Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS?

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2011/07/03 19:25:20 (permalink)

Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS?

Why did you choose sonar, over Ableton, Logic, FL Studio, Pro Tools, Cubase
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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/03 19:59:02 (permalink)
    A friend gave me a copy of Cakewalk Pro Audio 6 that he never used. I upgraded to Pro Audio 9 promptly and started using that. I had no idea about any other DAW's or even what a DAW was.
    I am very glad I did. I really like Cakewalk, and I like to support them.

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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/03 20:02:16 (permalink)
    I like the loop record features... I use them as a type of punch in system.

    I really like the basic idea behind layers... it has some bugs or unfully realized functions that need tightening up... but the basic way they work is fantastic.

    I like the way SONAR is open to most VST technology.

    I like the Windows Classic menu and help system... although that is apparently being abandoned for the sake of fashion.

    I like the v8.5 ultra compact track view with the fully customizable tool bar.

    I like floating windows.

    I like the Tools/*wave editor of my choice command"

    I like the way Groove Clip looping seems to have incorporated all the best things about Acid clips.




    I like to play sing along with bouncing red letters in staff view... that's a hoot.


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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/03 20:03:52 (permalink)
    Well, 

    I'm on a PC. 

    How I chose Sonar was - I went to the local music store and wanted to get back into computer music ( I had some basic notation and sequencing program like 10 years ago) and there was a Sonar Home studio XL demo coming to town. I signed up for it and there was a demo of what programs capabilities so I ended up getting it and eventually pushed it to its limitations then got Sonar 8 Producer and have upgraded since.

    Ableton is a different beast, not so much a linear sequencer, I don't know it well, but I don't think it's a 64 bit app, and it's good at grooves and loops.

    Logic is mac only

    Don't know FL Studio, but I don't think it's as fully featured or advanced as some of the other DAWs. 

    Pro Tools is good if you're recording audio and mixing a lot I suppose ( don't know much else)

    Cubase is similar to Sonar as both originally started as MIDI sequencers and now work with audio too.

    Pluses for Sonar X1 - 

    I would say, no dongle required. One of the cheaper of the options.
    PC only so if you have a PC that's good. 

    The forums here are active and generally good and helpful, I've heard they're much better than other DAW's forums and the developers post frequently too.

    Sonar X1 Producer comes with a lot of great plugins to get you started, Rapture LE (i'd upgrade to the full version) Dimension Pro, a number of great effects and the ProChannel which is pretty good overall in the Producer edition. Z3ta is great and they're going to be releasing a new version of that later in July.

    Sonar X1 has nice interface generally speaking, I like the browser, and inspector, the multi-dock is okay. I like using the Piano Roll view for MIDI composition, 

    Cakewalk has great hardware that integrates well with Sonar X1!
    - the roland interfaces - octacapture, quadcapture
    - V-Studio 100 (I have)
    as well as Keyboard MIDI controllers, I recently picked up an A-500 Pro and I really love it a lot, WAY WAY WAY better than my former Yamaha KX-61, better build quality and I won't go on about other features too.

    Then there's their flagship V-Studio 700 (quite expensive though)

    Anyways, 
    Each DAW has it's pluses and minuses, I would suggest that if you have a PC you look at Sonar X1 and Cubase, (haven't used Cubase and it does require a dongle though) you can demo Sonar X1 for free!

    If plan on working with MIDI and softsynths and softsamplers with large sample libraries, I'd definitely recommend Sonar X1.

    Me personally, I'd say my work is maybe roughly a 70/30 split, 70 MIDI, 30 being audio recording, maybe 60/40. It's worked great for me so far, been using it for over 2 years now. 

    To avoid frustrations make sure your computer is relatively up to date, and you have an audio interface with good stable drivers and you should be good to go.

    Sonar X1 isn't perfect obviously, no DAW is.. but it's definitely fun to use, easy to learn (well for me anyways) and the community here has been a HUGE help! so if you did run into issues, there are a lot of knowledgeable and helpful people here which to me is a huge +++1000

    Hope I haven't overwhelmed you, 

    This has been my general experience and opinion. I'd recommend Sonar X1 Producer


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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/03 21:05:33 (permalink)
    Got Cakewalk Apprentice with my first Sound-blaster sound card AWE32.

    Tried Cubase 3.5 decided that Cakewalk pro Audio suited me better Stayed with it ever since.  It does what I want it to do, compose and record music that sounds OK to me ears.  (It is probably worth noting Wookiee ears are some what a little weird.)

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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/03 21:10:44 (permalink)
    Started with Sonar because an LE version came bundled with my first soundcard- an Edirol.

    I also own, because I'm a DAW whore, Ableton and Cubase. I would say Cubase is equal to Sonar overall but is more expensive and requires a "dongle". Ableton is deficient in so many ways I regret buying it now.

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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/03 21:12:55 (permalink)
    Cubase- Dongle and no demo

    Sonar- No dongle demo available

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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/03 21:15:00 (permalink)
     Ableton is deficient in so many ways I regret buying it now. 


    I totally agree with you and this is a purchase I have also come to regret.  There are things I really like about it but I do wish I could take it back.....

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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/03 21:24:55 (permalink)
    I got into Cakewalk cause it was simple and no learning curve.  I had been sequencing commercials and industrial videos on an Alesis MMT-8.  I stumbled on an opportunity to score a 1 hour doc for the History Channel,  but the MMT-8 would score about 4 minutes at a time before it ran out of memory.  Cakewalk locked to Dropframe Sympte TC and i could sequence the whole hour by locking to a VHS tape.  My college roommate gave me an illegal version that I used for 6 years.  i made tons of $$ using it.  Now I feel obligated to purchase every update.    
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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/03 21:50:08 (permalink)
    When I decided to leave Adobe Audition as my main DAW and purchase Sonar 6 PE, the biggest factors were: A Fully functional Demo, No iLok/Dongle protection, it had all the features I wanted/needed and I found it very easy to get  up to speed with.  The others I tried such as Ablelton, FL Studio, Traction, MultiTrack Studio etc., just didn't suit the way I wanted to work at all.  Cubase I never tried but it was out of the running anyway since there was no demo at the time and used iLok/PACE, Protools was also out of the running because I wasn't going to buy any software tied to specific hardware.

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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/03 22:05:50 (permalink)
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    When I decided to leave Adobe Audition as my main DAW and purchase Sonar 6 PE, the biggest factors were: A Fully functional Demo, No iLok/Dongle protection, it had all the features I wanted/needed and I found it very easy to get  up to speed with.  The others I tried such as Ablelton, FL Studio, Traction, MultiTrack Studio etc., just didn't suit the way I wanted to work at all.  Cubase I never tried but it was out of the running anyway since there was no demo at the time and used iLok/PACE, Protools was also out of the running because I wasn't going to buy any software tied to specific hardware.

    Dan


    man, about exactly what I wanted to say.  Plus I had heard it was about the best with MIDI, which is the main reason I left Audition.  Started with 6pe and have 7pe and it works great and am sticking with that for now.  Maybe X2 or something down the line, but no hurry.  My studio does ALOT and meets my needs.

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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/03 22:34:11 (permalink)
    Started with Cakewalk back in the DOS days and here I am.


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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/03 23:27:09 (permalink)
    Although there are several good products, I consider Pro Tools and Sonar the two top competitors.  Here is how I decided between the two.

    1-I've used Cakewalk since Windows 3.1 and I have used Roland VS recorders for a long time.  Therefore, a V-Studio 700 with Sonar represented a minimal learning curve.  Also didn't want to learn Mac on top of everything else.
    2-I think the V-Studio package is extremely well integrated.
    3-Compared to a similar hardware and software Pro Tools package, the V-Studio bundle is very economical.
    4-Sonar has more features and more plug-ins (virtual instruments and processing) for the money than its competitors.
    5-Support is better and cheaper than others--especially Pro Tools.
    6-Everybody has bugs, but Sonar has been around a long time and is pretty stable.
    7-Sonar/Cakewalk has a long track record in both MIDI sequencing and audio recording.
    8-The partnership with Roland adds a lot of value, and I have always had excellent results with Roland gear.
    9-Importing my old Sonar MIDI files was very easy and syncing up and transferring audio tracks from the VS-1680 was foolproof.
    10-The V-Studio offers a lot for the price, including simple automation, the Fantom synthesizer, good preamps, etc.  I looked at it as a total package.
    11-The Pro Channel, especially the extensive EQ and 1176 emulation, were selling points.
    12-Although I purchased X1, Sweetwater installed 8.5 and then upgraded me, which meant I ended up with Lexicon reverb--and that was a big deal as well.

    Only negatives so far: Running 64-bit was new and there were a few glitches getting some virtual instruments and plug-ins running. 

    For the record, I am running Windows 7 64-bit, Intel i7 950 @ 3.07 GHZ. 12GB Memory.
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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/03 23:55:02 (permalink)
    Back in about '97 I was with a friend in a big box music store. I was looking for a guitar preamp and my friend said I should pickup Cakewalk. So I did. It was my first foray into recording since my old Tascam 80-8 back in '78 or so. Absolutely did not "get" the whole thing. But I was really enjoying my Rocktron Vodoo Valve pre... Bought a Roland VS2400 (I think it was) and I could relate. I would upgrade Cakewalk and what came to be Sonar about every three versions... But still preferred my "analogue world".

    A few years ago someone "borrowed" (with out my permission)  the VS2400 along with the Voodoo Valve and and some nice Lexicon MPX1 (sniff) units I had so I revisited my skepticism over computer based recording. Mind you I write software for a living so it ain't like I'm binarily challanged. Been with Sonar ever since...I think I was on version 7.0 at the time (3 years ago) and have moved through 8.5 and now X1. Still have my Sonar XL CDs (LOL).

    I'm a skeptic when it comes to software (possibly because I had my own development firm). I think the whole industry is filled with charlatans and snake oil sales tactics. When I started using Sonar 7 (3 years ago) I started visiting this forum. The Cakewalk personnel who regularly contribute here were the defining factor for me. I really didn't see it on the other suppliers (no names they know who they are). 

    At a certain point in all software, assuming all other things are basically equal, I believe it comes down to do you trust the people you are dealing with? I've witnessed the Cakewalk personnel do above and beyond duty on these forums and it appears to me that they are really committed to the product (just my opine).

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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/04 00:23:27 (permalink)
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    Started with Cakewalk back in the DOS days and here I am.


    Ditto.

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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/04 00:28:09 (permalink)
    Let's see? Cubase had just ditched SX for C4. I tried out C4LE, liked it but S5PE offered too much more... really wasn't even a choice. Still love Cubase but somehow Sonar is just more fun to play with.

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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/04 01:37:10 (permalink)
    First attempts at recording I had a Roland MSQ100 sequencer synced to a MC202, TR303 and a couple of midi drum machines and some hardware synths and recorded on a Fostex 4 track cassette.
    I used to use Canenza, a PC midi sequencer for Windows 3.1, still recording to the Fostex.
    Cadenza went to the wall. I had LE copies of Cakewalk (not sure which version, but pre pro-audio) and Cubase, tried them, hated Cubase, loved Cakewalk. Things just progressed from there, through Pro Audio 9 and on to Sonar.
     
    I am still on 8.5.3 which I love. I still have some of the hardware, but its all in storage. I am all "in the box" now. (I am however getting my very first synth a pre-midi Yamaha SY-2 serviced and hope to use it on some projects, and to sample it for Kontakt.)
     
    I have been playing with the X1 demo, it has some nice features, screensets look very useful but I am yet to be convinced by the new interface in general. If I do upgrade I will be installing Sonar Plus.
    I recently had a look at the Reaper demo, I did not like that at all.
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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/04 01:43:04 (permalink)
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    Got Cakewalk Apprentice with my first Sound-blaster sound card AWE32.

    Tried Cubase 3.5 decided that Cakewalk pro Audio suited me better Stayed with it ever since.  It does what I want it to do, compose and record music that sounds OK to me ears.  (It is probably worth noting Wookiee ears are some what a little weird.)

    My story as well. Learning one DAW properly takes so many years (unless you're a pro-/ semi-pro/heavy user), that  I've never seriously thought about changing, because SONAR does what I need.

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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/04 02:02:12 (permalink)
    I liked Cubase but hated the dongle. FL Studio was ok but the sound was not there. To me FL Studio is for Acid or Hip Hop. Not that you could not do that in Sonar but that is what FL Studio is geared for. 

     I loved reason because it is soooo stable. However, you have to be a programmer and if you want really cool sounds. That is not where I want to spend my time. So, I use it as a quick idea machine. 
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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/04 02:06:54 (permalink)
    I used Cakewalk back in the DOS days, found it to be a capable sequencer. Eventually ended up in the Cubase camp for a few years, even designed/built custom DAW PCs for quite a few clients. However, during those years I always followed Cakewalk's progress (as well as other DAWs, felt I owed it to my clients to be as well informed and versed in all options).

    I jumped off the Cubase bus around version 4 of Sonar, took a LOT of Cubase users with me, and haven't looked back. Steinberg's treatment of their users, as well as their employees, plus the Yamaha acquisition was just horrible. But, I found the Cakewalk company to be an entirely different story...

    I was fortunate enough to be employed by Roland Corporation US from 2000 - 2009. During that time I learned quite a bit about Cakewalk, but more importantly the OUTSTANDING people who run the company and the AMAZING employees who support the product. Cakewalk's commitment to continual improvement of their products, truly listening to the users, along with the people who make it all happen -- to me is the most significant difference between Sonar/X1 and anything else on the market today.
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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/04 02:46:44 (permalink)
    When I starting shopping around for sequencing software, without any clear idea of what I needed, I downloaded a 30-day trial version of Sonar 6PE and began using it.  I had intended to try a few alternatives to Sonar before committing, but after 30 days of making good progress, I was happy to continue with it.  By then I was too far down the road to want to change to something different and unwilling to jump to the bottom of a new learning curve, so I made the purchase.

    The availability of a fully-functional trial version was obviously a key factor.  By the end of the 30-day trial period, I had projects in development that I did not want to abandon.

    I can't cite any particular feature of Sonar that attracts me, other than that I find it very intuitive, although I realise that the reason for this is because it was the first DAW software that I tried and I have become accustomed to it.

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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/04 03:13:51 (permalink)
    When I first came to the PC from the Amiga, Twelve Tone was the first company I came across that made sequencing software  that I felt comfortable with. I can't remember which version it was but it was a light version of something If I recall.
     
    I decided to support that company by updating every version to this very day.
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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/04 03:52:26 (permalink)
    It was the only software that used only one view and operated entirely in the horizontal plane.  It doesn't even need a separate pop up window to edit your waves! Everything just happens right there on the arrange page, way cool!

    It was such a breath of fresh air to be released from the stupid 'virtual studio' metaphor, and not have to use a ridiculous picture of a mixer at any point ever, that I stuck around.

    I also never needed to use the manual because there were no hidden functions, and the ones that were there I could customise to my hearts content, especially the content of the TV header.

    Obviously my use case is pretty exclusive so I've now been tossed from the family. :-(

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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/04 04:08:06 (permalink)
    I wanted to do surround and Logic seemed a good DAW. I worked on Logic at the SAE in 2003. So I bought in that year the Roland Studio Package Pro II. In 2004 Emagic was sold to Apple and became Mac only. So I upgraded a few years later to Sonar 7PE.

    Sonar is nice. It has that 64bit I was looking for and overall a sweet package. I hope to upgrade end this year.

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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/04 04:46:49 (permalink)
    I have been around for many years. Cubase on Atari, LOGIC 3,4,5 EMAGIC time Era... Cubase SX3, Cubase4, Cubase 5,6... LOGIC on PC and Logic PRO on Mac, Pro Tools HD, Digital Performance, Samplitude, try out REAPER... try and demo Ableton LIVE several versions...

    Why do I use SONAR X1? Because it's The BEST! Best tool when it comes to x64bit platforms. THE BEST sounding Audio engine and the only one in full 64bit. Cubase audio-engine (32bit) are the most glitchfree though, LOOPING works without dropouts, and second best when it comes to overall sounding.

    So if I would recommend anyone a DAW:

    On PC

    No. 1 SONAR X1,  No. 2 STRONG Second TWO...---> Cubase 6... no doubt about it... No. 3 LOGIC on MAC only. 


    On Mac

    On MAC platform you have only one choice.. LOGIC PRO... forget anything else...



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    cheez
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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/04 07:51:04 (permalink)
    Started with Cakewalk Pro 7. Used it for a while before switching to Logic Gold. Liked that even better. Then Apple bought over Logic and dropped all PC versions. Lost a lot of investment there (I'm still pretty sore about that). Went back to Sonar.

    So...I guess the reason for me is - PC.
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    John T
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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/04 08:10:23 (permalink)
    PC is a big factor in it for me. I actually really like Macs, but the bang-for-buck ratio is better on PC, plus I know more about setting up and maintaining them.

    Apart from that, I've used Cakewalk for a long time, and I've still not seen a compelling reason to switch. I think Cubase is broadly equivalent in terms of features, but I can't see any particular advantages of it, so that's not persuasive.

    There are other younger products that have a lot going for them, such as Ableton Live, Reaper and Studio One, but none of them are as comprehensive as the older DAWs yet. Studio One is the one I'm most interested in for the future, I think that could really go places.

    If I was a younger person starting out now, what I'd choose would mainly depend on how much I knew about sound engineering in general already. Cakewalk 3 or whatever it was was a lot simpler 15 years ago than what we have now; Sonar X1 is not in any way a beginner's choice.

    Despite the complaints from some blowhards on here that it's all being "dumbed down", it's actually a very advanced tool that doesn't make any real concessions to the recording novice. If you've already got some grasp of audio engineering, then it's very powerful. If you're trying to teach yourself from scratch, then something like Ableton, or maybe Record is a better place to start.

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    DeeringAmps
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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/04 11:02:01 (permalink)
    yorolpal


    gustabo


    Started with Cakewalk back in the DOS days and here I am.


    Ditto.


    Well Cakewalk Pro 3.0 on Windows 3.1, so gustabo and ouroldpal have a little more "time in grade".
    Customer #A0050 in those heady days!

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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/04 12:22:29 (permalink)
    I like it cuz Mic McQ likes it.

    I Am a copycat.
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    Re:Why did you choose sonar and what makes it better than other DAWS? 2011/07/04 12:24:02 (permalink)
    sykodelic


    Cubase- Dongle and no demo

    Sonar- No dongle demo available

    Go figure!
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