But isn't the Native Instruments NOT a separate usable VST?? I thought it was "tied" to GuitarRig 4??

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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/10 13:19:35 (permalink)
    You almost make that seem like a bad thing.

    The guitar rig can be used as a meta VST... or you can just use it free standing, which BTW, is great at karaoke night.


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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/10 14:29:00 (permalink)
    This has been my secret weapon for some time now, and why I am so feared at karaoke clubs throughout the Pacific Northwest.
     
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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/10 15:49:21 (permalink)
    and that is, the Studer 800 by UAD

     
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    That has to be the coolest looking plug I have ever seen and after looking at all the UAD hardware... man.. It looks like great gear.
     
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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/10 19:43:50 (permalink)
    What are these?
     
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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/10 19:47:22 (permalink)
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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/10 20:02:01 (permalink)
    I have completely disassembled an 1176 plugin and couldn't find a FET in there anywhere. Did I get ripped off?


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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/10 20:10:25 (permalink)
    Yep, and even worse bitflipper, you voided the warranty....

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    Re:Which is better? Pro Channel PC76 or Native Instruments VC76? 2011/06/11 00:08:49 (permalink)
    yorolpal
    But isn't the Native Instruments NOT a separate usable VST?? I thought it was "tied" to GuitarRig 4?? 

    They're now selling a compressor bundle separately (got the e-mail announcement yesterday I think.). It's something NI almost systematically does - take components from existing plug-ins, repackage them and sell them individually. ;)

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