Why no phase invert on bus tracks?

Track (Bus :-)) Inspector?

Sorry - I was thinking of Interleave.

+1.   The Phase button is actually (AFAIK) Polarity, which can only exist where a wave file is.
 

That is interesting.  I have often seen people clone tracks, reverse polarity of one, and then use EQ sweeping or other effect on one track to create an interesting sound (like an extreme wah-wah or a quasi-envelope-follower sound), but, to Beagle's point, this requires recorded audio.

I mostly did it this way because I needed the ducking of the EQ to be based on another track and I couldn't find any way to automate it, drawing in automation would be a nightmare.

It's a nice way to have 2 tracks that competes in the same spectrum without compromising one or the other by applying a static EQ or volume ducking with a sidechain compressor. When one needs the room it ducks the spectrum it needs on the other track. Done with bass in a full mix you can hardly hear it's being done.

I'll have a look at the EQs you mentioned.

That's what I resorted to also, but there's a bit of delay added so you don't get complete cancellation.

Currently looking at the Blue Cat plugins, most of the analyzing vsts they have can send automation CC's based on peaks so that might be a better solution to automate things like EQ in realtime.

Kenneth,


Yes given your example I can see that, and I can see the need for a lower latency solution. When I used phase reversal it was with two buses that had identical stereo effects and parameters, I sent two identical signals reversing the phase on one of the buses would cancel both effects with no loss of latency or delay. Then adjusting some of the parameters in one of effects on one of the buses caused only the tail end of the effect to be heard. Great studio trick, but your example calls for a lower latency solution. Let me know what you find. I also looked at those blue cat plug-ins

I just discovered the phase trick with purchased stereo drum loops.
 
i was struggling with standard EQing, until i tried the "carving" technique with 2 tracks out of phase.
 
FANTASTIC! my drums POP now.
 
only issue is organization.
 
i usually have a track for grooves and another for fills.
 
with the phase EQ trick, i need a pair for each spectrum carve. basically kick, snare/tom and overheads.
 
that's 12 tracks.
 
i had the BRILLIANT idea to have 2 tracks (grooves and fills) AUX sending to 3 pairs of busses.
 
but alas, no phase button on the bus. makes sense though, you need wave data to invert.
 
looks like some options out there though...
 
... AAAND this little guy recommended by Bristol_Jonesey worked like a charm on the BUS
 
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Audio/Audio-Plugins/RS-Phase-Reverse.shtml
 
it's bare bones, and has a LITTLE sonic residue - but workable:
 


 
there may be other, better plugins for this, but this gives me hope AND keeps my track count down.
 
i'd rather bus than track.
 
nice stuff!
 
this phase "carving" trick is the friggin' POOP!!!
 
it's kinda like an ALPHA MASK in Photoshop.
 
damn, my nipples are hard with this stuff.
 
 

If I were looking to invert phase on a bus I would use Channel Tools or use an Aux track instead of a bus. I would avoid 32bit plug-ins where possible.

i briefly looked at the Sonitus fx:phase plugin.
 
not sure if this will work for my purposes. will try after work.
 

plus i use 32 bit VST whenever possible.
 
vintage - they just sound better.
 

 

the plug-in is called "Channel Tools"
It is available in Professional and Platinum
 
32bit plug-ins load in an external server. No matter how trivial the plug-in there is still the overhead of the 32bit bridge.

Whatever, I will refrain from commenting in the future.

ok, GOT IT!
 
yes indeedy, channel tools is it!!!
 
i knew there was a reason i went Platinum.
 
thanks everyone!