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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/11/16 06:43:00 (permalink)
Personally, I have an older USB sound card (M-Audio Fast Track Pro) I am basically still happy with so upgrading is out for me since the driver would never be updated anyway.  I have upgraded to Win 10 on my laptop that I use for other things (Android dev, SQL Server dev, etc...) relating to my day job and I must say I like the new OS so far.  But I have no problems with Win 7x64 so why go through the hassle?  Basically, Windows 10 upgrade from Win 7 gets you five extra years of support before EOL occurs, but if your system is now stable and not going to need to be updated, just leave it alone.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/11/16 07:28:13 (permalink)
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I'll write it another way...

Those upgrading within the free period take your time.

To those not upgrading within the free period...
When Cakewalk drops support of Win7 or Win8 for Sonar, because the latest Microsoft libraries force them to do so, much like when they had to drop Vista support, don't say I didn't warn you! Also please don't expect the wait for that to happen to be as long as Vista had.

Not only that your drivers and plugins suppliers will also be forgetting about these OS's.

Yup people are still running unsupported Vista (getting increasingly difficult I suspect) but we can't guarantee this scenario in future.

It's gonna be a few years at least, but this may happen sooner that you think (not like it was in the past).

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I seriously doubt support for WIn7 is about to stop anytime soon! A lot of businesses were still using XP until recently, and I'm certain plenty are still using Win7 till the wheels fall off. Vista was a flop-because it had numerous stability and compatibility issues. Businesses simply didn't adopt it, which forced MS to quickly get Win7 to market.
 
This is an excerpt from a page I don't recall about XP... 
 

There wasn't supposed to be a Vista

It's easy to forget that when Microsoft launched Windows XP it was actually trying to change its OS business model to move away from shrink-wrapped software and convert customers to software subscribers. That's why it abandoned the naming convention of Windows 95, Windows 98, and Windows 2000, and instead chose Windows XP.
The XP stood for "experience" and was part of Microsoft's .NET Web services strategy at the time. The master plan was to get users and businesses to pay a yearly subscription fee for the Windows experience -- XP would essentially be the on-going product name but would include all software upgrades and updates, as long as you paid for your subscription. Of course, it would disable Windows on your PC if you didn't pay. That's why product activation was coupled with Windows XP.  END...
 
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They obviously changed the plan of course. MS, wants to avoid another die-hard cult of XP users when it comes to W7, which is likely one motivation for the free upgrade to Win10. The more people they can get to switch, without a need to buy a new computer or software, the faster they can get rid of Win7. A lot of people had the: Get Win10 BS installed on their machines in a underhanded fashion to support their scheme.
 
I think people should be more worried about what the future holds for W10 and how MS could easily cripple your system by making certain aspects a subscription at some point. What's in it for them to give you a free OS? Not being in complete control of updates should worry folks. I wouldn't be so quick to want to see Win7 retired!
 
 


Looping again.
Win7 out of mainstream support. There is no guarantee Sonar will be supported with it from now (although I suspect we have at least another year). All MS has to do is drop a library so it no longer supports Win7. There are ways to get developers eyeballs to concentrate on other OS's.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/11/16 07:33:42 (permalink)
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Windows 10 upgrade from Win 7 gets you five extra years of support before EOL occurs, but if your system is now stable and not going to need to be updated, just leave it alone.

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It's out of mainstream support. Your major worry is whether third parties (applications, drivers, hardware etc) will continue to support it. If MS makes life difficult for them they won't.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/11/16 11:55:31 (permalink)
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Windows 10 upgrade from Win 7 gets you five extra years of support before EOL occurs, but if your system is now stable and not going to need to be updated, just leave it alone.

Windows Lifceycles Fact Sheet


It's out of mainstream support. Your major worry is whether third parties (applications, drivers, hardware etc) will continue to support it. If MS makes life difficult for them they won't.


I've toyed with the idea of upgrading, but I'd also have to by a new sound card too.  I may just do that, because I'd like to get a Firewire device anyway as my USB bus is full ;)  Looking at the Saffire range, specifically the Pro 14 or 24.  But many people seem to think Firewire is all but dead, not that I agree ;)

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/11/16 12:01:23 (permalink)
I got a FW interface to prevent potential USB conflicts as well. Some people think a bit too far ahead when they proclaim obsolescence on things IMO. There are often aftermarket vendors who fills gaps if a need exists.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/11/16 13:15:51 (permalink)
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Windows 10 upgrade from Win 7 gets you five extra years of support before EOL occurs, but if your system is now stable and not going to need to be updated, just leave it alone.

Windows Lifceycles Fact Sheet


It's out of mainstream support. Your major worry is whether third parties (applications, drivers, hardware etc) will continue to support it. If MS makes life difficult for them they won't.


I've toyed with the idea of upgrading, but I'd also have to by a new sound card too.  I may just do that, because I'd like to get a Firewire device anyway as my USB bus is full ;)  Looking at the Saffire range, specifically the Pro 14 or 24.  But many people seem to think Firewire is all but dead, not that I agree ;)


FireWire not dead. USB-C and thunderbolt 3 (integrated) is going to revive it.

Be aware there's a problem with win10, saffire and VIA FireWire chipsets. I have this issue, I'm not too worried about it though as I don't intend to upgrade to 10 till next year earliest. Worst comes to worst buy a new FireWire card.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/11/16 13:18:56 (permalink)
Btw nothing stopping you buying a USB card that you could dedicate to your audio interface.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/11/16 14:40:29 (permalink)
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Btw nothing stopping you buying a USB card that you could dedicate to your audio interface.


Size is.  I have a Sweetwater Creation Station that is half-height build (1 rack space).  I have yet to see a half height USB card, but then I haven't looked THAT hard yet.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/11/16 15:13:12 (permalink)
Love my Windows 7.
Running an "Offline" machine (so no Virus protection needed). 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/11/16 15:36:52 (permalink)
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I'll write it another way...

Those upgrading within the free period take your time.

To those not upgrading within the free period...
When Cakewalk drops support of Win7 or Win8 for Sonar, because the latest Microsoft libraries force them to do so, much like when they had to drop Vista support, don't say I didn't warn you! Also please don't expect the wait for that to happen to be as long as Vista had.

Not only that your drivers and plugins suppliers will also be forgetting about these OS's.

Yup people are still running unsupported Vista (getting increasingly difficult I suspect) but we can't guarantee this scenario in future.

It's gonna be a few years at least, but this may happen sooner that you think (not like it was in the past).

Cheers..



I seriously doubt support for WIn7 is about to stop anytime soon! A lot of businesses were still using XP until recently, and I'm certain plenty are still using Win7 till the wheels fall off. Vista was a flop-because it had numerous stability and compatibility issues. Businesses simply didn't adopt it, which forced MS to quickly get Win7 to market.
 
This is an excerpt from a page I don't recall about XP... 
 

There wasn't supposed to be a Vista

It's easy to forget that when Microsoft launched Windows XP it was actually trying to change its OS business model to move away from shrink-wrapped software and convert customers to software subscribers. That's why it abandoned the naming convention of Windows 95, Windows 98, and Windows 2000, and instead chose Windows XP.
The XP stood for "experience" and was part of Microsoft's .NET Web services strategy at the time. The master plan was to get users and businesses to pay a yearly subscription fee for the Windows experience -- XP would essentially be the on-going product name but would include all software upgrades and updates, as long as you paid for your subscription. Of course, it would disable Windows on your PC if you didn't pay. That's why product activation was coupled with Windows XP.  END...
 
____________________________________________________________________________
 
They obviously changed the plan of course. MS, wants to avoid another die-hard cult of XP users when it comes to W7, which is likely one motivation for the free upgrade to Win10. The more people they can get to switch, without a need to buy a new computer or software, the faster they can get rid of Win7. A lot of people had the: Get Win10 BS installed on their machines in a underhanded fashion to support their scheme.
 
I think people should be more worried about what the future holds for W10 and how MS could easily cripple your system by making certain aspects a subscription at some point. What's in it for them to give you a free OS? Not being in complete control of updates should worry folks. I wouldn't be so quick to want to see Win7 retired!
 
 


I think this is pure speculation based on nonsense.  If MS tried to change how the contract works while at the same time making it difficult to not upgrade MS would be swamped by irate users. Also forcing people into paying for a free upgrade by disabling their machines is extortion and illegal.
 
As to what XP stands for only MS knows for sure. Its likely it means nothing. Of course MS had a history of naming its OSs with two letter names Windows NT for example or Windows ME.  Vista was in development for over 5 years and had many names before it was finally released.      

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/11/16 18:46:09 (permalink)
Windows XP was for Windows eXPerience, Windows NT was New Technology and Windows ME was Millenium Edition. Not that it leaves us any the wiser !
 
I have what would be called an aging Q6600 but beefed up with SSD for OS and other separate drives for samplea and projects, additional memory and 3 monitor video card and whilst it was good on Win 7 Pro 64-bit, since my Win 10 upgrade it is even snappier, and DPC latency has dropped too. So, I'm all for it.


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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/11/16 21:35:57 (permalink)
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Windows XP was for Windows eXPerience, Windows NT was New Technology and Windows ME was Millenium Edition. Not that it leaves us any the wiser !
 
I have what would be called an aging Q6600 but beefed up with SSD for OS and other separate drives for samplea and projects, additional memory and 3 monitor video card and whilst it was good on Win 7 Pro 64-bit, since my Win 10 upgrade it is even snappier, and DPC latency has dropped too. So, I'm all for it.




 I've got a Q6600 running on W10. Despite it's lower clock @ 2.4 it's the architecture that makes it great.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/11/16 23:24:30 (permalink)
Just updated to the updated version of Windows10. XLN decided I now have a new OS and wouldn't allow AD to start. I had to uninstall the computer from the XLN installer and install the "new" computer. I wonder if I have to jump through these hoops with other programs or VST's. Sonar itself didn't seem to mind.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/11/16 23:42:55 (permalink)
Sonar 2015 is Windows 10 compatible. We may need to inform XLN that Win 10 compatibility is highly desirable. 

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/11/16 23:47:14 (permalink)
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Sonar 2015 is Windows 10 compatible. We may need to inform XLN that Win 10 compatibility is highly desirable. 


What incompatibility?

They simply require reregistration when the OS changes, that's by design it appears. Whilst it might be a pain in the ass to do it for some, I don't see this as being unreasonable, esp as it's a one time operation with an OS upgrade. It's a pretty simple operation.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/11/16 23:52:23 (permalink)
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Sonar 2015 is Windows 10 compatible. We may need to inform XLN that Win 10 compatibility is highly desirable. 


What incompatibility?

They simply require reregistration when the OS changes, that's by design it appears. Whilst it might be a pain in the ass to do it for some, I don't see this as being unreasonable, esp as it's a one time operation with an OS upgrade. It's a pretty simple operation.



Yes, but if memory serves me, this one time operation has thus far had to be performed twice by some folk, if not all, at the initial change over to Win10, and now again, and who knows how many times in the future. I can't recall if I had to do it or not when I upgraded to Win10, and haven't had to do it this time around so far, as said update may not have reached me yet.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/11/16 23:54:11 (permalink)
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Sonar 2015 is Windows 10 compatible. We may need to inform XLN that Win 10 compatibility is highly desirable. 


What incompatibility?

They simply require reregistration when the OS changes, that's by design it appears. Whilst it might be a pain in the ass to do it for some, I don't see this as being unreasonable, esp as it's a one time operation with an OS upgrade. It's a pretty simple operation.

The OS hasn't changed. Its still Windows 10. Plus I know of no other program that has the same problem. BFD 3 doesn't. 

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/11/17 07:48:47 (permalink)
Then MS are sending major updates that are making it think it's a different OS or XLN have tightened up their code and are making people reregister again or there is some issue with the XLN code and they need to losen it up (if they are willing).

From this I would not state that AD2 is incompatible with windows 10 however. You can still use it.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/11/17 17:45:07 (permalink)
I have fully upgraded / updated both my pc' s to Win 10, and I have near to no issues on both. Win 10 has been a win (win) situation for me so far. I did it more on a whim than anything else. All my plugs and Vsti works as they should on my end. My issues so far have been pilot errors...

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/11/17 18:23:35 (permalink)
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John
Sonar 2015 is Windows 10 compatible. We may need to inform XLN that Win 10 compatibility is highly desirable. 


What incompatibility?

They simply require reregistration when the OS changes, that's by design it appears. Whilst it might be a pain in the ass to do it for some, I don't see this as being unreasonable, esp as it's a one time operation with an OS upgrade. It's a pretty simple operation.



 That is a flaw in XLN's authorization. I don't think anything else in W10 needs to be reauthorized.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/11/17 18:33:02 (permalink)
 
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Sonar 2015 is Windows 10 compatible. We may need to inform XLN that Win 10 compatibility is highly desirable. 


Doktor Avalanche

What incompatibility?

They simply require reregistration when the OS changes, that's by design it appears. Whilst it might be a pain in the ass to do it for some, I don't see this as being unreasonable, esp as it's a one time operation with an OS upgrade. It's a pretty simple operation.



Doktor AvalancheThen MS are sending major updates that are making it think it's a different OS or XLN have tightened up their code and are making people reregister again or there is some issue with the XLN code and they need to losen it up (if they are willing).

From this I would not state that AD2 is incompatible with windows 10 however. You can still use it.

 
kitekrazy1
 That is a flaw in XLN's authorization. I don't think anything else in W10 needs to be reauthorized.




You could be right... Or...consider..
Steam regularly asks for reauthorisation on any OS by design.
XLN may be using a perfectly valid MS programming library for authorisation that the other apps don't use.
Remember authorisation is generally a completely different kettle of fish from app to app (unless it's ilok etc) designed to combat software piracy. With good protection the methods and code changes quite regularly.
 
You will have to ask them what the real story is, they are probably aware of it. I can't see how any conclusion can be made right now as to what the actual reason is.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/11/18 15:03:14 (permalink)
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Sorry if I'm missing something obvious, but I'm running Sonar Platinum x64 on Windows 7 x64 SP1 and I'm really satisfied with the system stability and operating environment.  What incentive do I have to migrate to Win 10?  Grateful for any enlightenment.


One reason: Touch Screen
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/12/29 22:32:44 (permalink)
I am late to the party I have been holding on to Windows 7 Pro and loving it but my laptop is about to give up the ghost and most new laptops are Windows 10.  I have read mixed reviews in this thread mainly people liking windows 10 so my question is should I go for Windows 10 64bit?  Also as of today are there any known install issues with Lexington with Windows 10 64 bit?
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/12/29 23:39:50 (permalink)
No there are no install issue with Lexington. Sonar has been Windows 10 compatible before Windows 10 came out.  

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/12/29 23:55:37 (permalink)
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No there are no install issue with Lexington. Sonar has been Windows 10 compatible before Windows 10 came out.  


Thanks Jon your thoughts on this deal http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=9848836&sku=LCU-103056460&SRCCODE=WEM4750BY&utm_source=EML&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=WEM4750
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/12/30 11:06:46 (permalink)
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I am late to the party I have been holding on to Windows 7 Pro and loving it but my laptop is about to give up the ghost and most new laptops are Windows 10.  I have read mixed reviews in this thread mainly people liking windows 10 so my question is should I go for Windows 10 64bit?  Also as of today are there any known install issues with Lexington with Windows 10 64 bit?

 
I'm on Win 7 and I'm not planning to upgrade to Win 10 on my studio laptop.  That machine is stable and loaded with all things Sonar and plugins and audio.  The thought of porting to a new machine is not one I want to entertain.  But, our non-studio laptops are running Vista, are limited on memory, and are outdated.  I picked up a Win 10 machine from a local big box.  I've barely explored it, but I much prefer the Win 7 gui.  As for performances I'm not knowledgeable enough to comment.  I've never used Win 8.
 
Perhaps by the time my Win 7 laptop is outdated, Win 10+ won't be so unfamiliar.
 
Good luck with your upgrade.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/12/30 11:36:01 (permalink)
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John
No there are no install issue with Lexington. Sonar has been Windows 10 compatible before Windows 10 came out.  


Thanks Jon your thoughts on this deal http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=9848836&sku=LCU-103056460&SRCCODE=WEM4750BY&utm_source=EML&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=WEM4750


That looks like a nice machine.I wont go so far as say it the one you should get because I don't know. I would buy it though.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/12/30 12:32:55 (permalink)
Hi to all,
I did make the jump. Mostly to test my m-audio 1010lt card because I know there will be no drivers written for a 'Legacy' product. Everything loaded by itself, except for some third party stuff. AD2 had to be redone. But, no problem. Have not used melodyne yet, but it appears to be there. It is faster than Win 7 IMO, and with the new sonar enhancements it is all good. Still waiting to run into the problems that seem rampant, but can't seem to cause anything. On well, the tests will be coming I imagine🆒
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/12/30 13:21:27 (permalink)
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I am late to the party I have been holding on to Windows 7 Pro and loving it but my laptop is about to give up the ghost and most new laptops are Windows 10.  I have read mixed reviews in this thread mainly people liking windows 10 so my question is should I go for Windows 10 64bit?  Also as of today are there any known install issues with Lexington with Windows 10 64 bit?




Being late to the party in this tread is a good thing because a lot of the dust has settled quite a bit concerning Win 10 and SONAR .
As John mentioned , SONAR was Windows 10 compatible before Win 10 officially came out  ..
 
To be honest with you , this tread caused me a lot of unnecessary headaches and it also contributed to magnifying a lot of unfounded fears that weren't even mine to begin with 
 
I wanted to find out for myself if I can Vibe with Win 10 64 and SONAR for doing music , so I wound up picking up a modest spec laptop that came with Win 10 64 installed  ...  btw the one you are looking at is much better than the one I got ...
 
I put Plat Kingston on it ...ran great ..Then when Lexington came out I upgraded my SONAR to Lexington ...
I'm having a real blast over here & I really like Win 10 ...
SONAR runs Great in Win 10 and I'm thinking about putting Win 10 64 on my Win 8 64 laptop 
 
good luck man ,
 
Kenny
P. S,  I wound up doing it the Cakewalk way during installing SONAR ...Used the CCC . I'm still shocked at how simple and fast every thing installed ...
 
 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2016/01/19 20:35:09 (permalink)
I have windows 10x64 and I'm having a big issue. This is my fist time recording/using Sonar. I have a Tascam US-366 which seems to have decent sound coming through its phone jack using headphones, but recording in Sonar is giving me a crazy crackling noise. I've already upgraded about a million drivers, and I'm gonna keep searching for more. This problem may be something that has nothing to do with win 10 specifically, though. I'm hoping it's user error.
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