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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/02 18:45:26 (permalink)
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Rock n Roll Over was the first rock album I ever had.  From there I was always on the search for HEAVIER rock but, being a slave to the few rock stations there were in San Diego, it wasn't until Van Halen I and Accept's Balls to the Wall came out that I really started finding it.
 
NOW I'm finding there was some other good stuff back then, but the radio stations simply weren't playing it - damn them!




I think it's also the first one I heard. A younger cousin had it - me, all I had was my parents records, out of which I'd settled for Elvis pretty much exclusively. I remember how I loved the contrast between the delicate intro and the hard banging chorus in the first song, I Want You. We just went nuts over that. I didn't really know who KISS were, I'd never been exposed to them, but that album sparked something...
 
Still it wasn't until a couple of years later when a friend lent me Creatures of the Nights that my interest really focused on that kind of music. I'd made a copy w/ a little tape recorder in front of the speakers - so much for sound quality - and I listened to that tape until it was worn out. 
 
It opened the door for the rest of the stuff - Van Halen, Def Leppard, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and all of them. And yeah, Accept. They're one of the few bands who came to perform in that little city closer to home - Metal Heart tour. That's another album I listened to until the tape fell apart. Too bad my mom didn't allow me to go see them. But she gave me money so that a friend could grab a shirt for me. I wore the heck out of that thing. Looking back, it was probably the ugliest shirt I've owned. Mine had the classic 3/4 black sleeves and "1985" written in the back.
 

 
 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/02 19:29:04 (permalink)
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Kiss Alive (I) was one of the greatest bubble gum pop records to come out of the 70's.
 
The target audience was 14 year old boys that had an actual interest in girls.




I don't know, Mike. Same could be said of pretty much all things pop - except that it's usually marketed for girls. The Beatles would be long since forgotten if not for 12 years old girls who made them famous in the first place.
 
Me, I like KISS. If I want to be philosophically enlightened I'll grab a philosophy book, not a record. If I want poetry, I'll read Baudelaire or Victor Hugo or Rimbaud. If I want my soul to be elevated, I'll listen to Mozart of Bach. But when I listen to popular music, that's not what I'm after. And when popular musicians attempt to hit us w/ knowledge, most of the time, the results are embarrassing at best.
 
So, as one of the few wise men said - shut up and play yer guitar.
 
I'd much rather hear Ace singing Shock Me than some self-conscious turd in a leather suit w/ a messiah complex singing about stuff that's oh so serious. 
 
 




Funny, but I thought Mike was praising it. 
 
But I suppose it depends on how you view "bubble gum pop for 14 year old boys with an interest in girls".

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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/02 19:52:57 (permalink)
Well if he was, then I guess we agree. :)

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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/02 20:51:17 (permalink)
I was. we do.
 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/02 22:07:36 (permalink)
Hi,
 
I always thought that "metal" was just like the old days of the punk scene ... it was an anti-image thing, and I'm ok with that, except that some of the musical ability of some of those bands, is so weak, as to be boring and pathetic.
 
There are a couple of good ones here and there, and I happen to appreciate Dream Theater a bit, and have seen them in concert twice, but calling them metal is kinda strange ... they are way too composed to be just "metal", and if that guitarist played a flute, or a violin, everyone would think he was a master player of some sort ... but no ... because it is electric he is just another thrasher out there. He does know his notes and chords though!
 
Rain went lefty? ... nahhh the photographer was drunk and turned the film backwards! Plus in Las Vegas, long hair is not exactly the best selling act!
 
 
 

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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/02 22:14:48 (permalink)
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Hi,
 
I always thought that "metal" was just like the old days of the punk scene ... it was an anti-image thing, and I'm ok with that, except that some of the musical ability of some of those bands, is so weak, as to be boring and pathetic.
 
There are a couple of good ones here and there, and I happen to appreciate Dream Theater a bit, and have seen them in concert twice, but calling them metal is kinda strange ... they are way too composed to be just "metal", and if that guitarist played a flute, or a violin, everyone would think he was a master player of some sort ... but no ... because it is electric he is just another thrasher out there. He does know his notes and chords though!
 
Rain went lefty? ... nahhh the photographer was drunk and turned the film backwards! Plus in Las Vegas, long hair is not exactly the best selling act!
 
 
 




Yeah, for the last year I've been trying to re-learn the instrument, correct things, change the way I position my hands and all - but I didn't go as far as switching to lefty. :)
 
I was/am working on a little something which required some rehearsal footage and a couple of recent pics - and the webcam on my laptop shots everything in reverse.
 
You're right about Vegas - I've had to adapt or I wouldn't have survived. Shorts aren't all that bad, after all. lol

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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/03 01:28:51 (permalink)
They all had diaheria and they were desperately trying to hold it back ... Just five more seconds until the picture was taken.

All metal bands have diaheria when they get the syphilus from groupies and eat bad food on them long road trips.


After they make millions they eat good food and can afford penicillin.

Simples.
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/03 02:22:05 (permalink)
Never thought of Dream Theater as metal (or heard them described that way before).  Always as Prog.  New Prog, but still it's GOOD Prog!
 
I've got one of Petrucci's training DVD's.  I can somewhat handle the hand and finger exercises he shows before picking up a guitar.  After that I kind of want to toss the guitar out the window.  Hehe...

 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/05 22:42:16 (permalink)
We mentioned Accept earlier in this thread... I'm streaming previews of their most recent album, Stalingrad. It's actually pretty intense. Andy Sneap behind the mixing desk probably is in it for something.
 
Last I'd heard was, IIRC, Russian Roulette, which was a bit of a let down.
 
EDIT - Man, make that their last 2 records. Surprisingly good heavy metal.
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/06 00:37:01 (permalink)
Hmm...  I think I'll have to listen to Blood of the Nations tonight (their one before Stalingrad - I don't have a couple, All Areas Worldwide & Metal Blast From The Past or their newest - might have to check that out!).

 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/06 01:03:40 (permalink)
I've just listened to Blood of the Nations - I bought both after my quick preview. These two albums are definitely going on my gym playlist. 
 
The one thing that slightly bothers me - as with every album in recent years - is the length. I miss the good old days of to-the-point/45 minutes albums which left you wanting more. But the albums are great. And I love the way the sound.
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/06 01:07:57 (permalink)
What's the matter, can't fit two albums on your 90 minutes cassettes anymore?

 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/06 01:14:37 (permalink)
Looks like YouBoob has the full new album available - listening now.  Sounds good so far!
 
Isn't it interesting that if you insert the word "well" before each word in "hung, drawn and quartered" it doesn't sound like a bad thing?

 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/06 10:30:42 (permalink)
Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy??
 
They are unhappy.
They really wanted to do Manilow covers.

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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/06 12:17:29 (permalink)
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They are unhappy.
They really wanted to do Manilow covers.



Mammaries, under the mooblight...

 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/06 22:56:10 (permalink)
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What's the matter, can't fit two albums on your 90 minutes cassettes anymore?




LOL I think that that's how my brain works - 45 minutes has got to be enough.
 
I've always preferred to listen to whole albums. I'm guessing that for some people, 70 minutes + worth of songs is actually nice, but for me it means that I don't get half as familiar w/ the album because sitting there to listen to over an hour of music isn't something I do everyday. 
 
Give me 30 minuters, like Sabbath's Master of Reality and I'll listen to it every chance I get. 

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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/06 23:36:39 (permalink)
Hearing 5 different mixes of the same song added to the CD as filler gets really old too...

 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/07 01:27:15 (permalink)
Absolutely. I was trying to not be as opinionated as I tend to be - even if I know I'm right and the problem isn't me. ;)
 
 

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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/08 14:45:07 (permalink)
" They all had diaheria and they were desperately trying to hold it back ... Just five more seconds until the picture was taken. " LOL.
 
 Oh that explains it then..that and the Manilow complex. Craig I personally have nothing against Moobies. I usually watch rated R or PG-13 :)
 
 I guess a big tent question might extrapolate a few different kinds of reasons. I liked the comment," They look unhappy because they are unhappy" 
 
 To show what a real...as Yorolpal would say...dim bulb I am . I didn't know a band called "Accept" existed. Did you need to accept them or else?

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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/08 19:03:59 (permalink)
I meant to answer to this thread before and forgot! For some reason, metal bands (at least my understansing of them) wanted to have that tough look. Metal was mean so you had to look mean. I never thought of it that way. I've always smiled in all the bands I've been in other than when I was told "dude, you gotta look mean!" I used to fight that all the time because let's be honest...
 
There's no reason for me to look/act mean unless I'm mad. I'm not mad, I feel blessed to be able to wake up in the morning and have a little musicality in my life as well as a wide array of instruments to play. The fact that I can walk, move my hands, see, hear and speak, makes me even more happy. Why on earth would I need to show someone I'm mad when in fact, I'm bursting with happiness?
 
That said, some of the guys doing those goofy poses are doing them purposely. When you get a name for yourself, people sort of accept you and take what you give them. Then again, if all the metal bands thought like me....they would kinda look rediculous if they were all smiling like I usually do. LOL! They may be labeled something else...and that wouldn't be cool if it weren't true.
 
I'm happy....just about 98% of the time I am. I have no problems showing.sharing my happiness. If it reflects something in pictures to where people think differently about me, so be it. Come see a show. :)
 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/08 19:15:42 (permalink)
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I didn't know a band called "Accept" existed. Did you need to accept them or else?




Well, it's up to you, but beware - they're German. ;)

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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/08 22:29:59 (permalink)
 Thanks for chiming in Danny. If all metal dudes are like you then I'm pretty sure it's a well produced ruse as far as album covers go. I know you're not the unhappy type of guy. I might look like that sometimes in the morning before I have my cereal.
 
  Thanks for the invite! I'll see how far away that is from where I am. I know I could get there from here;) 
 
  Rain- I'm glad I never heard them. If I had I might be forced into a decision I don't want to make. . I'll check them out but I don't want them to know. 
  
 
 
 
 

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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/09 02:53:32 (permalink)
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Why on earth would I need to show someone I'm mad when in fact, I'm bursting with happiness?


I keep getting reminded of THIS commercial.  LOL!
 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/09 11:09:44 (permalink)
 
Craig..good one lol.
 
 Hmmm...so if the music isn't mean and ornery and those who participate at least look the part then it won't sell. Maybe anti-establishment is another way to look at it. I think this speaks volumes. 
 
  Some things are just not mean't to go together. http://www.amazon.com/In-Metal-Mood-No-More-Mr/dp/B000005KOE 
 
I will say they did a good job of re arranging those songs. The only problem is they are pretty much unrecognizable. Not my cup of tea but not bad for the genre.

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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/10 01:22:25 (permalink)

I had a picture of me on stage in that attire, but I can't find it (or many other irreplaceable pictures and items like my Mad magazines and Bullseye News dart magazines plus most of my martial arts stuff).  They were all in the same moving box that apparently never came off the truck when I moved here - VERY bummed about that.

 

 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/10 01:55:53 (permalink)
I'm always too happy to be Goth (even if I like the music).

 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/10 03:20:11 (permalink)
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I'm always too happy to be Goth (even if I like the music).




Non sense. You can be happy and goth, see:
 

 
It's even scarier.
 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/10 03:30:19 (permalink)
Siouxsie isn't too happy with him anymore.  Says he's fat too.  LOL!

 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/11 14:43:10 (permalink)
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Why on earth would I need to show someone I'm mad when in fact, I'm bursting with happiness?


I keep getting reminded of THIS commercial.  LOL!
 
(Man Danny, I'd love to see you play sometime.  If you ever get a gig out in the Pacific Northwest let me know!)
 



Hahaha! I must have watched that vid like 5 times in a row Craig!! Thanks for sharing. :)
 
We may just end up in your neck of the woods...some good things in the works for our little cover band and traveling. I'll keep you posted. In the meantime, I'll see if I can dig up some good vids for you. :)
 
Starise: yeah I believe it's all a ploy with most of these guys. You know...they really play into the "entertainment business" part. Speaking of that...and I've been beat up and impaled for saying this.....but...*gulp* I love that Pat Boone CD. LOL! Here's why.....(like you really want to know why eh? lol)
 
I tried to listen to the stuff as a first timer. Like, if we had never heard the real versions of those songs, it's pretty easy to see/hear how they may have been appreciated for the folks that are into that Pat Boone style of music. The other things that totally blew me away.....the arrangements. Seriously listen to the changes with the whole jazz thing going on. Someone had to put some serious time into coming up with those arrangements based on the original versions. Those horn sections are madness in a good way....some of the walking bass lines are off the hook. There's just so much incredible musicianship going on in those songs, I can't NOT like them.
 
I really think there are moments of brilliance. Enter Sandman for example.....if you never heard the original....or could forget about it and think about what was going on in the years of Pat...this is pretty awesome. The same with Crazy Train. Or how about the riff in Holy Diver? This stuff would be considered ground-breaking if those were the original versions of the songs during Pat's time.
 
Sort of like when David Lee Roth put that fiddle band together doing all the old VH songs......"Strumming with the Devil". Here's a song you'll know...and probably hate. LOL! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olk8rZmlhY4
 
Ok, it's different...but if you're a musician that can forget the original stuff that tries to appreciate new directions....you come to appreciate the other elements that are quite crafty from a "producer/arranger" perspective. Listen to that banjo and the fiddle work. Impressive no matter what. The worst thing I hate about a cover of a cover is when it sounds nearly identical to the original. You gotta give Pat and Dave a little credit for totally giving us sometrhing different...well, ok, you don't, but I felt the need to. LOL!
 
Now that said....from the other side of the coin...after hearing the original versions of these tunes.....if I listen like most of us would, I throw up repeatedly, want to smack them for doing such horrendous versions and am in the same boat with the majority of people. BUT....being in the business I'm in, personal bias is what can ruin a listening experience and in turn, you can miss out on some really cool things. For example...when my VH tribute band does "Jump" I now do the "noo oh oh" harmony with my singer in the verse which was stolen from the fiddle version. :) So I'm glad I didn't totally poo poo the idea....even though at first, I did vomit 3 times in a row. :)
 
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Re: Why are Metal Band Pics So Unhappy?? 2013/08/11 15:34:00 (permalink)
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Sort of like when David Lee Roth put that fiddle band together doing all the old VH songs......"Strumming with the Devil". Here's a song you'll know...and probably hate. LOL! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olk8rZmlhY4
 
Ok, it's different...but if you're a musician that can forget the original stuff that tries to appreciate new directions....you come to appreciate the other elements that are quite crafty from a "producer/arranger" perspective. Listen to that banjo and the fiddle work
 
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I could almost agree with you but for his vocal. It's like nobody told him it was a different version and he just ignored the music and sang it like he always did.
 
Disclaimer: I didn't watch it all. I doubt anybody ever has.
 
PS: I'm still sticking with the every day is a bad hair day theory as to why they all look miserable.
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