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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/10/15 11:31:06
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/10/15 11:48:38
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No where is the eula that says all this. The one I have appears no more intrusive than any other eula. I don't want some one else's interpretation but the pertinent sections that are saying what YDHTCMMJ alleges.
For example what if you are a lawyer and are using word to prepare a plea for a client. If MS were to get that doc they could be held criminally culpable for doing so. If they passed it on to the police all heck would be brought on them. Both civil and criminal. Further no licensee agreement can over ride the constitution and the bill of rights. One can not as a matter of law sign away ones rights.
Nothing is as simple as people think when it comes to contracts.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/10/15 13:34:20
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The eula is directly tied to the privacy policy, as stated in the eula, which contains lots of very obscure acquired permissions via the eula. Rund and round. And the examples of what all needs to be disabled is amazing. And not complete. MS clearly states that updates can and do change settings. Which means after every update the user will have to review all the dozens of settings to assure they have not been changed. This provided link is particularly revealing: http://lifehacker.com/what-windows-10s-privacy-nightmare-settings-actually-1722267229 What is concerning is how many people defend these practices by noting that, "At least the MS managers ALLOW users to change these settings." A thief informing me he is going to steal my stuff only makes him a polite thief. He should not be excused. All of the settings should be OPT-IN, not OPT-OUT.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/10/15 13:57:45
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YouDontHasToCallMeJohnson
A thief informing me he is going to steal my stuff only makes him a polite thief. He should not be excused.
All of the settings should be OPT-IN, not OPT-OUT.
A person who asks you if they can have your stuff is not a thief, they are just asking you. If they take your stuff anyway then they are a thief.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/10/15 14:09:12
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No excuses can alter the fact that Microsoft has turned into a controlling, intrusive monster. Those of us old enough to have read Huxley's Brave New world and Orwell's 1984 can see this clearly. The younger generations, bred on decades of propaganda, don't get it. They are easy prey for the advancing forces of Big Brother. They will laugh at what they see as my paranoia. Just what the doctor ordered.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/10/16 03:54:49
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☄ Helpfulby SteveStrummerUK 2015/11/10 16:56:00
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/10/16 04:47:45
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michael diemer
No excuses can alter the fact that Microsoft has turned into a controlling, intrusive monster. Those of us old enough to have read Huxley's Brave New world and Orwell's 1984 can see this clearly. The younger generations, bred on decades of propaganda, don't get it. They are easy prey for the advancing forces of Big Brother. They will laugh at what they see as my paranoia. Just what the doctor ordered.
why single out microsoft particularly? they're all at it... and brave new world turned out to be more accurate than 1984
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/10/16 14:12:51
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Why single Microsoft out? Because 90% of the world is on Windows. The potential for harm is thus much greater.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/10/16 14:24:17
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ner, ms aren't personal/mobile enough, unlike say google, facebook, apple...
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/10/16 14:39:03
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Bristol: most excellent irony!
Windows is not like chrome. I cannot stop using windows. It is the computer. That is why this is more disturbing.
And to say, "They are just like everyone else, so what's the big deal," is exactly what they want you to think.
None of them should be allowed to do this. These are evil people. Mostly not knowing what they do is wrong.
It is disturbing so many react by attacking the messengers instead of the true villains. But isn't that how it always is when somebody criticizes?
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/10/16 19:31:06
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My studio computer died and I had to replace it. My new one came with Windows 7 Pro and a Windows 8 Pro disk. Since I had already upgraded my other 3 computers to Windows 10 and liked it I decided to see if the upgrade would cause me any problems. Fortunately everything I was running had drivers for Windows 10. Since I had to reload everything anyway I went ahead and upgraded it. It's worked really well. If my other computer wouldn't have given out on me I might not upgraded since everything had been working fine.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/10/17 03:40:36
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YouDontHasToCallMeJohnson
Bristol: most excellent irony!
Windows is not like chrome. I cannot stop using windows. It is the computer. That is why this is more disturbing.
And to say, "They are just like everyone else, so what's the big deal," is exactly what they want you to think.
None of them should be allowed to do this. These are evil people. Mostly not knowing what they do is wrong.
It is disturbing so many react by attacking the messengers instead of the true villains. But isn't that how it always is when somebody criticizes?
i take it that you don't use a "smart phone"? if you don't like windows there are many versions of linux to choose from also, while funny, that pic is a fake ;-)
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/10/17 05:08:32
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I finally upgraded to Win 10. I had put it off until now as it's my main computer, but I backed up everything first and trialed it for a few days. I have to say I really like 10. Sonar loads quicker, cloning a track is almost instantaneous and boot times are a tad quicker. It's not intrusive and everything works. I'm a fan. Making music is now better and with Platinum - and RME UFX - I'm a happy muso. Plus 1!
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/10/17 05:58:17
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Hi Now I agree with LJB After a few teething problems Like Pro 53synth not working and Integrating a few IK Multimedia Synths Into Sample tank,All Is rosy In the garden. I have notice that speed Is much faster and all looks very stable. like the dok says get all your drivers up to date and you should be sailing. You have got to keep up with technology or you will get left behind. Wake up you Luddites!! All the best John 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/10/17 06:13:25
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it. There's many w/ many problems when upgrading to 10. On my next system I'll do a clean install of 10 but until then I'm gonna save myself the potential headaches.
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/10/17 08:33:03
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Bristol_Jonesey
I live 10 mins walk from that building. It's fake of course.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/10/17 11:24:57
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YouDontHasToCallMeJohnson
Bristol: most excellent irony!
Windows is not like chrome. I cannot stop using windows. It is the computer. That is why this is more disturbing.
And to say, "They are just like everyone else, so what's the big deal," is exactly what they want you to think.
None of them should be allowed to do this. These are evil people. Mostly not knowing what they do is wrong.
It is disturbing so many react by attacking the messengers instead of the true villains. But isn't that how it always is when somebody criticizes?
i take it that you don't use a "smart phone"?
if you don't like windows there are many versions of linux to choose from
also, while funny, that pic is a fake ;-)
Which sucks for many things. The other option is the proprietary but expensive world of Apple.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/10/17 11:39:51
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☄ Helpfulby Kev999 2015/10/18 15:50:12
Very interesting thread. I bought a StudioCat Laptop Pro running Win 7 Enterprise in early 2015, and it works just about perfectly with Sonar X3 producer: fast, reliable, plenty of capacity for plugins, tracks, etc. So I wonder not only about the OS upgrade; I wonder about upgrading Sonar too.
If the tools you use are effective and efficient, not to mention inspiring, what's the marginal gain from changing those tools? To put it another way, is your OS the most important thing standing between you and more/better music? Are the functions and features in your current applications constraining your output?
For me, the answer right now is no. My tools work brilliantly. Pursuing different tools right now will have less of an effect on the quality and quantity of my output than writing better music and spending more time producing it. The tools have evolved to the point where the delta between what I have and the state of the art is apparently marginal.
Something will come along sooner or later that's impossible to resist, either because it's obviously much better than my previous status quo, or the manufacturer leaves the user no option but to upgrade. Until then, I have a stable, fast machine and applications that have already dramatically exceeded my expectations, and I can spend my time making better music, as opposed to messing with the system that I use to make music.
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michael diemer
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/10/17 13:08:42
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kitekrazy1
pwalpwal
YouDontHasToCallMeJohnson
Bristol: most excellent irony!
Windows is not like chrome. I cannot stop using windows. It is the computer. That is why this is more disturbing.
And to say, "They are just like everyone else, so what's the big deal," is exactly what they want you to think.
None of them should be allowed to do this. These are evil people. Mostly not knowing what they do is wrong.
It is disturbing so many react by attacking the messengers instead of the true villains. But isn't that how it always is when somebody criticizes?
i take it that you don't use a "smart phone"?
if you don't like windows there are many versions of linux to choose from
also, while funny, that pic is a fake ;-)
Which sucks for many things. The other option is the proprietary but expensive world of Apple.
Thank you Australia guy. The prophets of the Old Testament were similarly despised. As for Linux, I am on Ubuntu now and I love it. If it were not for the fact that I work with notation in sonar, I would be able to use Linux for music. Reaper will probably be Linux-able in the near future, and it will also have some sort of notation view. I still use W7 on my music rig, but I'm confident that by 2020 (W7 EOL), Linux will be just as good as Windows for music. If you don't need notation, it is already. You can use Bitwig. Or the free ones like Ardour. It's also important to point out that Linux does not suck at anything; rather, the software developers aren't considerate enough to make their products work on it. It is a very mature and powerful OS, capable of anything Windows or Mac can do, with considerably less bloat. I recommend Ubuntu, Zorn or Mint.
post edited by michael diemer - 2015/10/17 13:19:44
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/10/18 11:41:35
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Unless you have the "pro" version and can control your updates - upgrading to Win10 is basically agreeing to be a beta tester.
MS is allowing corporate customers to defer updates - the testing is first done with a smaller group, then "rolled" out to all those upgraded Win7->win10 "home" users. Beta testers. That's why it's "free" - you get what you pay for.
No thanks.
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/10/18 11:54:19
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cityrat
Unless you have the "pro" version and can control your updates - upgrading to Win10 is basically agreeing to be a beta tester.
MS is allowing corporate customers to defer updates - the testing is first done with a smaller group, then "rolled" out to all those upgraded Win7->win10 "home" users. Beta testers. That's why it's "free" - you get what you pay for.
No thanks.
The situation is no different whatsoever from when earlier versions of Windows first came out if you stick to the default (2000/XP/Vista/7/8.0) on home or whatever. It's always taken 6 to 12 months for new Windows versions to stabilize. Windows 7 and 8.1 took less because in effect they were paid service packs for Vista/8.0. With Pro you just have more options to choose from, I've always bought the Pro version anyway I strongly recommend upgrading. I absolutely sympathize waiting until just before it no longer becomes free, but basically whether you like it or not hardware and software support for Win7 will, almost suddenly, get cut off one day.... maybe sooner than you think.
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JoeyAudioey
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/11/09 16:01:13
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What incentive do I have to migrate to Win 10?
I know I'm a bit late to the party here, but we've actually published a few blogs explaining the more technical reasons you'd want to upgrade to Windows 10: SONAR Performance Benchmarks using Windows 10 (spoiler alert: Windows 10 wins) Windows 10 Enhancements for Music Production (an in-depth look at what has changed in Windows 10, and how it will affect the computer's performance as it relates to music production) What Windows 10 Means for Music Creators (A clean list of improvements in Windows 10 that are relevant to audio, plus a few short videos from our CTO, Noel Borthwick) I hope this helps! I made the switch myself just last month. While your mileage may vary, I've noticed a drastic improvement in the machine's performance.
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rebel007
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/11/09 20:06:49
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Using a 32bit install I managed to get my available memory in Widows7 to 3.2GB. After the upgrade to Widows10 I can't get it above 3GB. It's not a great difference but there are a few projects in Sonar that won't run now because of that loss of 200MB. It means the culling, or replacement of a few VST's to get the projects to run. My only other issue is that the computer now seems to take anywhere from 2 to 10 minutes to perform it's housekeeping after bootup, and Sonar is unusable until it settles down.
Mostly I'm happy with Win10, it does seem very snappy, and with very little effort, everything runs smoothly, including Sonar.
I've forked out many, many thousands of dollars on instruments and my studio, so I'm not too worried if I have to upgrade to Win10 pro, or even enterprise, if it means I can close any privacy concerns in the OS. I do think there are probably programs on my computer that are of more concern regarding privacy than Widows though.
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kitekrazy1
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/11/09 20:41:08
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You probably can't upgrade to W10 Enterprise. I think it's dumb MS went the distro way for the everyday consumer.
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/11/09 20:55:14
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I'm worried the FSF might hack into my machine.. Looking at this it might have already....
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/11/10 02:35:21
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Personal Privacy = Personal/Private Power. Do you show your hand to everyone in a poker game? Do you give the enemy the exact coordinates of your position for their artillery on a battlefield? Win10 is a data miner pure and simple. The bigger question is why do the powers that be need to know everything you do? The answer is the same as it's always been = Money, Control, & Power. Why? Because the powers that be are paranoid of what they don't know. It's not rocket science, it's human nature.
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/11/10 08:11:51
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So are all OS's.. Even previous Win versions. If you disable all the Win10 functionality that intrudes on your privacy you will be as safe as running on Win7. Anyway has been covered before in detail. Loop....loop...loop..
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/11/15 17:39:27
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kitekrazy1
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/11/15 22:29:10
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Reason # 385,028 to hate Windows 104 machines networked together. 3 -W7 Pro, 1 -W10Pro
After the f'update 2 machines could not access shared drives in W10 machine. It would require a user name and password.
Turn off protected password sharing is always checked but W10 after updates just seem to ignore this. This was a quirk with W7 but the only problems I have is Advanced sharing settings seems to be broken in W10.
I might even like W8.1 over 10.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/11/16 02:04:04
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Doktor Avalanche
I'll write it another way...
Those upgrading within the free period take your time.
To those not upgrading within the free period...
When Cakewalk drops support of Win7 or Win8 for Sonar, because the latest Microsoft libraries force them to do so, much like when they had to drop Vista support, don't say I didn't warn you! Also please don't expect the wait for that to happen to be as long as Vista had.
Not only that your drivers and plugins suppliers will also be forgetting about these OS's.
Yup people are still running unsupported Vista (getting increasingly difficult I suspect) but we can't guarantee this scenario in future.
It's gonna be a few years at least, but this may happen sooner that you think (not like it was in the past).
Cheers..
I seriously doubt support for WIn7 is about to stop anytime soon! A lot of businesses were still using XP until recently, and I'm certain plenty are still using Win7 till the wheels fall off. Vista was a flop-because it had numerous stability and compatibility issues. Businesses simply didn't adopt it, which forced MS to quickly get Win7 to market. This is an excerpt from a page I don't recall about XP... There wasn't supposed to be a VistaIt's easy to forget that when Microsoft launched Windows XP it was actually trying to change its OS business model to move away from shrink-wrapped software and convert customers to software subscribers. That's why it abandoned the naming convention of Windows 95, Windows 98, and Windows 2000, and instead chose Windows XP. The XP stood for "experience" and was part of Microsoft's .NET Web services strategy at the time. The master plan was to get users and businesses to pay a yearly subscription fee for the Windows experience -- XP would essentially be the on-going product name but would include all software upgrades and updates, as long as you paid for your subscription. Of course, it would disable Windows on your PC if you didn't pay. That's why product activation was coupled with Windows XP. END... ____________________________________________________________________________ They obviously changed the plan of course. MS, wants to avoid another die-hard cult of XP users when it comes to W7, which is likely one motivation for the free upgrade to Win10. The more people they can get to switch, without a need to buy a new computer or software, the faster they can get rid of Win7. A lot of people had the: Get Win10 BS installed on their machines in a underhanded fashion to support their scheme. I think people should be more worried about what the future holds for W10 and how MS could easily cripple your system by making certain aspects a subscription at some point. What's in it for them to give you a free OS? Not being in complete control of updates should worry folks. I wouldn't be so quick to want to see Win7 retired!
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