Working with Buses

I just noticed that you can assign the bus output to any available hardware out as well. Has anyone tried using this to rote use external effects? I don't think that GT3 has latency compensation so that could be a problem though.

Not if you use some of Steve's MUGS.

Actually Lexicon offers several VST like outboard effects as does UAD. The latter using it's own DSP. The Lexicon stuff can be had for between $200 and $400 USD while the UAD stuff is certainly $1000+.

ORIGINAL: Doc_Hollingsworth

Not if you use some of Steve's MUGS.

Actually Lexicon offers several VST like outboard effects as does UAD. The latter using it's own DSP. The Lexicon stuff can be had for between $200 and $400 USD while the UAD stuff is certainly $1000+.

Gotcha!

As the acronym MUGS is my intellectual property I have to charge for licencing its use.

The standard fee is 1 keg of M&B mild per letter.

A quick calculation shows you owe me 4 kegs.

The current exchange rate is 3 kegs + 1 pint of Gunness = 4 kegs of M&B mild.

Neat 'eh?

Now we are all square.






BTW - can you help me with my Har-Bal?







PS - do you want a laugh? I recorded The Clash's 'White Riot' in about 2 hours last night - I even added Steve Strummer vocals in place of Joe's!

Man, Pete would have a ball with that!!


Switch on your IM if you wanna listen!

Strummy, I was merely letting CJ know that he would have to use your invention. which in essence he is liable for any royalties owed if he so desires to use your aforementioned invention. There fore I am not liable for any sums in Royalties owed to you. And you still owe me 3 kegs and 2 pints.

Now regarding the har-bal, drop me a line with what seems to ail it and I will see what I can do to help you out. An ale for an ail.

Serious question:
My understanding is that latency compensation would only be an issue with software effects. It's basically a "look ahead" function.
If you are using external hardware effects, would this even be an issue?

Doc,

I was refering to hardware outboard gear. I have a H&K Replex (tape delay immulator) that I would love to use but I'm too lazy to try and figure out how to wire it all in. I was thinking that I could assign a bus output to one of my Presonus mixer outs, run a cable to the H&K, back into the Presonus inst. in and then record all that to a seperate track which could then be nudged to line the audio back into sync. But that seems like a lot of work when I have all this free software sitting on my computer that can simulate the simulated tape delay.

BTW I put a new tune up on Soundclick (shameless self promotion)

ORIGINAL: RobertB

Serious question:
My understanding is that latency compensation would only be an issue with software effects. It's basically a "look ahead" function.
If you are using external hardware effects, would this even be an issue?

Good question Bob. But I believe the UAD compensates for it. The Lexicon however requires you to route your signal externally as if in an effects send on hardware. I imagine there would be latency introduced from the simple fact the signal would be outbound from the audio interface and then inbound back into the DAW. It might be worth looking into. There was a write up in SOS not too long ago. I'll have a look and get you some feedback.

ORIGINAL: cjlinus

Doc,

I was refering to hardware outboard gear. I have a H&K Replex (tape delay immulator) that I would love to use but I'm too lazy to try and figure out how to wire it all in. I was thinking that I could assign a bus output to one of my Presonus mixer outs, run a cable to the H&K, back into the Presonus inst. in and then record all that to a seperate track which could then be nudged to line the audio back into sync. But that seems like a lot of work when I have all this free software sitting on my computer that can simulate the simulated tape delay.

BTW I put a new tune up on Soundclick (shameless self promotion)

I'm still thinking there would be some latency introduced but then again I am sure it is done to some extent in mastering as well. Troublesome concept. I think it requires too much thought. So I must defer to your signature regarding thinking. And Shameless self promotion? I don't see it as being shameless.

Shamefull then?

re:thinking is over rated.
Nonetheless, I'm kind of thinking out loud here.
A Pre-fade send should divert the signal before it is subject the the D/A converter, therby short-circuiting the latency from that. However the round trip would probably introduce some latency, I'm thinking in the 1ms or less range.
Doc, let us know what you find out.
CJ, I would be very tempted to hook it up. My guess is that a very tiny nudge might be all that is required, if that. My guess is that it would be so close that you would be dealing with phasing, and not a blatent latency problem.
There is no shame at the end of the universe. Just a restaurant. Get a good seat.

ORIGINAL: RobertB

There is no shame at the end of the universe. Just a restaurant. Get a good seat.

This is sig material!

I know that with the more costly DAWs they have some kind of latency compensation that is used when you route to an external device. I have read in a couple magazines that it can be a problem but I don't know the techincal issues. Anyway, I may just have to try messing with it this weekend. The Replex has a very good reverb as well so it may be worth the effort.

lol.
I like your avatar.
And thanks for all the fish.

(sigh) Life, The Universe and Everything. 'Tis the mice who rule the world.


And no not shameful either. That implies narcissism. We all plug our own music in one way or another. so it is neither shameless or shameful. I'll go have a listen.

ORIGINAL: Doc_Hollingsworth

We all plug our own music in one way or another.

CLICK ANYWHERE HERE ON THIS SENTENCE TO BE TRANSPORTED TO A WORLD OF MUSICAL LOVLINESS - THERE ARE ALSO SOME OF MY SONGS IN VARIOUS STATES OF INCOMPLETION THERE!! GO TO MY SOUNDCLICK......... THANKYOU

LOL, I cant even tpye nw!!

ORIGINAL: SteveStrummerUK

ORIGINAL: Doc_Hollingsworth

We all plug our own music in one way or another.

CLICK ANYWHERE HERE ON THIS SENTENCE TO BE TRANSPORTED TO A WORLD OF MUSICAL LOVLINESS - THERE ARE ALSO SOME OF MY SONGS IN VARIOUS STATES OF INCOMPLETION THERE!! GO TO MY SOUNDCLICK......... THANKYOU

You just couldn't resist could you, old bean. Nay... You had to jump in with both feet and your beer as well. For shame strummy. For shame!

SORRY

ORIGINAL: cjlinus

Doc,

I was refering to hardware outboard gear. I have a H&K Replex (tape delay immulator) that I would love to use but I'm too lazy to try and figure out how to wire it all in. I was thinking that I could assign a bus output to one of my Presonus mixer outs, run a cable to the H&K, back into the Presonus inst. in and then record all that to a seperate track which could then be nudged to line the audio back into sync. But that seems like a lot of work when I have all this free software sitting on my computer that can simulate the simulated tape delay.

BTW I put a new tune up on Soundclick (shameless self promotion)

It sounds like a complicated way to get more latency.

BTW - I listened to a few tracks you put up on soundclick. I would suggest learning a few more chords. There is a lot of "sameness" to the songs.

I feel privileged to have been reviewed buy the esteemed PP. I guess I should expect the paparazzi next time I go out for lunch.

ORIGINAL: cjlinus

I feel privileged to have been reviewed buy the esteemed PP. I guess I should expect the paparazzi next time I go out for lunch.

Sorry to dissapoint you but you haven't been "reviewed". I merely provided a simple suggestion.

Ah Peter, I was simply giving a snide coment in reply to your snide critisim of my songwriting.

As near as we can tell, CJ, pete is still working on that troublesome F chord.

Thanx Rob. I'm not much of a fan of Simon Cowell either.

ORIGINAL: RobertB

As near as we can tell, CJ, pete is still working on that troublesome F chord.

What!?!?

You mean there's an 'F' now?

Well I was suprised to find out that my idea worked with no real problems. You can simply route the singal to an alternate out on your computer or interface, run the signal through whatever outborad gear you like, including a guitar or bass amp, and re-record to an empty track. Worked like a champ after I got all the levels right. My Presounus will let me patch out of any of the line outs and back in to any input without fuss and I imagine that you could figure out something on the TonePort if they have multiple outs on them. If you happen to have a good digital delay or something you can just patch it in and save some CPU headroom. Just remember that for mix down you have the second effected track to work with instead of an aux mix. I kind of like the ability to do this because I have that H&K box I mentioned before and the delay on it is great.

Hi there CJ.

I've just tried out your idea using my POD2 as the external unit and it works perfectly - and sorry Pete, no inherent latency, you must be disappointed.

First I imported a clean guitar loop into GT3.

I ran a lead from the headphone out on My TonePort to the input on the POD; I then connected the POD's output to the input on the TonePort.

I armed another track and started GT recording - this allowed me to use the POD to process the clean signal in real time while the processed signal was recorded back into GT. I fiddled around with a few different amps and effects with the POD just to emphasize the differences between the two signals.

HERE'S THE RESULT - the left channel is the original clean loop and the right channel is the processed signal.

CJ - this is a really great idea you had - I must experiment some more!

Steve

Hey CJ,

I think you got the old bean occupied for at least the next week or so!

I try

Actually, this whole thing has made me start looking at getting a nice outboard verb or multieffects. My wife is already avioding me because I've been nagging her to let me spend more money. Some day I'm gonna grow up and be responsible but why start now.

Steve, I forgot to say thanks for that little demo you put together. Doc said that you'll be occupied with this but I'm sure that it will keep me pretty busy as well. Even if it is only looking for deals on TC Electronics or Lexicon boxes. Maybe if I can find a Eventide Eclipse for under $100 in the scratch and dent pile!!

CJ,

I found a fix for the very problem you mentioned. I tell her every reasonable chance I get that I want this really expensive tool, or amp, or something I know sounds like something I'd use in the studio. I do this for a week or two and then at the end of the week or two I tell her:

"You know honey. I'll shut up about that other thing that I wanted if I can get this thing. And it's this much less, to boot". It works every time, but you got to be sure the really expensive thing that you were mentioning was something you would never in your right mind (or wrong mind for that matter) put in your studio.

I'm just glad that she doesn't know this forum exists or I'm in really big trouble!

She found me out on that one a long time ago. I used to beg for custom shop Gibsons and then switch to used stuff at the local store. I got a great Tele that way. But she caught on and now when I metion gear at all I get a shoulder cold enough to chill nitrogen. BTW I think I mentioned my new/old guitar amp from Clark. I got the head but the cab is still in the post somewhere. I'll get soem picts up for you when I get the whole thing in.

Cool! Would be great to see it. I've been Married for 18 years and I know the wife has caught on. Initially it was pretty funny. These days I think it's a game to her. She just wants to find out what it is I really want. I shouldn't complain, she bought me a real nice Jackson RR5 last year.

Doc, still waiting for my cab in the mail. Hey! I can have a full garage with my cab and all these busses!! Get it "cab" and "busses".

I would throw in some pictures but it's been done already. BTW, you did make the mistake of telling me to add to the humor.

I don't see it as a mistake. At least yur makin' a try. But the essence of humor is not to draw attention to it but to just let it lay there. Ya know, like the secret attack dog. He doesn't let ya know he's an attack dog till you go up an' pet him.

Sooooo, exactly how long do I let this just lay there Doc??

Well not till it stinks! For goodness sake man. Humor is not found in something smelly.... But then again it could, couldn't it....
A smelly afair

OK, this guy makes me sick!! HERE Seriously, this is really great work, not done with GT but I think I can forgive him that. I wish I was half as good....

Thanks for this sweet little tutorial helped me out helps. Cheers.

I floundered around with the Aux sends and the busses for ages Jason, the manual is next to useless on how to actually use them.

I read Bob's tutorial and everything clicked in to place - now I don't know how I ever manged without using them!

Have a look through Dean Roddey's excellent tutorial in the sticky section at the top of the GT forum - there's some killer info and tips in there as well.

Steve

Thanks will check that out. Cheers

Bumpy bump bumpy bump bumpity bump bump bumpity

Say it in 13/7 time, it makes sense then

My speaker cab is still in transit! I want my GUITAR AAAMMMMMPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CJ, I had to check to make sure it was working and had proper tone. Something just isn't sounding quite right so I'll need to keep it another week or two.

Doc, the cab is here. Problem is, I can't pick it up from the post office As soon as I get off work early enough, I'll go get it and post some pics. Wish me luck.

I wish you luck then. looking forward to those pics.

ORIGINAL: Doc_Hollingsworth

I wish you luck then. looking forward to those pics.

I suppose you'll be wanting to 'look after' them as well

No that's your job....

ORIGINAL: Doc_Hollingsworth

No that's your job....

I shall bump this thread without replying to your scurrilous comments

Cad! Pistols at dawn upon the hill crest!

Bump

Your up a bit early aren't you?

Yeah. The wife decided to snore and woke me up at 0330. Couldn't go back to sleep so I just got up. Why fight it right?

My wife tells me she never snores....

Well technically mine doesn't. She has sleep apnea and uses a CPAP device that blows air into her lungs via her nose. This thing sounds like an f16 on full afterburner until she gets it situated. Problem is if she opens her mouth while sleeping I get the afterburner effect. I'll nudge her to get her to stop and usually it's all good after that. But tonight she just kept at it till I was wide awake.

Just keep on smiling, some guys just aren't as lucky as we are.

I've known a couple people that had sleep apnea but didn't realize that it could be serious. I just looked up CPAP, Amazing what you can learn on this forum.

ORIGINAL: cjlinus

Just keep on smiling, some guys just aren't as lucky as we are.

I've known a couple people that had sleep apnea but didn't realize that it could be serious. I just looked up CPAP, Amazing what you can learn on this forum.

Funny that CJ, I searched CRAP and it listed every post Pete has contributed to our shared knowledge.

ORIGINAL: SteveStrummerUK

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ORIGINAL: cjlinus

Just keep on smiling, some guys just aren't as lucky as we are.

I've known a couple people that had sleep apnea but didn't realize that it could be serious. I just looked up CPAP, Amazing what you can learn on this forum.

Funny that CJ, I searched CRAP and it listed every post Pete has contributed to our shared knowledge.

Now that's really funny. Because when I did a search with several four letter words his likeness was included in the definition. Troll of course is five letters but I'm pretty sure that was his bridge shown on the Britannica site...

They've updated their image since you visited CJ - the old boy was in residence

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Edited for clearly pointed out typo.

Thank you Sir Strummy!

ORIGINAL: Doc_Hollingsworth

Bippity Boppity Boopity Bumb

This is surely the only thread that has been BUMBed.

Or bumped by a typo.