Paul P
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Why no limiter in X2 ?
Unless I'm missing something (a great possibility) there doesn't appear to be a limiter in X2. Well, there is something that looks like one, but it's looks so outdated I don't dare touch it. Since a limiter is about the only thing that can protect your ears and your speakers against all manner of problems (not to say bugs), you'd think that it would be high on the list of must-haves. X2 gives me all manner of fancy compressors, chorus's and the like, but no limiter ?
And the limiter that Cakewalk sells for the PC is like a third of the price I paid for my entire setup. Does that make sense ?
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/09 19:04:55
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Outdated?
Does it turn into a pumpkin when opened?
Does it smell like fish?
Some of the best reputed plugs are way old and available for free.
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/09 20:12:19
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It does seem strange that a ProChannel limiter is not included with Producer, given the effort they've otherwise made with the ProChannel into making it an all-inclusive mixing setup.
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/09 20:25:45
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I think Boost11 works quite well and is reasonably transparent if you don't push it too hard. If you want it in the Pro Channel you can add it as an FX Chain.
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/09 20:28:15
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Paul P
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/09 23:15:37
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jm24
Outdated?
Does it turn into a pumpkin when opened?
Have you seen the thing  ? I swear it looks like a leftover from DOS days. You're saying that it's a limiter on par with the other components of X2 ? I won't cause me more problems than it's worth ?
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/09 23:20:51
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Paul P
jm24
Outdated?
Does it turn into a pumpkin when opened?
Have you seen the thing ? I swear it looks like a leftover from DOS days. You're saying that it's a limiter on par with the other components of X2 ?
Yes. LOL.
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Paul P
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/09 23:22:17
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garrigus
Boost 11 provides limiting. You should have that because it's included in all versions of X2.
What I'm looking for is the limiter that many people say I should stick on the master bus to prevent any sudden unexpected nastiness from getting through and hurting things. In such cases I don't believe you want to be affecting normal content in any way. Boost 11 looks more or less like a compressor to me (it doesn't seem to have any strickly limiting functionality) although the litterature on it mentions peak limiting. How would I set it to get the equivalent of a brick wall protection circuit that won't adversely affect the normal content ?
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/09 23:24:18
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Are you completely helpless to try the damn thing yourself Mr. Paul? It's just a plugin, not a shark, lion or bear. Drag it onto your track or bus, tweak as needed and enjoy. If you don't care for it delete it and move on.
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Paul P
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/09 23:32:29
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twoifbysea
Are you completely helpless to try the damn thing yourself Mr. Paul?
No However... I'm a bit hesitant because of problems I've read about when trying to use ancient plugins in X2. I found a video showing this limiter and one of the comments is that it doesn't even install in X1 if you don't specifically ask for it. I think I have it because when I installed X1 before X2 I checked just about all the boxes since I had zero plugins beforehand. I know I'm coming across as a bit of a complainer. That's not my intent, it's just the way I talk...
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/09 23:34:20
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Or use the Sonitus compressor's limit function or use a freeware limiter like George Yohng's W1 limiter.
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backwoods
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/09 23:40:22
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how does boost 11 look more or less like a compressor?
It functions in a similar way to other limiters- gain and ceiling
It's not ancient either and who cares what a plugin looks like?
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Chappel
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/09 23:58:39
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Paul P
Unless I'm missing something (a great possibility) there doesn't appear to be a limiter in X2. Well, there is something that looks like one, but it's looks so outdated I don't dare touch it. Since a limiter is about the only thing that can protect your ears and your speakers against all manner of problems (not to say bugs), you'd think that it would be high on the list of must-haves. X2 gives me all manner of fancy compressors, chorus's and the like, but no limiter ?
And the limiter that Cakewalk sells for the PC is like a third of the price I paid for my entire setup. Does that make sense ?
Compressors are limiters... or is it the other way around? Anyway, you can set a compressor to act as a limiter by using a high ratio and a hard knee. Here's an image of the Sonitus compressor I quickly set up to act as a limiter. Adjust as you see (hear) fit.  Click the plugin to make sure it has the focus and press F1 to see the help menu for it. Here is what it says about its limiting function: " Limiter toggle Toggles the built-in peak limiter on/off. States: On or Off When you adjust the gain so that the output level exceeds 0dB, the limiter will automatically attenuate the peaks to a safe non-clipping level. This means that you can safely boost the output gain by up to 30dB without any fear of clipping distortion. You can even use fx:compressor only as a limiter, if no compression is applied. When the limiter is disabled, the signal will be clipped rather than limited."
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Marcus Curtis
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/10 00:06:11
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Boost 11 is a peak limiter. It is one of the mastering plug ins that comes with Sonar. I think it works pretty well. There is a limiter button built into the Sonitus compressor. If you don't like those options and if you would like a new limiter. Look at some of the free VST effects out on the web. One of my favorite sets of free vst dynamic plug ins are the Kjaerhus plug ins. They have a good limiter. Or try the beta bug limiter http://www.acoustica.com/plugins/vst-directx.htm http://www.betabugsaudio.com/plugs.php can't get first link to work, but it will work if you copy and paste. hmmm well sorry about that. but the limiter is there for free if you want to try it. copy and paste the first link.
post edited by Marcus Curtis - 2013/01/10 00:20:29
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/10 00:11:52
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Paul P
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/10 00:13:02
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Chappel
Compressors are limiters... or is it the other way around?
Thanks Chappel, I'm realizing this very quickly. Chappel
Here's the one I was talking about. It's the cakewalk logo that scared me  Message to Scott : may I suggest you put a "limiter" entry into the index of your next power book 
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Paul P
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/10 00:23:04
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Thanks to you all for the different options. As you can tell I don't know what I'm talking about. I tend to use X2 late at night when everyone is asleep so I use closed headphones (Sennheiser MX280HD) and am always afraid of receiving a blast that'll blow my brains out (some DimPro comments were cause for worry).
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/10 00:27:39
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/10 00:36:31
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I have used George Yohng's the most (wrapped it in an FX chain when X1 Expanded came out). I would still be using it were it not for the sale on the ProChannel Limiter and recently buying FabFilter Pro-L. In truth, I have not spent much time with Liniter6 or Molot03 but first impression was they were pretty nice. With the full set of ProChannel modules and FabFilter stuff, I have stopped messing around with much else and settled down to learn the ones that I have paid for.
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/10 00:46:28
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Lots of people on this forum say Toneboosters make a nice one that is inexpensive. But it does have significant latency. This is where the Concrete Limiter really stands out.
I was looking around the Gearslutz forums the other day and it is very interesting over there. There are jusrt as many useless know-it-alls as any other forum but mixed amongst them are some obviously very talented and repsected professionals.
Several of them were saying the best limiter these days is one called the Nugen ISL- but I think that sort of thing is for the hardcore people who are doing post production on major films etc.
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Chappel
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/10 01:21:06
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Paul P
Here's the one I was talking about. It's the cakewalk logo that scared me
Yeah, I have that one, too. Works fine in my 32 bit setup.
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/10 01:40:17
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Go check out Fabfilter's stuff. Man its good.
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/10 02:20:14
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If you use the Sonitus compressor you don't even have to go so far as adjusting anything. Just clicking on the limit button will work regardless of compressor settings.
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/10 02:23:24
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Yes, I would think that is what you would do if all you wanted was the limiter. At least, the documentation reads that way.
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/10 02:32:45
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Yes, I would think that is what you would do if all you wanted was the limiter. At least, the documentation reads that way.
Yes, but what I get from the info is that the Limiter feature of the Sonitus compressor limits audio at 0 db to protect from clipping. If you want to use a lower limit, then you need to adjust the ratio/knee/threshold settings. "When you adjust the gain so that the output level exceeds 0dB, the limiter will automatically attenuate the peaks to a safe non-clipping level. This means that you can safely boost the output gain by up to 30dB without any fear of clipping distortion. You can even use fx:compressor only as a limiter, if no compression is applied. When the limiter is disabled, the signal will be clipped rather than limited."
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/10 02:37:23
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scook
Yes, I would think that is what you would do if all you wanted was the limiter. At least, the documentation reads that way.
Yes, but what I get from the info is that the Limiter feature of the Sonitus compressor limits audio at 0 db to protect from clipping. If you want to use a lower limit, then you need to adjust the ratio/knee/threshold settings.
"When you adjust the gain so that the output level exceeds 0dB, the limiter will automatically attenuate the peaks to a safe non-clipping level. This means that you can safely boost the output gain by up to 30dB without any fear of clipping distortion. You can even use fx:compressor only as a limiter, if no compression is applied.
When the limiter is disabled, the signal will be clipped rather than limited."
That is correct. The limiter function is as basic as it can get. It just limits the output to -0.1 dB, no frills. I doubt I'll be recommending it as a mastering limiter but as a protection device it works fine. 
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/10 04:18:59
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Not much more to add to what's already been said
Boost 11 will work if you don't push it too hard, the Sonitus also works as a Limiter.
I use TRacks Brickwall Limiter, which does add a bit of latency but it's totally transparent
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/10 08:35:54
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jm24
Outdated?
Does it turn into a pumpkin when opened?
Have you seen the thing ? I swear it looks like a leftover from DOS days. You're saying that it's a limiter on par with the other components of X2 ? I won't cause me more problems than it's worth ?
You are correct!! It looks like it was created in the '80s. And we all know anything created before last month has got to be past its sell-date. "Its got COLOR on it. It is not just all gray and stuff. I can't touch it." I can only infer you are way young. ================================ Antiques Roadshow: "I was on my way to the dumpster and decided I would keep the frame." The painting was a sought after lost piece that sold at auction for $60k. It 'looked' outdated. ========================= Without distain I write: Your general ignorance is interfering with your ability to develop experience.
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/10 09:39:14
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Re:Why no limiter in X2 ?
2013/01/10 10:16:17
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Limiter no.6 is my favorite limiter so far.
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