Jonbouy
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Re:Who is familiar with DiSC management?
2011/04/07 16:02:13
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I wonder how effective Myers/Briggs or other widely used typing systems would be percieved if they solely relied on internet questionairres? Enneagram does indeed have a simplistic literal meaning, but then so does 'Pericarditis'.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:Who is familiar with DiSC management?
2011/04/07 16:10:24
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The test at one of the links you posted was described as shortened while the site offered a $10 test that was described a scientifically accurate. The notion of "forced choice" testing seems distasteful to me at face value. I declined to answer all the questions. It occurs to me that there must be some sort of classification for someone who adopts my position. Just curious. Disc seems different, it relates that people utilize varying degrees of the 4 traits in combinations that suit their unique character. best regards, mike
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Re:Who is familiar with DiSC management?
2011/04/07 16:29:21
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I ascertained my own type very quickly from the course papers of somebody who had been on a weekend workshop based on Palmer's work. I then went on such a weekend workshop myself. Most people on one of these weekends will recognize themselves in a broad type and subtype within a short time. I've been on several since and it's amusing the amounts of each 'type' stays faily constant with certain types being conspicuously absent. I'd recommend Helen Palmer's book: The Enneagram Understanding Yourself and the Others in Your Life which was written back in '88 for a fairly easy introduction into the subject for anyone who was interested. Here's an Enneagram based article on itself and other systems including DiSC http://www.theenneagramin...enneagram1/others.html
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Re:Who is familiar with DiSC management?
2011/04/07 16:42:52
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Re:Who is familiar with DiSC management?
2011/04/07 22:55:01
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mike_mccue The test at one of the links you posted was described as shortened while the site offered a $10 test that was described a scientifically accurate. The notion of "forced choice" testing seems distasteful to me at face value. I declined to answer all the questions. It occurs to me that there must be some sort of classification for someone who adopts my position. Just curious. Disc seems different, it relates that people utilize varying degrees of the 4 traits in combinations that suit their unique character. best regards, mike MBTI works from that perspective, too - it helps locate you in a range of characteristics you share with others. It doesn't seek to lock you into a rigid classification that can't take into a account that people are unique, complex individuals who may be similar to one another but are definitely not identical. There's a good summary of this on the Myers-Briggs Foundation website - http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/. Many of these systems claim C.G. Jung's personality typologies as their basis, so it's not surprising that there are similarities. One of my favorite variants is the True Colors system - I'm a very visual learner, and this is appealing to the way I take in information. http://www.true-colors.com/WhatisTrueColors.html Have fun exploring.
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Re:Who is familiar with DiSC management?
2011/04/08 03:01:50
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Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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Re:Who is familiar with DiSC management?
2011/04/08 06:52:47
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There's an irony for me in considering that so much of this work is based on Jung. I read a fairly detailed biography of Jung a few years back, and in retrospect he seems to have had a very short window where he was thinking clearly about human development and after wards he spent a lot of time invoking mysticism in a search of explanation for the notion of Archetypes via the study of alchemy as a metaphor for universal law. Apparently his heirs are very protective of his legacy and worry that if everything Dr Jung had hoped to publish ever got published that his reputation would be very different than it is when one just considers his actual clinical work. Never the less it seems that much of the study he inspired are observations of traits that people do actually embody and so you do not have to seek universal truths or spiritual answers simply to use the knowledge to understand the mechanics of interpersonal relationships a bit better. best regards, mike
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Jonbouy
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Re:Who is familiar with DiSC management?
2011/04/08 07:48:23
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Never the less it seems that much of the study he inspired are observations of traits that people do actually embody and so you do not have to seek universal truths or spiritual answers simply to use the knowledge to understand the mechanics of interpersonal relationships a bit better. The Enneagram had little to do with Jung it alledgedly was part of Sufi tradition. It gained a phsycological component last century after Gurdjieff used it (along with plenty of Vodka) in an attempt to break down or observe stock reflexes in certain individuals. It's been post analyzed to see where it fits in with these typing methods. I quote you above because I wonder isn't gaining a greater understanding of ourselves and those around us one of the greatest spiritual challenges any of us can undertake?
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Re:Who is familiar with DiSC management?
2011/04/08 08:32:49
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I suppose. But I may just want to use the knowledge of the Enneagram to excel at poker. best regards, mike
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Re:Who is familiar with DiSC management?
2011/04/08 09:23:31
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mike_mccue I suppose. But I may just want to use the knowledge of the Enneagram to excel at poker. Nothing wrong with being a winner ;-)
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Re:Who is familiar with DiSC management?
2011/04/08 17:28:56
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mike_mccue There's an irony for me in considering that so much of this work is based on Jung. I read a fairly detailed biography of Jung a few years back, and in retrospect he seems to have had a very short window where he was thinking clearly about human development and after wards he spent a lot of time invoking mysticism in a search of explanation for the notion of Archetypes via the study of alchemy as a metaphor for universal law. Apparently his heirs are very protective of his legacy and worry that if everything Dr Jung had hoped to publish ever got published that his reputation would be very different than it is when one just considers his actual clinical work. Never the less it seems that much of the study he inspired are observations of traits that people do actually embody and so you do not have to seek universal truths or spiritual answers simply to use the knowledge to understand the mechanics of interpersonal relationships a bit better. best regards, mike I think that's why Jung is so appealing to both the theologically-inclined and the not-inclined - the concepts and philosophies allow one to explore the idea of having a soul/spirit and the deeper issues that accompany it without having to subscribe to any particular system of belief. On the other side of it, they are helpful to someone like myself (a theologian who treads the mystic path) seeking understanding of the deeper connections between God and humanity. And... if you want to be better at poker, maybe the system will help you learn to disguise all of your tells effectively...
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Re:Who is familiar with DiSC management?
2011/04/08 17:39:32
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Jonbouy I wonder how effective Myers/Briggs or other widely used typing systems would be percieved if they solely relied on internet questionairres? Enneagram does indeed have a simplistic literal meaning, but then so does 'Pericarditis'. My feeling is that it will all depend on how well the testing is administered, and the extent of the questioning. I've undergone the MMPI (Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory) a couple of times; the last time was the long form, taken over the internet. Around 500 questions if I'm remembering accurately. I think, in reality, it's only 25 core questions, asked many times in varied ways. I asked a colleague who's more up on the psych stuff than I why they did that, and he said that the questioning is designed to reveal behavioral patterns. While someone who is mentally disciplined and highly observant might be able to outwit the inventory over 50-100 questions, 500 questions pushes most anyone's attention span and mental energy to the limit and raises the probability of an accurate outcome. Enough for a Friday afternoon. I must go be silly, anon.
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Re:Who is familiar with DiSC management?
2011/04/08 17:40:55
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Russell.Whaley Enough for a Friday afternoon. I must go be silly, anon. That is why all your post are belong to us?
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Re:Who is familiar with DiSC management?
2011/04/08 17:42:57
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Amen, brother, amen. I've resolved to live a sheltered life... downstairs!
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