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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 12:20:05
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vintagevibe
Finding a working solution would be more productive than knitting.
But as has been pointed out, finding a working solution is not possible if others don't experience the problem or can't reproduce it. If this was a common problem, I imagine there would be a lot more quite a few posts about it.
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 12:43:31
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vintagevibe
If I have to pay to get it fixed it will be just another reason to use Cubase more and avoid Sonar. I just need to get some work done.
http://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=184
Just sayin'...
And that's NOT to pick on Cubase...if you'd mentioned any DAW I could have found something equivalent.
Anything that runs on Windows is going to have problems and those problems are going to differ. Think the Mac will solve your problems? Here's a forum devoted to issues regarding a piece of software designed by a company to run only on their hardware...
http://www.logicprohelp.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=42
Point is you will have problems with any DAW. At some point you have to decide whether to live with them, address them...or take up knitting instead
A Hallehlujah...I agree 100%!...That is why I like Sonar or cakewalk....It does have issues...but from the get go, once you have the OS system working properly...((if that is possible))?...You get what you need to do everything you could imagine and more!....Thanks for that CW...And I know they are trying to make the best product possible , under those confines...with out bragging too much...And most are getting things working with it...So another bravo!.... I also have now bought a MAC Pro. With Logic x..Just to see what it is all about..???..So many have told me,"""" if you want to get professional results and less hair loss...Mac is the way to go """"".....I know it is not true...but for fun, let us see as witness, with the best of the best or near that so called new Mac Pro canister, I could afford to splurge on...and then we can say for sure....But I already agree with you, because I have been to those forums...Just to see what is up!. And pro tools...which I also have for both platforms....their forum is active with issues too!..in both camps! Wink wink ..and Stienberg for me once upon a time...was also in my camp...but the outlandish coding, and pay per fixes...Is what brought them to where they are now....?...And they got bugs still also...That is why I tossed them into the Garbage....And because of their rude support at the time....I will never go back to their audio software product, even though ASIO is their baby!
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 13:11:33
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vintagevibe
Finding a working solution would be more productive than knitting.
But as has been pointed out, finding a working solution is not possible if others don't experience the problem or can't reproduce it. If this was a common problem, I imagine there would be a lot more quite a few posts about it.
So the answer to my original question is either "yes" or that there will be no fix. Thanks for the input.
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 13:23:15
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vintagevibe
Finding a working solution would be more productive than knitting.
But as has been pointed out, finding a working solution is not possible if others don't experience the problem or can't reproduce it. If this was a common problem, I imagine there would be a lot more quite a few posts about it.
So the answer to my original question is either "yes" or that there will be no fix. Thanks for the input.
No that is not right...What is being put forward is they need more input from you, to see if it can be fixed by those who have scope into troubleshooting issues on PCs....if you do not provide them with that info...There is nothing they can do for you....So ...it is up to you, or some other with those issues to present the information needed to address it....If it is not common...And so far It is not common...might have been buggy in past builds...Could be a device conflict...?...Who knows?...with out further info...it is hidden under something you have installed or in that setup...somewhere....Perhaps?..not saying there isn't a issue with that and your setup....But I see the other side of their need to want to help you more, by getting what they need to help you. Blessings and bliss might be a resulting factor?....I know Alex is very skilled and Bob also, and there are other builders here to...of a very high order...So there is a lot of technical support Right here, in this domain.....Don't deny it...let it flow! If you feel this is of some kind of sabotage tactic?....Back up or clone your existing Drive as it is, or remove ithe so called working drive, and make a fresh Drive install of Your OS...but remove the connection to internet first....And start with a new build of OS on that system for a backup...while working with the techs here or elsewhere to setup win correctly from the get go...and build slowly to install all things you need....bare basics first....And see if that helps resolve anything...then add the plug ins you want to use one by one...And see if that effects the new build....when you have time to address it.....One step at a time....or just let someone see the info of your setup....And see if it can be resolved that way.....It is completely up to you where you want to go with this.....But there are solutions to every problem or a work around....might take time....But you make the choice. Be well!
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 13:50:48
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Considering there don't seem to be any other reports or complaints regarding this specific issue anymore if you do not file a report to the Bakers with your specific details it is unlikely it will even be fixed in the next paid upgrade (unless by chance due to other fiddling they happen to do).
You know the old saying... if it ain't broke don't fix it. That can be extended to this situation by saying if they don't KNOW it's broke why/how would/could they fix it.
So as it is I'm gonna say the simple answer is no... it won't be "fixed" before the next upgrade and if you don't report it is unlikely to even be "fixed" WITH a paid upgrade.
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 14:06:35
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vintagevibe
So the answer to my original question is either "yes" or that there will be no fix. Thanks for the input.
You are drawing the wrong conclusion from the input I've provided. The answer is "yes" if you do nothing. The answer is "likely" if you can reproduce the bug so it can be examined and fixed. No one else has mentioned experiencing this problem with X3e, so it's doubtful someone else will provide steps to reproduce. System-specific solutions require the participation of the person with the system. Another possible answer is "no" if some other update in your system fixes the problem due to there being an undesirable interaction with Sonar rather than a specific problem within Sonar.
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 14:22:29
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vintagevibe
So the answer to my original question is either "yes" or that there will be no fix. Thanks for the input.
You are drawing the wrong conclusion from the input I've provided.
The answer is "yes" if you do nothing.
The answer is "likely" if you can reproduce the bug so it can be examined and fixed. No one else has mentioned experiencing this problem with X3e, so it's doubtful someone else will provide steps to reproduce. System-specific solutions require the participation of the person with the system.
Another possible answer is "no" if some other update in your system fixes the problem due to there being an undesirable interaction with Sonar rather than a specific problem within Sonar.
My system is freshly built with all latest drivers. I have a degree in programming and spent 8 years doing tech support for Hewlett Packard so I'm not speaking from an uninformed perspective when I say it is most likely that this is a Sonar issue. My steps to reproduce are to just use Sonar. I'm am just too busy to deal with it and I've not had good experiences with cakewalk support. The good new is I'm busy.
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 14:29:02
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At least in X2, the time line is the only graphical element which is drawn differently from everything else in SONAR (for whatever reason). I have not checked with X3 yet.
Not every end user is able/want/will debug/trace problems. Many do not even want to report them. That is usual in computing world and I do not see any reason to react on the original post the way you do.
The "community" do not have the source code to check either possible cause is deductible just from the fact someone has the problem. The developers can. Only once they end nowhere, they can kindly ask for additional information.
From many other posts I know that most power users are smart and experienced. But they periodically play "fun boy" songs...
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 16:34:53
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My system is freshly built with all latest drivers. I have a degree in programming and spent 8 years doing tech support for Hewlett Packard so I'm not speaking from an uninformed perspective when I say it is most likely that this is a Sonar issue. M steps to reproduce are to just use Sonar. I'm am just too busy to deal with it and I've not had good experiences with cakewalk support. The good new is I'm busy.
Your experience has nothing to do with it. Whether you're Albert Einstein or just downloaded a Sonar trial for the first time, if you experience an issue, you experience an issue. No one doubts that. I did a search and it seems this was a major issue with X2 yet virtually non-existent with X3. However, there were several workarounds people found in X2. Apparently there was also an issue with Enable Desktop Composition having to be enabled in Windows, and making sure that process was set to Automatic for that function. Here are some others that were mentioned: I got the Now Time Marker back. I am not positive as to how though. I think the issue may have been resolved when I went to Performance Options/Visual Effects box and changed the setting from "Let Windows choose what's best for my computer" to "Adjust for best appearance." [He never returned to say the problem had returned. and apparently, Adjust for Best Appearance automatically enables Desktop Composition] Docking the console window will bring back the Now Time. Minimize the main X2 window (the one with the Track view) then restore it, and then the Now Time marker appears, without having to save or do anything else. Grabbing the bar at the top to show/hide the track overview inspector brings it back. Any resizing of the windows will bring back the line as will re-docking the floating view, so it does appear to be a graphics issue. This used to happen to me occasionally. IIRC I could switch to a different screenset and back and that would fix it. If your Now Time Line disappears, the solution seems to be re-docking or re-sizing any window or even changing to another screenset to get it back. AND... don't save your project with a maximized view over the main view. If you press 'I' twice to close and open the inspector the timeline comes back every time Of course these relate to X2, so possibly what was changed from X2 to X3 that fixed this for most people may have "broken" the workarounds. I only found one other person saying this remained a problem with X3 and he did not post a workaround. OTOH he didn't bump the thread that mentioned it or said it persisted. Now, obviously a fix would be better but these comments may contain a clue that the Bakers might have something to go by that's more concrete than "I have a problem." If not, at least there are [supposedly] workarounds that don't require closing/opening a project or re-starting. I can't confirm any of these because without experiencing this problem (and I have Sonar running on four very different computers with very different graphics capabilities and three different operating systems) I can't try a workaround. I'd be happy to feed data to Cakewalk on anything that could provide even the slightest clue, like whether it disappears in the navigator as well. So far, these have been like UFO reports - the people who've seen them believe totally that they've seen them, but they can't provide any physical evidence for those who haven't seen them.
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 16:51:30
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Not every end user is able/want/will debug/trace problems. Many do not even want to report them. That is usual in computing world and I do not see any reason to react on the original post the way you do.
The "community" do not have the source code to check either possible cause is deductible just from the fact someone has the problem. The developers can. Only once they end nowhere, they can kindly ask for additional information.
i don't think anyone expects a user to debug a problem, but given that this was a major problem in X2 and a minor problem at best with X3, ANY clues would be helpful - like how often does it happen (we don't know if it's once a month or once a minute), does the now time disappear in only one view or all views, or whether any of the workarounds that worked for people with X2 solved the problem in X3. And if no workaround solved the problem, that's a clue as well. It would take but a few seconds to include that type of information in a post. For example if the OP had said "I tried all the workarounds mentioned in [linked thread that was the first hit on google] and none of them worked," then I would have known not to spend my time looking for a solution. But I looked anyway and collected them all in one place just in case he didn't try any of the solutions that worked for other people. I've now seen how Cakewalk works from the inside. Not all, but the vast majority of the bug fixes in releases subsequent to X3 came from users reporting issues. Sometimes all they could give was one or two clues if they couldn't reproduce the problem, but occasinoally those were enough to solve the problem. The biggest problem is that given the lack of mentions of this with X3 and the large number of mentions with X2, the vast majority of users are not experiencing this problem. If something is specific to only a handful of systems, the lack of a fix isn't due to a desire to force people to upgrade, which the thread title seemed to imply and is the main point with which I take issue. It's due to not being able to identify the problem. In fact I fully expect the problem not to be fixed, paid upgrade or not, if someone experiencing this issue doesn't make Cakewalk aware there's a problem and provide at least one or two clues as to when it happens or what workaround fixes it...or at least how often it happens. It's clear from the change in going from X2 to X3 and from X3 to X3e that with sufficient data, Cakewalk can address and improve, if not totally fix, many issues.
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 17:14:02
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CakeAlexS
It was reported a while back and it has been fixed in X3E. Members of the community gave feedback that it was working in X3E for them. I would assume then this is deemed as fixed and is no longer regarded as a bug.
So you are left with three options:
1) Give us exact steps to repro in your scenario (see post #5) and we will try and reproduce at our end to confirm the issue.
2) Give Cakewalk a call and ask them if it is still a known issue in X3E that we don't know about here in the forums. Or maybe they can nail it down to a PC configuration issue.
3) Live with it.
Be aware that not even the mighty Cakewalk will not be able to fix a bug like this without full steps to repro from somewhere.
Cheers...
Alex vintagevibe
My system is freshly built with all latest drivers. I have a degree in programming and spent 8 years doing tech support for Hewlett Packard so I'm not speaking from an uninformed perspective when I say it is most likely that this is a Sonar issue. M steps to reproduce are to just use Sonar. I'm am just too busy to deal with it and I've not had good experiences with cakewalk support. The good new is I'm busy.
Congratulations, like it or not you have chosen option 3. End of thread then. We can all get on with our life ... (I'm busy as well). (BTW were you expecting all of us to solve it for you because you thought that we were all less busy than you? Or were you just not interested in resolving this... in which case why bother posting). Cheers....
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 17:14:08
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To me it sounds like a video adapter or video driver problem. I had all kinds of similar weirdness with my ancient cheapo Nvidia card before I upgraded. VV did you name your video card somewhere in the thread?
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 17:31:34
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CakeAlexS
End of thread then.
Not quite. We still don't know how often this happens. If it's not frequent, and one of the workarounds does the job (like typing "I" twice, which seems pretty painless), then it's the end of the thread unless other people can chime in and confirm that this is indeed an issue for more than just a handful of people.
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 17:53:11
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Hi Craig, Well we haven't seen any complaints since X3E about this. The OP hasn't gone into any detail about this issue, even if somebody says they have the exact same symptoms it would be pure speculation to say that this would be the same issue as the OP as we can't compare without any detail.... and the next poster would have to post steps to repro anyway.... So really the thread is pointless waste of time at least so far. Right now I'm speculating the issue was system specific (graphics card, mouse drivers etc).... and anybody who says any different needs to help by provide evidence to the contrary (of course we are all happy to help in this scenario). The OP says he's a software developer so he should know the score... Cheers...
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 17:59:41
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The OP [...] the OP [...The OP says]
Don't wanna start a fight, but vintagevibe is a veteran poster here, so let's cut him some slack right? Sven
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 18:16:05
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Sorry this is the internet, "OP" is not a derogatory term. Nothing that I've quoted here is untrue or designed to be an attack, rather frustration at my end that we've wasted so much time on this thread and got nowhere. We are on post 46 now and still none the wiser of the exact issue. We are all repeating the same advice and have had no real feedback so I bow out of this now.
Cheers..
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 18:21:25
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CakeAlexS
The OP [...] the OP [...The OP says]
Don't wanna start a fight, but vintagevibe is a veteran poster here, so let's cut him some slack right?
Sven
I agree; that's why I researched workarounds, and tried to find other people who experienced the same problem. But I could find only one, and there was no follow-up from him, so at this point if VV can't post a bug report or as an option provide me with at least something about the nature of the problem along with specs that include the video card, whether he's using a high-res mouse, etc. (who knows? maybe there's a known issue), I've run out of ways to help. Hopefully one of the workarounds will do the job. I do think the thread title was off the mark, though. I don't think Cakewalk even knows that some people are still experiencing problems unless either someone there wades through this thread, someone files a bug report, or I tell them (which I will if I can provide them any kind of clues).
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 18:22:58
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"OP" is not a derogatory term.
Of course not, "The OP" is something I've no problem of being called as a noob on some forum. However, I wouldn't refer to you or Beepster or Bapu or whoever as "The OP" in your own threads. I'd call you by your screen name or your real name if you'd made it official. It's the sort of thing that makes this place a community.
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 18:24:26
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I do think the thread title was way off the mark, though.
I do agree since "we" implies the issue is widespread...
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 18:34:47
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"OP" is not a derogatory term.
SvenArne
Of course not, "The OP" is something I've no problem of being called as a noob on some forum.
However, I wouldn't refer to you or Beepster or Bapu or whoever as "The OP" in your own threads. I'd call you by your screen name or your real name if you'd made it official.
It's the sort of thing that makes this place a community.
Sorry but there is nothing offensive implied by saying the word "OP" referring to "Original Poster" or "Opening Poster". It's a perfectly polite term on the internet and if I wish to use it from time to time I will, sometimes we take shortcuts down to lack of time. Also it can keep threads clear because sometimes threads get so long readers lose track of the original topic and who the original poster was. It's perfectly valid and if I created a thread and was referred to this way I would not be offended.... Thanks....
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 18:51:12
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 18:52:43
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Sorry Alex, I already deleted my post since it was out of line...
[might be cranky since two of my favorite teams just got bumped out of the World Cup tonight...]
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/04 18:53:27
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I deleted mine as well :)
Cheers :)
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/05 00:04:34
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CakeAlexS
The OP [...] the OP [...The OP says]
Don't wanna start a fight, but vintagevibe is a veteran poster here, so let's cut him some slack right?
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Thanks Sven. There is a small group of people that get very defensive here but I just ignore it. I've actually been on this forum since it was a News Group if anyone remembers that.
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/05 01:54:18
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Anderton
how often does it happen (we don't know if it's once a month or once a minute), does the now time disappear in only one view or all views, or whether any of the workarounds that worked for people with X2 solved the problem in X3. And if no workaround solved the problem, that's a clue as well. I happens maybe every 5 th session. Wasn’t aware of workarounds. I have enough workarounds in Sonar already. System: Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3-B3 AMD Radion HD 1540 16gig RAM Intel i72600k Win 8.1 Anderton
The biggest problem is that given the lack of mentions of this with X3 and the large number of mentions with X2, the vast majority of users are not experiencing this problem. If something is specific to only a handful of systems, the lack of a fix isn't due to a desire to force people to upgrade, which the thread title seemed to imply and is the main point with which I take issue. I wasn’t implying that they would do it on purpose. I only wanted to know if it would be fixed in this cycle without me have to upgrade to be rid of it. I was unaware that others didn’t see it in X3e. Anderton
Another possible answer is "no" if some other update in your system fixes the problem due to there being an undesirable interaction with Sonar rather than a specific problem within Sonar. Then I tend to think that it won’t be fixed in this cycle since only a few are experiencing it. Also I think it is far more likely that it is a Cakewalk issue since they apparently “fixed” it once. In the last few years I’ve called Cakewalk several times but have gotten little actual help and long-time bugs see to never get fixed. Even if I had time to spare, trouble shooting Sonar has become a rabit hole that has led nowhere. I really just wanted to know if they were going to fix this. As I pointed out, given that they apparently fixed it for most, isn't it highly unlikely that they would fix it again this cycle even if someone pinpointed the problem?
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/06 00:20:30
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vintagevibe
I happens maybe every 5th session. Wasn’t aware of workarounds.
Did any of the workarounds work, like typing "I" twice? System: Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3-B3 AMD Radion HD 1540 16gig RAM Intel i72600k
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I can find no mention of an AMD Radeon HD 1540 or ATI HD 1540 on AMD's web site or on the web. There are no drivers listed for support. Apparently their first series was the HD 2XXX series. FWIW I did find multiple graphics issues reported by gamers using Radeon graphics cards. It's possible the disappearing now time in X2 that was noted by multiple users in X2 is a different issue entirely than the one you're encountering in X3, but just happens to have the same symptom. I really just wanted to know if they were going to fix this. As I pointed out, given that they apparently fixed it for most, isn't it highly unlikely that they would fix it again this cycle even if someone pinpointed the problem?
The easier it is to reproduce a bug, the more likely it will be fixed. But given that I couldn't find any reference to the graphics card, don't know if any of the workarounds worked for you (which could give a clue as to what might fix the problem and where to look for it), it's an intermittent issue that happens sporadically, and has only been mentioned in this forum by two people (and the other one was seven months ago and he didn't follow up), at this point I think it would be extremely difficult to find the problem, let alone fix it - especially if it's system-specific, which certainly seems to be the case or other people would be corroborating your experience. FWIW I'm using a Radeon HD 5450 without issues but I'm not running Windows 8, which was often referenced in web reports of problems with HD series cards.
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/06 02:13:03
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That video card was a typo. It's actually a Radeon HD 5450. (I think my last build had a 1540) I'm working on Cubase projects currently and the problem is intermittent so I don't know if the workarounds work. I have no graphic problems with any other software on the system.
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/06 06:30:41
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At least in X2, the time line is the only graphical element which is drawn differently from everything else in SONAR (for whatever reason). I have not checked with X3 yet.
What do you mean by this? I'm a games programmer and work with graphics daily, so when people suggest this is a video card problem rather than a Sonar problem, I am very sceptical. But perhaps there is something more to consider here, and you know a bit about it?
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Re: Will we have to buy the next version to get rid of the disapearing NOW LINE bug?
2014/07/06 07:54:21
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KylotanWhat do you mean by this? Apparently there was also an issue with Enable Desktop Composition having to be enabled in Windows That confirms my observation with X2. I develop my plug-in under Linux. So I had to make SONAR somehow running under wine. The NOW LINE is always on top there, visible over all other windows. If you are game programmer, you can understand the reason - one of the possible ways to optimize redraw speed. But then Desktop Management is involved in that process, with all possible consequences.
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