Ron2112
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Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
I'm seeing posts from many lifetime subs who seem to think that your software will stop working tomorrow. It won't.
There's no functional difference from folks who bought Sonar 4 or 8 and decided to stop there. The only difference is that you now have the "final" version of Sonar Platinum. It could -- and probably will -- last for another decade with no problems.
You're just not getting anymore updates. Buying the "lifetime" upgrade enabled you to cut the cord from the Cakewalk servers. At $150, it was about the same price as all the other upgrades that had a lifetime of about 2 years.
Yeah, the situation sucks, but some of you need to get a grip.
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 11:35:45
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When I kicked in the extra $99 for the "lifetime" upgrades, I figured if I get a second year of upgrades I would break even. That happened so I'm "even".
Although I'm going to start learning Studio One 3, that I've had for a long time but never really used, Sonar will do what I need until the time it won't run any more for whatever reason.
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 12:51:28
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As far as I can understand, all sonar version post-X3 era will eventually stop launching after cake's servers shutdown. (for authorization).
It is either that OR if I need in a future time to re-install SPLAT, if the servers are down at that point it just won't get out of the DEMO mode. That really sucks.
I use other softwares that are also linked to the net, so "cutting off my box" from the Net is not really an option for me.
As for the "eventually stop working" portion of the topic, let us hope it will not happen in front of our biggest client or in front of a little crowd when doing a monthly gig...
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Ron2112
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 12:54:13
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yummay
As far as I can understand, all sonar version post-X3 era will eventually stop launching after cake's servers shutdown. (for authorization).
No. Try it now. Disconnect your wireless and launch Sonar. If you are a lifetime sub, there's no problem.
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 12:59:16
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Ron2112
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As far as I can understand, all sonar version post-X3 era will eventually stop launching after cake's servers shutdown. (for authorization).
No. Try it now. Disconnect your wireless and launch Sonar. If you are a lifetime sub, there's no problem.
What happens when you try to re-install it for whatever reason?
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 13:05:35
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Yes, I think you only need it if you need to install again, get a new PC or Hard Drive. Then as it is now you are toast.
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 13:06:54
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Ron2112
There's no functional difference from folks who bought Sonar 4 or 8 and decided to stop there. The only difference is that you now have the "final" version of Sonar Platinum.
except that 4, 8, up to what, x1? didn't authorise online, so previously once you had your c/r code for your serial number you could install as many times on as many different machines as you liked
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 13:09:45
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I think we're OK up to X3, but not sure...
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 13:11:12
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Ron2112
yummay
As far as I can understand, all sonar version post-X3 era will eventually stop launching after cake's servers shutdown. (for authorization).
No. Try it now. Disconnect your wireless and launch Sonar. If you are a lifetime sub, there's no problem.
We all know this. Enlighten me; "What if i want to tranfer all of my work to another PC after all cake servers go to down?" We are waiting your reponse!!!
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 13:11:26
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It did not enable us to cut the cord from servers. That is only true for a current install. Many people change enough of their computer every year to need a new install.
Plenty of reason for life timers to be upset. It basically lasted less than a year and a half, that is a complete sham. But more importantly this means no patches going forward and at some point will likely not operate under windows properly or will not install at all. All this talk about the servers are still up is not something we can count on for decades to come.
Lifetime updates went public about June 2016.
I have no problem using the current version for a long time...but that asumes it will actually continue to work and be installed on as many future machines that I buy. Buying lifetime updated was insurance for that, as of now, this insurance purchase isn't looking promising. Hopefully that will change.
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yummay
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 13:19:04
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I think I first bought lifetime upgrades in 2015...
And I really hope that one of cake's last action will be to comment-out the "online activation" portion of SPALT's code...
I bought lifetime because I wanted the soft to continue working if "whatever went wrong" happened. (or, As Craig said " you keep your software and it will continue to work) ...Never thought about the mothership's bloody servers!
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 13:22:16
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I bought into the lifetime subscription so I could keep consistency in my DAW and keep up to date with the new technologies. I've used Cakewalk since my first Atari ST and Pro Audio 9.
I'm now going to have to change DAW to do that at more cost, and a whole new learning curve. Yes, I understand SPlat will still work, but until what Windows update? That's my gripe.
I feel worse for the bakers and staff who've done a fantastic job. My hat goes off to you and I sincerely wish you the best of luck.
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 13:24:39
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☄ Helpfulby papacucku 2017/11/22 13:42:55
yummay
As far as I can understand, all sonar version post-X3 era will eventually stop launching after cake's servers shutdown. (for authorization).
A surprisingly common misconception, which I suppose originates with those who insisted on calling the rolling updates a "subscription". Which it never was. We are merely in the same boat as folks who stopped upgrading from earlier versions because they'd reached a point where the product already did everything they needed it to do. I stayed on 8.5 for years after its official retirement and didn't feel like I was missing anything because it did everything I needed it to do. The problems will occur when you upgrade your computer and need to re-authorize. Dimension Pro, Rapture and Addictive Drums are going to be problems even if SONAR isn't. Perhaps other third-party components, too. Let's hope Gibson (or the bankruptcy court) does the right thing and sets aside a small budget for maintaining the servers. Or, even better (but less likely), allows CW to post unprotected versions for download.
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 13:33:48
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............Let's hope Gibson (or the bankruptcy court) does the right thing and sets aside a small budget for maintaining the servers. Or, even better (but less likely), allows CW to post unprotected versions for download.
Yes I recall software back in the day was usually always made available free on a mirror server somewhere when the comapny folded or removed all support. I am like you, there don't seem to be any bugs so I cannot see any reason why it will not continue to run as is for a long time. Those who like to upgrade might like to perhaps create a clone image of the hard drive (using Acronis or similar) mebbe do a fresh install of W10 then all the Cakewalk programs that DO require activation from Cakewalk servers (not 3rd party companies) and the do an image. THat way they will ALWAYS have a version that will work 
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 13:39:51
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Indeed. Its not going to stop working immediately.
However I find myself suddenly reluctant to start generating new projects in a dead product knowing that I'll have to convert them at some point to keep them going or if I decide to revisit them down the line.
That may not be for a few years but that time is still coming. The search for a replacement DAW has begun since the bugs that drive me crazy aren't now ever getting fixed.
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 13:43:53
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yummay
As far as I can understand, all sonar version post-X3 era will eventually stop launching after cake's servers shutdown. (for authorization).
A surprisingly common misconception, which I suppose originates with those who insisted on calling the rolling updates a "subscription". Which it never was.
We are merely in the same boat as folks who stopped upgrading from earlier versions because they'd reached a point where the product already did everything they needed it to do. I stayed on 8.5 for years after its official retirement and didn't feel like I was missing anything because it did everything I needed it to do.
The problems will occur when you upgrade your computer and need to re-authorize. Dimension Pro, Rapture and Addictive Drums are going to be problems even if SONAR isn't. Perhaps other third-party components, too. Let's hope Gibson (or the bankruptcy court) does the right thing and sets aside a small budget for maintaining the servers. Or, even better (but less likely), allows CW to post unprotected versions for download.
that's not completely true. twice in the last year my sonar went into "demo mode" and told me I had 30 days to authorize. authorization was easy enough because I just launched CC and that fixed the problem because CC reauthorized sonar for me. this is a bug that was introduced some time back and was never completely fixed as far as I know. so we could roll back to some point BEFORE that bug, but otherwise there is a problem where sonar needs re-authorization at times just sitting there.
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 13:46:21
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>>Never thought about the mothership's bloody servers!
I did. Brought it up I didn't like the switch to C/R but was told - oh come on, don't worry about it.
We'll see. And buying lifetime should not be a requirement for older versions to continue to work. Lifetime was just for updates. The "guarantee" was that what you bought and paid for would continue to work (at the frozen update level of course).
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 13:52:44
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Yes I recall software back in the day was usually always made available free on a mirror server somewhere when the comapny folded or removed all support
yeah, but "back in the day" is many lifetimes ago in today's digital marketplace
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 13:57:00
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☄ Helpfulby Roo Stercogburn 2017/11/22 15:21:03
"Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?"
Because we are having to have this conversation after paying EXTRA to not have to have this conversation.
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 14:02:20
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☄ Helpfulby pwalpwal 2017/11/22 14:07:15
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yummay
As far as I can understand, all sonar version post-X3 era will eventually stop launching after cake's servers shutdown. (for authorization).
No. Try it now. Disconnect your wireless and launch Sonar. If you are a lifetime sub, there's no problem.
Sonar requires that you log into the CCC at least once per month to keep your activation current. When the CCC checks with home for updates it checks your registration. There are numerous threads of people who’s version of Sonar o r some other software goes into demo mode because of a failure in this process. You could get Cakewalk to fix that for you but despite being told the servers will remain on, there’s no humans to do the intervention for these kinds of anomalous events. And it has nothing what so ever to do with having Lifetime updates or not. If you’re version of Sonar is paid up and fully licenced it could happen to you too. Going forward it’s imperative that that process be removed or we’ll have dead software long before MS mucks things up with an unwanted update to Win 10.
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yummay
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 15:10:33
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 15:10:34
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 15:13:04
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.... Dimension Pro, Rapture and Addictive Drums are going to be problems even if SONAR isn't....
Bit, AFAIK, Addictive Drums will only be a problem if you use Command Center. I'm using the XLN Online Installer to install/manage my AD products, and I doubt it even knows Cakewalk exists. I did already own Addictive Drums prior to the CW affiliation, but I gained additional products through the CW bundle, and they don't seem to be affected by CW at all. Maybe you only need to register online with XLN Audio? Same goes for Melodyne Essentials. I install/activate that through Celemony's site, and it also seems oblivious to CW.
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 15:43:31
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Got the value for my buck with lifetime updates , since I jumped in when it was first introduced and been with cakewalk since sonar 4 producer edition. No time to cry over what's done..I've got work to do, so I just keep it moving and figure it out.
And who is listening to the crying anyway? Just the people here on the forum, who can't do anything about what transpired and how you're feeling over the spilled milk. Not trying to be negative or mean here, just keeping it reality based.
IMHO, keep recording and mixing and whatever else you do. This cakewalk thing is going to be what it's going to be.
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 15:44:22
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yummay
As far as I can understand, all sonar version post-X3 era will eventually stop launching after cake's servers shutdown. (for authorization).
No. Try it now. Disconnect your wireless and launch Sonar. If you are a lifetime sub, there's no problem.
Sonar requires that you log into the CCC at least once per month to keep your activation current. When the CCC checks with home for updates it checks your registration.
There are numerous threads of people who’s version of Sonar o r some other software goes into demo mode because of a failure in this process. You could get Cakewalk to fix that for you but despite being told the servers will remain on, there’s no humans to do the intervention for these kinds of anomalous events. And it has nothing what so ever to do with having Lifetime updates or not. If you’re version of Sonar is paid up and fully licenced it could happen to you too.
Going forward it’s imperative that that process be removed or we’ll have dead software long before MS mucks things up with an unwanted update to Win 10.
....and I would guess that's one of the things this small residual crew will be working on. Until someone buys Cakewalk/SONAR, which I believe will happen. Otherwise, Gibson will have a class-action suit on their hands.
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 15:56:52
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Sonar requires that you log into the CCC at least once per month to keep your activation current. When the CCC checks with home for updates it checks your registration.
Not necessarily. I have two offline machines that have been manually updated thast have not logged into CCC for many months.
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 16:49:32
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Now my VS-700 is really doomed.
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 16:56:48
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Now my VS-700 is really doomed.
it was years ago. ;-) . I was so tempted to buy one back in the day and now I'm glad I didn't. you can still use it to record audio / mix ? if it's working fine now , just use it / try to get your money out of it.
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Re: Why are Lifetime subs freaking out......?
2017/11/22 17:11:10
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When I kicked in the extra $99 for the "lifetime" upgrades, I figured if I get a second year of upgrades I would break even. That happened so I'm "even".
Although I'm going to start learning Studio One 3, that I've had for a long time but never really used, Sonar will do what I need until the time it won't run any more for whatever reason.
Yeah, I guess it depends on when you bought into the lifetime upgrades and when your normal subscription would renew. I my case I bought it in May 2016 for $99, and if I hadn't I would have renewed my subscription in January 2017 anyway, for the same amount of money, so the lifetime subscription cost nothing beyond the interest that $99 could have made sitting in my bank account for another 7 months, which these days is essentially nothing.
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