soens
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Windows 10 1709!!!
For a while I was able to postpone the inevitable by not going online. Every so often it would try to update and then warn me it couldn't. Finally, I was in control.  Then one day I went online for a couple hours carefully watching to see if it would try again. With no warning I got the message to restart my computer so Windows could finalize the update.  So now I have 1709. It may not turn out to be so bad, but now... - I have to log into the computer twice each time it boots up. - I have to reset all my default programs and file associations. - I have to set program permissions for apps trying to do things behind the scenes. (Even Alienware apps are being denied to perform their necessary tasks) Just a nuisance, that's all.
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/10 12:59:49
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I think people don't notice the scheduled tasks. Services and scheduled tasks worktogether. These can be disabled.
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/10 13:04:07
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/10 13:05:50
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In regards to your issue I would try creating a new user account in Windows to see if this clears things up.
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/10 13:58:04
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Even if you limit the time PC is on-line, I think Windows d/l whatever it can at that time, and slowly builds the install package. IOW, it has a d/l manager!
Now just to be clear, this is speculation on my part!! : )
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/10 14:03:06
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With Pro, you can put in Registry tweaks that'll stop ALL automatic updates (including downloads and prompts).
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/10 14:17:16
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Hmm. By and large I've been ridiculously lucky with Windows updates over the years, they have never broken anything significant for me. The odd program needs to be reauthorized, or even more occasionally reinstalled... But mostly it's been remarkably smooth sailing. Old hardware, old drivers, whatever. The most recent one (1709) incapacitated my video card somehow so that plugins which depend on OpenGL GPU acceleration would open a blank GUI, which did lead to some hair-pulling, but since it was an ancient unsupported card I really couldn't complain too bitterly. Weirdly it worked under the basic Windows driver but that does not support dual screen so it was not a great solution. Thankfully, partly due to helpful forum folks here, I was able to get fully up to speed with a €40 replacement card. Mild graphics performance bump into the bargain!
So I'm still waiting for one of them to really bungle things up. I'm sure it'll happen eventually. Maybe I should quit while I'm ahead and freeze it now?
But I definitely sympathize with folks who've had a rougher road with it than I have...
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/10 14:51:37
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p.s. why do you have to log in twice? I'm not seeing anything like that here. Seems very odd for sure, that would warrant some followup with support. In fact I'm not seeing any of the below on 1709... seems like something fundamentally amiss! soens
- I have to log into the computer twice each time it boots up.
- I have to reset all my default programs and file associations.
- I have to set program permissions for apps trying to do things behind the scenes.
(Even Alienware apps are being denied to perform their necessary tasks)
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CakeAlexSHere
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/10 15:14:49
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^^
Just to say again try a new user account (log into it) My feeling is that this is possibly a corrupt user profile.
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/10 15:18:56
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CakeAlexSHere
^^
Just to say again try a new user account (log into it) My feeling is that this is possibly a corrupt user profile.
That sounds plausible! Worth a try...
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/10 18:30:29
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/10 19:26:20
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Theses are all fixable within Win10, just a nuisance is all. BTW, 1709 bypassed Metered Connection somehow.
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/10 20:03:26
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I still use the "metered connection" settings and it does not install updates unless I say so.
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/10 20:35:35
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Why not just disable Windows Update in the Services menu? That's what I do.
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/10 21:28:04
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raisindot
Why not just disable Windows Update in the Services menu? That's what I do.
That's what I use to do as well. Alas it seems Windows 10 will eventually update anyway. Long story short, all my PC's and Laptops (5) have disabled updates this way since build 1511. The other week I noticed activity, it was Windows downloading and installing updates, checked my other machines, they were still set to disabled, then the next day another one started to update. I ended up just checking if there was any problems with the update, everything was fine, so I just updated all my machines, no issues other than a few reathorizations of plugins. So from my experience even with the Windows Update Service disabled, eventually Windows will have it's way and update. On the 2 machines that started updating automatically ( even though the update service was disabled) I noticed that the setting was changed from 'Disabled' to 'Manual' when the updates were taking place.
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/10 21:28:30
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Jim Roseberry
With Pro, you can put in Registry tweaks that'll stop ALL automatic updates (including downloads and prompts).
Care to share?
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/11 01:26:42
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The best defense against being blindsided by anything is to use an imaging program. Sure, wasting 30 mins to restore your system to the most recent image can be annoying, but that is the extent of it.  There are many options available, but I can vouch for Macrium Reflect free and a cheap 1TB USB drive. https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree I have Macrium scheduled to image my system drive each day. To roll back just boot from the Windows PE rescue media and restore. Using the built-in wizard, the rescue media can be built automatically on CD/DVD or USB thumb drive.
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/11 14:24:43
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abacab
I have Macrium scheduled to image my system drive each day. To roll back just boot from the Windows PE rescue media and restore. Using the built-in wizard, the rescue media can be built automatically on CD/DVD or USB thumb drive.
Hi, I'm interested in this but I'd like to know a little more. For one thing, does the free version image everything on the "C" drive, including stuff in folders, or just the things needed to run Windows? Second, is the "Windows PE rescue" device different than the external USB hard drive you'd use to "store" the image?
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/11 17:03:36
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rsinger
If you use wi-fi you can set the connection as metered. That allows you to download manually. If you want to install an update you just check for updates and if one is available you can download it. I don't want data pushed to my PC if I'm tracking ...
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4028458/windows-metered-connections-in-windows-10
Why do you need to be connected to the Internet when you’re tracking? Or doing anything in Sonar for that matter except transferring files which would be part of preparations which get done before tracking etc.
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/11 17:08:04
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rsinger
If you use wi-fi you can set the connection as metered. That allows you to download manually. If you want to install an update you just check for updates and if one is available you can download it. I don't want data pushed to my PC if I'm tracking ...
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4028458/windows-metered-connections-in-windows-10
mudgel
Why do you need to be connected to the Internet when you’re tracking? Or doing anything in Sonar for that matter except transferring files which would be part of preparations which get done before tracking etc.
Yes that is right, better to disable the network adapter if this concerns you.
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/11 17:59:51
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mudgel
Why do you need to be connected to the Internet when you’re tracking? Or doing anything in Sonar for that matter except transferring files which would be part of preparations which get done before tracking etc.
I don't need to be connected to the Internet when I'm tracking, but since I have my laptop configured so nothing is being pushed to it there is no need to disconnect it.
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/11 18:12:10
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raisindot
abacab
I have Macrium scheduled to image my system drive each day. To roll back just boot from the Windows PE rescue media and restore. Using the built-in wizard, the rescue media can be built automatically on CD/DVD or USB thumb drive.
Hi, I'm interested in this but I'd like to know a little more. For one thing, does the free version image everything on the "C" drive, including stuff in folders, or just the things needed to run Windows? Second, is the "Windows PE rescue" device different than the external USB hard drive you'd use to "store" the image?
The free version of Macrium Reflect does everything a home user would need. And yes, the Windows PE rescue media is separate and much smaller in size than your backup image location. An "image" of "C" drive copies everything on the "C" drive to an image file container using a secondary, or external, drive as your image repository. You can store one or more backup images in that location, up to the capacity of that backup drive. The process is similar to cloning a drive, except the image output is to a file, rather than creating another physical drive exactly like the original. The rescue media is a bootable device that is separate from the image repository drive. To restore your "C" drive, you need to boot from the rescue media rather than your "C" drive. The restore step copies the backup image from your backup repository, overwriting the "C" drive. So when the restore is completed, your "C" drive is exactly like it was when the image was created. This is a great way to roll back your system drive, or in the event that your system ever becomes unbootable or the hard drive crashes and you need to replace it.
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/11 19:43:05
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That sounds like what I need. Can you store an image file on the same external hard drive used to store other things (like manual backups of files and folders?)
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/11 19:49:00
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remove last update and just turn updates off...
Edit: Control panel / Admin tool / services / scroll down to windows updates /
double click on Win updates. set to manual or disable and you will need to hit [STOP] as well...If you set it to manual you can still update your Win Defender from within Win Defender.
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/11 19:56:32
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raisindot
That sounds like what I need. Can you store an image file on the same external hard drive used to store other things (like manual backups of files and folders?)
Sure, just create a new folder on the external for your image files. When you create the backup definition in Macrium, just navigate to that folder with the drive connected and set that as the target path. Easy! The main thing to keep in mind is that images take a lot of space and I would recommend a 500GB to 1TB drive, depending on how much of your "C" drive is being used. The image process will compress the file a bit, and only copies used disk sectors. For example, with my 250GB system drive using about 150GB of data, my images are running about 115GB each right now. I like to keep 5 days of daily (M-F), plus a weekly (Saturday) and a monthly (1st Monday) image on my backup drive. So I can max out 1TB pretty fast. The cool thing with Macrium is you can set how many versions of each scheduled job to keep, before it deletes the oldest, so you can manage space easily. So I set up one folder for a scheduled daily job, another for scheduled weekly job, etc. Set and forget, until you need it, that is!!! 
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/11 20:02:14
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Another great thing about images is that you can usually mount them as virtual drives that you can browse directly in Windows explorer and drag and drop files over from them to any other folder on the system. So say you accidentally deleted something, it is simple to just grab a copy from an older image. No restore needed! That is also a good method if you build a new computer and want to migrate documents or projects. Just mount up an image from the old PC and copy away!
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/12 00:15:02
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Update 1709 knackered my Addictive Drums - as usual. Had to de-authorise and re-authorise my computer. (AD: surely you can fix this silly thing?) But the update also queered my Steinberg Halion Sonic E-licenser authorisation. Maybe other things yet undiscovered are also messed up... 
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/12 02:39:39
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The major Windows updates (e.g. FCU) change your computer ID, just like when there were different Windows versions (Win 7, Win 8, etc.) following upgrades to newer Windows versions. Some plugins and applications will need to be re-activated after the upgrade.
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soens
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Re: Windows 10 1709!!!
2018/01/14 03:38:15
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1709 also seems to be messing with my audio drivers. Each time I boot up now I have to disable/enable them and reboot to make them work.
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