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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/07/31 11:34:37 (permalink)
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The whole rough/tough/mean looks went right out the window (at least for me) when Rob Halford came out of the closet. I certainly respect his excellent vocal talent/singing abilities/musicianship etc..., but this new image changed the way Judas Priest is viewed. It just took the "edge" off of them........especially after being a big metal fan since the early eighties (even with all it's ridiculous and silly antics). Fortunately, JP's tunes simply.......ROCK.




The thing is though, if you look back wasn't it always completely obvious that Rob Halford was gay? 


I guess when I was in high-school (80's) and listening to JP, I never thought of or saw this image of RH like that. I always thought of them as one of THE premier Metal bands with all their leather/tough image that was seen at concerts or on CD covers/Guitar mags. So, it wasn't obvious (at least for me).
Now with all the internet/easy access to various forms of media + knowing about his current lifestyle, and when looking back.........it does become obvious.   

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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/07/31 13:20:21 (permalink)
 Mike,Craig and Guitarhacker you guys crack me up lol. I needed a good laugh. 
 
 I totally agree there Rain on your comment about smiling also being fake at times especially while having a pic taken. Both can be a form of fake. I guess I singled out the metal guys because those are the images in my head of outright scowls and plain mean looking looks. In hindsight I see similar looks from other artists on other types of music cover photos.To me it wasn't so much how they dressed as it was how they came across. I know Metallica is an example of serious metal to a lot of people as is Black Sabbath and Judas Priest. Time seems to make things progress into more extreme territories. When it comes to metal. These bands are now the fun lighthearted boys from yesterday. Any attempt at sincerity of art has been over shadowed by showmanship IMO. I don't necessarily look at them as any more than good musicians using a gimmicks to promote. In reality maybe the more recent deathcore metal bands are taking the same gimmickery to a whole new level. Metallica have had their fair share of arguments and tension, still if they were always wound as tight as some of those pictures seem to portray they wouldn't have lasted a year on the road.
 
 I think some bands originally set out to take on a persona and might have toyed with the wrong things which may have caused them to become the persona without realizing it was happening until it was too late. To find the underlying story you need to look at the whole picture. I can't say it is or was always fun and games in the background and be totally comfortable making that statement.One thing famous rock musicians on the road aren't noted for is stability.
 
  I try to go back to the most basic common denominator and work up from that and this causes me to ask a lot of questions I probably can't answer. Why is it important to portray certain music within a context of hate,hurt, violence and dare I say it evil? Even if it's all light hearted behind the scenes why is it important to make the portrayal and why does that captivate people and sell records? What does that say about some of humanity in general? If these people ruled the world what would the world be like? Does the listener associate with the hurt in the music and feel like a brother with the musician because of the perceived shared experience? Is this a way some people vent? I really don't know and it probably isn't a cut and dried answer.
 
 In the case of Nirvana I believe a lot of the popularity was because of a shared experience with the youth at that time. I'm mad, I'm hurt, I've been neglected . I'm blaming whatever the popular thing is to blame at the time. Along came Kurt and they had their messiah. Only one small example.This hasn't stopped as far as I can tell.
 
 An association personally with the art is what attaches the listener to it. Would you agree with that ? Maybe a catchy tune or hook got you into it and it was simply fun to listen to it as music. This was how I enjoyed music when I heard it on the radio and didn't recognize the lyrics. Musically associated at first then maybe drawn into another level on a closer listen. Or maybe the opposite was true, a closer listen made me like a song less.I liked the tune but the message didn't sit well. The cover art made me curious at first, then I felt some kind of a conveyance through the music emotionally or maybe that happened first before I even seen the album cover. I seldom seem to like everything about anything. Sometimes the less I know about something the more I like it :)
 
 And to think this all started from looking at scowls on album art.
 

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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/07/31 14:02:15 (permalink)
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But there's an element to that phony showmanship in metal for some reason. 


As many of you may know/remember my son is in a Death Metal band.
 
Drew has the right of it.
 
It's JUST a show. Give the fans what they want.
 
Country artists have their show.
 
Rap artists have their show.
 
Pop singer have their show.
 
Prog rockers have their show.
 
Bottom line, it's just a show.
(my son smiles all the time when not on stage)
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/07/31 14:30:54 (permalink)
 I think you hit it on the head Bapu when you said ," Give the fans what they want".
 
 There's a lot of that " crying in my beer" country music out there. Misery loves company. Just pick your misery and someone else shares it.
 
 Can you confidently say  that all death metal bands are merely for show? If you can, more power to you. I can't say that and feel confident about it in every case. In some cases I think lifestyle can cross over into the showmanship. If we only sing for the show where is our soul in that? This would mean that all death metal bands only write their lyrics for the showmanship of it. If this is in fact true then the lyrics really mean nothing on any deeper level. Roight?..
 
 Rap,pop,metal...doesn't matter. Come up with a theme that connects with a group of people and they will like the show.Give em' what they want. But is it real?

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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/07/31 14:53:26 (permalink)
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I can only speak of my son and his band. And that is of course just my opinion.
 
They are passionate about their music. But the live show does require showmanship and let's face it, if they cam out weaing pink flowered shirts and smiled while they played and sang about putrid decay, they fans would not "believe" them.
 
I will now speak for my son, over the years he played tuba and trombone in the high school orchestra/marching band. Marimbas in the drum line. Guitar in the Jazz band. Later he added violin and bandoneon to his instruments. Since then he has composed songs in such diverse styles as rap, metal, klezmer, rock, big band, tango dance music and folk rock. He even did a cover of Journey's 'Any Way you Want It" in Barber Shop Quartet style.
 
So I ask, is he untrue to his Death Metal audience when he composes in folk rock style? Or the fact that he simply love Queen songs. I think not. I believe that he is passionate about whatever he does and I know that his other band members are cut from the same cloth.
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/07/31 15:07:57 (permalink)
I think sharing thoughts about putrid decay has a lot of downsides.
 
 
 
 
 
 
But that's still probably better than doing a Journey cover. :-)


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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/07/31 15:47:45 (permalink)
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I think sharing thoughts about putrid decay has a lot of downsides.
 
 
 
 
 
 
But that's still probably better than doing a Journey cover. :-)


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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/07/31 15:50:07 (permalink)
McQ,
 
That's all him live (no autotune/pitch shift)
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/07/31 16:57:03 (permalink)
It's awesome.
 
The chorus hooked me!
 
:-)
 
I thought I even heard some shave a gog in there.


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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/07/31 17:00:26 (permalink)
My boy ain't no gog off the old block.
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/07/31 17:07:27 (permalink)
And then there was the birthday song he wrote and recorded for me made from a series of tiny instruments (wood flute, tiny accordion, percussive instruments etc.) I've purchased for him over the years.
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/07/31 17:08:55 (permalink)
How about a Metal cover of ELO?
 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/07/31 17:11:50 (permalink)
Here's his take on 2001
 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/07/31 17:13:06 (permalink)
And Rod Serling covers Prince
 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/07/31 17:18:48 (permalink)
McQ,
 
The boy was on Fire
 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/07/31 17:27:08 (permalink)
I promise to listen to each one... I'm in the middle of listening to loud geetar.
 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/07/31 17:37:24 (permalink)
I just think it's great that even after having you as an example, he STILL became a musician!
 
(I keed!  I keed!)

 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/07/31 17:45:17 (permalink)
All of those songs were fun and very well done.  I think my favorite of the bunch was the birthday song. 
 
(You gave him a toy accordian???  What were you thinking??!  The Karmic retribution could be massive!!!)

 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/01 08:32:08 (permalink)
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I think sharing thoughts about putrid decay has a lot of downsides.
 
 
 
 
 
 
But that's still probably better than doing a Journey cover. :-)




  LOL. 
 
 Bapu you certainly have one talented chip off the old block there. I never intended to point the finger at anyone on any kind of a personal level. I know for a fact that a lot of these guys singing these lyrics may not have even written them. Bare with me here briefly. I drew a connection between the idea behind any album and the people who made it happen. I guess this started when I questioned album art and some of the intended examples. I tend to pick things apart to a level that might make some grow tired of reading this. I'm sorry I only have one brain and this is how it works.
 
 I think my main thoughts behind what I see are- A. Even if it's only a show and there is no personal participation in the meanings of the art/music the fact remains that someone wrote those lyrics and music coming from somewhere for some reason that I would like to think is baring someones soul on some level or is attempting to lead the listener to a place.
 
 If I sang  "God Bless America" but I had no interest in America the song itself would still convey a meaning to thousands of people. B. The idea that other people connect with the message of the song or album art/theme/idea says that this isn't an isolated event and that whatever it is  likes to be shared on a communal and personal level, noted by concert attendance and album sales. I think that if we are honest about what we see we need to admit something about humanity that isn't good.If art is a representation of real life then we are seeing some of our flaws first hand. This really isn't about metal, heck I even took a stab at a metal tune. Still haven't learned how to mix guitars though. https://soundcloud.com/starise/what-you-gonna-do-when-the
 
 I actually like metal music. I guess this is the kind of thing that has me asking questions-
 
 

 

 
 
 

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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/01 09:04:29 (permalink)
 
 
I like music that transcends genres.
 
If it's good music I can listen with my eyes closed and feel it's power to suggest a mood and vibe.
 
Everything else is extra stuff.


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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/01 10:58:02 (permalink)
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The grunge look was welcome, but, imho, but it's like a pendulum swinging back and forth. Just like we needed something to counterbalance the excess of leather and spikes and glitter and hair spray I feel that the opposite excess (which is just as calculated) is getting old.
 
I don't think it depends on the music you like, not strictly. I love all kinds of music. I was a DJ back in the early-mid 90s and I have very fond memories of the grunge scene exploding - bands like Nirvana, Soundgarden - and even Pearl Jam ( there, I said it). It was great to see people on stage that weren't all made up and apparently were there for the music.
 
But THAT became just as fashionable. Anyone wearing a tuque on stage is as big a poseur as any of the guys in Poison, anyway. 
 
 
I don't think I'm being partial to music I like. I mean this below is one of my favorite bands. As much as they influenced me musically, I don't think there's any piece of clothe I've ever owned which was a result of me trying to emulate their sense of fashion. That's as bad as hipsters. Heck, I wouldn't want to be in the same room as them or even touch them with a 10 ft pole.
 

 


I've never noticed ....if you stand, you're shorter in the mirror but if you're sitting down you're the same height.....and maybe a little taller. Maybe it's from being able to spin around so fast.




 Boy....they sure knew how to dress in those days.

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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/01 16:36:50 (permalink)
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If I sang  "God Bless America" but I had no interest in America the song itself would still convey a meaning to thousands of people.


Maybe, but I think you'll find that the insincerity still comes through.  The best songs are those where the performer really feels it when they sing - that definitely translates to the audience well!  (And is also why those live performances are kept and raved about for years to come.)
 
Heck, in voice-over training they always tell you to smile more!!!

 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/02 05:48:29 (permalink)
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.  The best songs are those where the performer really feels it when they sing - that definitely translates to the audience well!  (And is also why those live performances are kept and raved about for years to come.)
 

 
Like THE "live" album, Kiss Alive! 

 
Wait...
 
 
What do you mean "not entirely live"?
 

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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/02 07:52:07 (permalink)
 
Kiss Alive (I) was one of the greatest bubble gum pop records to come out of the 70's.
 
The target audience was 14 year old boys that had an actual interest in girls.


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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/02 13:49:07 (permalink)
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Kiss Alive (I) was one of the greatest bubble gum pop records to come out of the 70's.
 
The target audience was 14 year old boys that had an actual interest in girls.



HEY!  I resemble that remark!
 
(Another iconic live album back then was the aforementioned Ted Nugent Double Live Gonzo.)

 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/02 13:54:33 (permalink)
The first time I heard Double Live was at a "kegger" at the beach. Something about Great White Buffalo really caught my ear and I stopped to listen.
 
I still have my LP sized Rock n Roll Over decal stored somewhere. ;-)


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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/02 14:01:30 (permalink)
Rock n Roll Over was the first rock album I ever had.  From there I was always on the search for HEAVIER rock but, being a slave to the few rock stations there were in San Diego, it wasn't until Van Halen I and Accept's Balls to the Wall came out that I really started finding it.
 
NOW I'm finding there was some other good stuff back then, but the radio stations simply weren't playing it - damn them!

 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/02 14:18:06 (permalink)
South Florida had some great indie radio stations in the late 70's.
 
Our small town had 3 really fantastic record stores where the folks working were in to every and any thing and anxious to share.
 
 


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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/02 18:22:37 (permalink)
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Kiss Alive (I) was one of the greatest bubble gum pop records to come out of the 70's.
 
The target audience was 14 year old boys that had an actual interest in girls.




I don't know, Mike. Same could be said of pretty much all things pop - except that it's usually marketed for girls. The Beatles would be long since forgotten if not for 12 years old girls who made them famous in the first place.
 
Me, I like KISS. If I want to be philosophically enlightened I'll grab a philosophy book, not a record. If I want poetry, I'll read Baudelaire or Victor Hugo or Rimbaud. If I want my soul to be elevated, I'll listen to Mozart of Bach. But when I listen to popular music, that's not what I'm after. And when popular musicians attempt to hit us w/ knowledge, most of the time, the results are embarrassing at best.
 
So, as one of the few wise men said - shut up and play yer guitar.
 
I'd much rather hear Ace singing Shock Me than some self-conscious turd in a leather suit w/ a messiah complex singing about stuff that's oh so serious. 
 
 

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