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Without Saying A word
I call myself a "wanna be" piano player. The fact is I couldn't hang with a good piano player, no way. But I love the piano and would love to be able to sit down and do a piano voc piece like this live. So that is what I have (as much as I can) tried to convey in this posting. I was hoping that I could just hit the R button and do it that way but I just aint that good. I did do the vocs with no overdubs. The piano intro as a unit then then rest of the piano work to the end as one unit and no overdubing and not even any editing to the piano work by way of notes, velocities or anything. So the object was to do as best I can to do as close as "would be" to a live performance. http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=9917748
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/11/26 10:47:56
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Absolutely beautiful Jimmy. Really just beautiful and very well done!
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/11/26 14:06:02
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you are doing some pretty good tunes here recently..... and this is one of them. not bad at all for a wannabe piano player...... I wannabe a piano player too... so I reckon I better get to work on that dream.
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/11/26 15:32:33
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This is very nicely done Jimmy cool tune nicely sung. Minor observation I can hear a little noise during the intro and at a couple of points elsewhere, I did check on cans as well just to check it was not something in the speakers.
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/11/26 16:28:05
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I like this, it actually gave me a Sara McLaughlin vibe, which is a good thing, I like her music. And I'm the same way with piano, I'd like to be more fluent with it. But that's the power of midi and time, you can actually represent pretty well with patience and some practice. Guitar doesn't work that way... But I'm glad piano does.
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/11/26 21:17:26
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Sounds good Jimmy. Another one of your heartfelt tunes. Yeah, that technique on a song like this works the best. It just flow right!
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/11/26 22:38:28
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I love this! I'm a bit surprised Janet didn't comment on the piano sound. It sounds a bit edgy wavery, but you played it very well. Vocal is outstanding.
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/11/26 22:39:42
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I was enjoying the song too much to even notice the sound. :-)
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/11/26 22:44:33
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Nice, very nice! Love the singing. Very expressive and nice tone. Great melody and nice piano touch.
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/11/27 00:17:25
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Janet Absolutely beautiful Jimmy. Really just beautiful and very well done! As usual I'm like a kid hoping to be worthy of your praise. You know my love for the piano. Herb you are doing some pretty good tunes here recently..... and this is one of them. not bad at all for a wannabe piano player...... I wannabe a piano player too... so I reckon I better get to work on that dream. Herb I'm looking at things as a "writer" but yet seeing if I can "perform". To do that well is something to be thought about. Thanks Herb. Wookie This is very nicely done Jimmy cool tune nicely sung. Minor observation I can hear a little noise during the intro and at a couple of points elsewhere, I did check on cans as well just to check it was not something in the speakers. I don't know the answer to the noise thing. There might be something there. It isn't perfect quite in my recording area and the system will add some noise even if it's small I'm sure. What I am glad of is that you mention that because it has me thinking. Robby I like this, it actually gave me a Sara McLaughlin vibe, which is a good thing, I like her music. And I'm the same way with piano, I'd like to be more fluent with it. But that's the power of midi and time, you can actually represent pretty well with patience and some practice. Guitar doesn't work that way... But I'm glad piano does. Gave you a Sara vibe? That in itself means so much to me. Thank you so much Robby Tap Sounds good Jimmy. Another one of your heartfelt tunes. Yeah, that technique on a song like this works the best. It just flow right! Thank you Scotty love this! I'm a bit surprised Janet didn't comment on the piano sound. It sounds a bit edgy wavery, but you played it very well. Vocal is outstanding. She didn't because I'm a student and she don't want to be too hard on me :-) It is a bit edgy but it's because it's un edited in a sense. The weighted key controller used I think only has 3 levels of velocity sensitivity. I just got it and am still working on things. Thanks Scotty for checking this out and the remarks. Janet I was enjoying the song too much to even notice the sound. :-) Smiles vechung Nice, very nice! Love the singing. Very expressive and nice tone. Great melody and nice piano touch. Thank you so much. I've been listening to your stuff too. I really do like it.
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/11/28 01:22:19
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This song captured my attention. What first comes to mind is the vocals, lyrics and melody line. Lots of feeling conveyed here. Its not rushed, doesn't feel forced for sake of getting something out. Although a very slight critique is some of the pauses between lyrics felt out of place, but that's just a very minor point and perhaps limited to my interpretation. Also enjoyed the chord structure and flow.
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/11/28 11:20:25
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This song really has a lot of feeling in it. Really nice piece Jimmy. I like the dynamics in the piano - as you play harder the tone opens up very naturally and expressively. And your voice is always recorded well - and performed with a lot of feeling. There is some very slight distortion on the piano - if you listen with headphones you can hear it at the beginning and in some of the middle parts. Check out 0:17 through 0:26. Something is getting slightly overloaded with those dark chord voicings.
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/11/28 17:41:25
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Jimmy I also hear some noises in the left ear. Very small and at first I thought they weren't there but I see that Wookie heard them as well. Pianos have a habit of doing that. Nice piece Ron
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/11/29 14:04:19
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Sounds really good, Jimmy. Nice playing and smooth singing as always.
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/11/29 20:00:10
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I'll keep it short. WONDERFUL performance! Kev
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Re:Without Saying A word
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/11/30 06:06:27
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loving this song Jimmy. Yes there is a little crackle with the piano at times, but it almost works in a vinyl crackle kinda way. This reminded me of a Nick Cave slow number. The understated vocals work really well. only thing was, i think you have a gate set too fast or you're chopping off the end of the line in the vocal, as listening on phones you lose the reverb tail at the end of a phrase. otherwise superb.
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/11/30 12:39:11
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Hard for me to judge piano tone Jimmy as I'm not a player.. Did you put compression on it? Your playing is emotive and I think matches the vox perfectly. This is one of those tunes where you have to say "Damn the torpedoes" and just fire.. I think you've done that here. You know what I mean. Larry
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/11/30 13:46:04
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Love the intimacy of this, Jimmy. Very nicely done.
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/12/01 16:29:26
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The live feel works well for this song. I would agree with thalweg, though, that a couple of the paused felt a little awkward. Nice smooth vocals, and I thought the piano sound was awesome. Was it a sound module or real piano?
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/12/01 17:40:13
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Very pretty song Jimmy. I always love hearing your vocal delivery as it is so pure and honest. I've listened to this a few times and I keep coming back to the sound of the piano being overly compressed or something. The smashing of the peaks doesn't bother me as much as the way the quieter parts fade back up. I guess it's called pumping maybe. What kind of compression are you using?
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/12/01 19:16:35
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Thalweg This song captured my attention. What first comes to mind is the vocals, lyrics and melody line. Lots of feeling conveyed here. Its not rushed, doesn't feel forced for sake of getting something out. Although a very slight critique is some of the pauses between lyrics felt out of place, but that's just a very minor point and perhaps limited to my interpretation. Also enjoyed the chord structure and flow. If the song gets a person to listen in the ways that you mention I really feel like I'm accomplishing something. Music for me is a passion and I would hope that some of that passion comes forth in the efforts in doing so. And is also displayed in the performance as well. You mention the pauses feeling out of place and wondering if it's interpretation? I don't know. I would think that if you hear it that way, then it must be a valid point. I sometimes have unanswered questions too, as I was writing this I did ask myself if those pauses fit?, didn't fit? On one hand they do and yet on one hand they don't. I think I look at much of my works as a test. To see what I can do, and am doing, that would bring me closer to my self development as a writer/performer etc. Going for and "hoping" to get a "live" sounding performance I'm sure played some part in the way this turned out. Thank you so much for the remarks. Guitartek This song really has a lot of feeling in it. Really nice piece Jimmy. I like the dynamics in the piano - as you play harder the tone opens up very naturally and expressively. And your voice is always recorded well - and performed with a lot of feeling. There is some very slight distortion on the piano - if you listen with headphones you can hear it at the beginning and in some of the middle parts. Check out 0:17 through 0:26. Something is getting slightly overloaded with those dark chord voicings. Thanks for the kind words and the detailed remarks. The distortion subject is one that I haven't figured out yet. It might be happening for "or coming from" "a place" that I haven't found yet. The piano is "sampletank2" and I just started using it, as well as just starting using weighted keys too. Your details will help in me seeing how things go as I use this VST more. I might start putting my songs on my website that I hardly use to see if (as in your observations) if a higher bit rate makes any difference. Still using soundclick of course but if the higher bit rate doesn't change anything I'll know that isn't it. I do think that maybe the issue is not in the conversion though. It shouldn't have that issue in the first place? Thanks a lot for the mention of things. Ron Jimmy I also hear some noises in the left ear. Very small and at first I thought they weren't there but I see that Wookie heard them as well. Pianos have a habit of doing that. Nice piece Ron That's the way I'm hearing it too. "faint" and didn't pick up on it until it was mentioned. I'm still looking into things but haven't nailed down the reason yet. Thanks Ron No How Sounds really good, Jimmy. Nice playing and smooth singing as always. Thank you Kev I'll keep it short. WONDERFUL performance! Kev Thank you Kev. That means a lot to me. Robby Thanks for the support. That is very kind of you. mgh loving this song Jimmy. Yes there is a little crackle with the piano at times, but it almost works in a vinyl crackle kinda way. This reminded me of a Nick Cave slow number. The understated vocals work really well. only thing was, i think you have a gate set too fast or you're chopping off the end of the line in the vocal, as listening on phones you lose the reverb tail at the end of a phrase. otherwise superb. Thanks a lot for the details. I didn't think much about the "gated sound" until you mentioned that. It is always fun to "get to thinking" about something when someone as yourself mentions a subject such as that. It is somewhat like being a student and learning something. I rarely use a gate on vocs (or should I say try to avoid that) but I did on this one. And sense a gate shouldn't stop the verb tails (when set up correctly) (it did) on this because I had it "after the verb". I didn't catch that. I may have not caught that because the vocs seem more un verbed in a way even though the effect can be heard when the vocs are singing. Giving the vocs a more "raw" sound maybe? That sure has me thinking now that you mention that and why didn't I at least "know that". I need to create a list of things to be aware of as a mix guy. I've gotten some really great (mention of things) from the replies on this and some really sharp ears from you guys. I'm so glad you mentioned that. Things like your mention of that go way beyond a single song crit. It's more about hey? why didn't I catch that in the first place? Thanks so much for taking the time to remark. SMB/ Larry Hard for me to judge piano tone Jimmy as I'm not a player.. Did you put compression on it? Your playing is emotive and I think matches the vox perfectly. This is one of those tunes where you have to say "Damn the torpedoes" and just fire.. I think you've done that here. You know what I mean. Larry You describe things much in the manner of my intent. I was hoping for the "go for it" and hope it works mindset on this one so yes I know what you mean and I am glad that to your ears it came across that way. I sort of broke the rules in a way as far as having a "noticeable" compression on the piano. As a rule one doesn't use that much on a piano, but I was trying for an emotive thing. On one hand I could view this piece as a more natural or less effected sound on the piano and mix it that way (or) (as I've done here) have a more emotive sound at the cost of sounding more "effected" Thanks for the mention of things Larry gdugan Love the intimacy of this, Jimmy. Very nicely done. Thank you, not just thank you, but "really" thank you. mwall The live feel works well for this song. I would agree with thalweg, though, that a couple of the paused felt a little awkward. Nice smooth vocals, and I thought the piano sound was awesome. Was it a sound module or real piano? Yes the pause thing is a valid point. Thanks for the mention of the live feel working well and the other kind words too. The piano is the free "sampleTank2" it doesn't have a lot of "piano types" but I liked this one and I am using weighted keys as a controller. Thanks for the remarks Timidi Very pretty song Jimmy. I always love hearing your vocal delivery as it is so pure and honest. I've listened to this a few times and I keep coming back to the sound of the piano being overly compressed or something. The smashing of the peaks doesn't bother me as much as the way the quieter parts fade back up. I guess it's called pumping maybe. What kind of compression are you using? Thanks for the vocal compliments. On the piano subject I used the sonitus multi band and comped just the mids using the "vintage" type. I'm still learning the vst used for the piano. I think that between that vst and the controller used some things come across too strong but I was wanting to "not have to" tweak the velocities in the piano roll and I didn't. So that left me with having to rely on comping instead. Much of "this" recording/mix is to see how things work out in doing so. It seems that if I spend a lot of time on the velocities (instead) that will create a less noticeable affect on the the things that you mention but there is a less "emotive" sound (for lack of better words) doing it that way. With that said "seeing" what others say about that tells me something. I think that if I "could have" made that affect less noticeable and still had the expression I would have, but I am still "getting to know" this piano vst. Thanks for remarking on the way it sounds to you.
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/12/02 10:09:13
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Lovely song Jimmy... great delivery and production... maybe a little over-compressed, but lovely just the same...
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/12/02 10:39:17
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I don't know about the compression, etc. and thus can't comment, but I do know just a wee bit about style and you have a wonderful way of directing emotions through instrumentation be they guitars, pianos, etc. Your vocals were equally as good. This is a very beautiful piece of work. Freddy J
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/12/02 16:58:01
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One of your best ever i'd say Jimmy. Thesr's obviously a lot of emotions and fellings behind this tune and it comes right through in this, Great melodic piano and your vocals are sounding brilliant. Only crit is i was hearing distortion on the piano and it was happening all the way through. It sounded like digital distortion/overload. That's a pretty minor crit though compared to how good the track is. Excellent.
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/12/02 20:00:27
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For being a wanna-be piano player, I wish I was as good as you. Very emotive. Hard to do one instrument and vox and keep it interesting, but you've done it. nice song - on these little computer speakers it sounded fine. That is kinda the standard these days, if not ear buds. Still, such a nice and pretty song it would be worthwhile to track down any little tech probs. @
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/12/02 20:22:54
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Jimmy - what a wonderfully emotional tune - your vocals are just fantastic. I think you're a great piano player. I love this tune.
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/12/05 18:30:31
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Definitely a Sarah M. vibe on the piano, and that's a great thing, accompanied by your warm and soothing signature vocals. An extremely pleasurable listen, no less. Bravo jimmy!
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/12/05 19:21:18
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Good work. I love the soft and slow expressive piano. I think you vocal could use a little more reverb to match the piano...to soften up the difference, but that's just my opinion. I really liked it. Could be one of those CW songs they use for indie artists to emote a feeling. There's a lot of talent on this cakewalk board!
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Re:Without Saying A word
2010/12/06 18:05:19
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The one thing you always seem to manage is to make whatever you do sound effortless and this is no exception. Crits ? - maybe a little more reverb on the vox - they seem to cut off quite abruptly in comparision to the piano notes and there does seem to be some minor distortion throughout. Very nicely done all the same. Enjoyed the listen as always.
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