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Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products

1. Beatscape - still the best REX player out there but only 32 bit.
2. Project 5 - never really used it but it was cool looking.

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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/07 18:20:10 (permalink)
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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/07 18:32:19 (permalink)
I'd much rather see them produce modern, up to date versions of these products from scratch. As for Beatscape being the best REX player out there, well I think Geist probably overtook it on that front many years ago.
 
Seems to me that elements of Project 5 could be incorporated into the new DAW. But again, it's something that has been overtaken many times over by such programs as Ableton Live and Bitwig. 

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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/08 08:17:44 (permalink)
No, don't go backwards move forward.
 
Sharke Correct they were probably good programs but nothing compared to what we have now.
 
Let's stop being geriatrics and live in the now the past is the past. 

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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/08 09:44:00 (permalink)
I`d rather they spent time improving what is already there and fixing the many long standing bugs. 

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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/08 09:45:56 (permalink)
I'm hoping for Cakewalk Pro Audio.

 
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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/08 09:53:25 (permalink)
beatscape was ****! the prime example of half-baked

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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/08 09:54:01 (permalink)
dappa1
No, don't go backwards move forward.
 
Sharke Correct they were probably good programs but nothing compared to what we have now.
 
Let's stop being geriatrics and live in the now the past is the past. 



i thought you'd decided to leave?

just a sec

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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/08 10:37:35 (permalink)
The difference is that Cakewalk's flagship DAW program has a large and loyal user base. 
Not so much with these other programs.

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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/15 00:17:59 (permalink)
I'm with you on Project 5. Why not open up the back catalog when the shop opens again ? As is, and without the overheads of support. Maybe a retro bundle along the same principles. I think it has potential. Then again I proudly promote myself as a Neo-Luddite :)

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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/15 16:49:39 (permalink)
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I'd much rather see them produce modern, up to date versions of these products from scratch. As for Beatscape being the best REX player out there, well I think Geist probably overtook it on that front many years ago.
 
Seems to me that elements of Project 5 could be incorporated into the new DAW. But again, it's something that has been overtaken many times over by such programs as Ableton Live and Bitwig. 




 Beatscape came with Sonar, no additional purchase necessary.

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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/15 16:50:38 (permalink)
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I`d rather they spent time improving what is already there and fixing the many long standing bugs. 




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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/15 16:51:18 (permalink)
dappa1
No, don't go backwards move forward.
 
Sharke Correct they were probably good programs but nothing compared to what we have now.
 
Let's stop being geriatrics and live in the now the past is the past. 




 
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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/15 22:07:32 (permalink)
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I'd much rather see them produce modern, up to date versions of these products from scratch. As for Beatscape being the best REX player out there, well I think Geist probably overtook it on that front many years ago.
 
Seems to me that elements of Project 5 could be incorporated into the new DAW. But again, it's something that has been overtaken many times over by such programs as Ableton Live and Bitwig. 


I don't see no conflict between licensing existing products vs. making modern versions of these products. There might be a market for old tech if the price is right. I don't expect them to push Project 5 at the original sales price, but if there is sufficient sales of it ... maybe it could give an indication whether there is a market for a modernized version ?I would say it's a fairly low risk and cost project to put it in shop when it eventually opens. 

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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/15 22:40:12 (permalink)
I don't want to live in the past. One of the reasons I stuck with Cakewalk and moved to Sonar was the fact that they seemed to always fill a need that I didn't know I needed at some time or another until later. 
 
But I will say this. It would be nice to see Cakewalk by BandLab add a functionality to where you could change the daw itself where it has not only just a RETRO LOOK : OR THEME, but also a RETRO functionality also. Or that is "Select Music Creator 4 and your Daw looks and works just like MC4 but has everything Sonar has to offer, same with Project 5 which I know there are a lot of people I have chatted with in the past who love that version, although I have never used it. 
 
Sometimes, it's not just the look of a daw that matters but the functionality, and if Cakewalk By Bandlab could add those previous daws options on the click of a button that would be something really spectacular for previous users of older Cakewalk products. Is it doable? Probably not, because it would require some serious coding and registry changes for certain characteristics I imagine. But it would be a nice feature. A Time machine of sorts for those who might like to remember the good old days. 
 
BUT : It would be possible to create a theme where those options were there I suspect, with more options and the controls and shortcut keys works as such. Maybe? 
 
I dunno...... I'm just throwing some idea's out there. I am not a programmer or script person. I do write .bat files and they make me BATTY SOMETIMES!
 
Either way, Functionality of any daw is key to the success or failure of it. And the option to change appearances where it functions like an older daw or something else would be AWESOME!
 
Reaper kind of does that, it has the themes thing, but in the end you are responsible for making a multitude of changes to make it work like some other daw and in the end in my experience WORKING WITH THE REAPER DAW it just doesn't DO THAT! Regardless of user created settings and such, it ends up being a burden trying to CREATE so many things with REAPER. And that's one reason I have stuck with Cakewalk/Cakewalk by BandLab. 
 
Although, a cakewalk option to make the functionality THEMES look and work like say MC4/MC7/PROJECT 5 and such perhaps would be a good thing........ 
 
Oh well, apologies for the hypothetical BS, I'm just thinking and typing out loud here. 
 
 But then again, think about it, rather than THEMES, about about selecting say "PROJECT 5" as a View with Sonar, or MC2/3/4/5/6/7 Or whatever previous cakewalk version and have Cakewalk SONAR by Bandlab function as such". That would really be something spectacular would it not? 
 
Anyway, like I said I was just typing and day dreaming and thinking out loud here. 
 
Thank you BandLab for keeping those dreams alive!
 

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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/15 22:54:19 (permalink)
sharke
 
Seems to me that elements of Project 5 could be incorporated into the new DAW. But again, it's something that has been overtaken many times over by such programs as Ableton Live and Bitwig. 




Cakewalk already did that. For example, we now have 'Matrix view' on Sonar.
 
Nice try, but half baked!!!
 
Funny, but Bitwig has adopted some UI elements that Project5 had...

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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/15 23:16:57 (permalink)
I loved Project 5!  I can still use P5 ver 2 on my Windows 10 64 bit computer but it is hampered a lot by being only 32-bit so I really can't do much with it since almost all my plugins are 64 bit.  If they could just make P5 ver 2 64-bit it would be a whole new ball game!
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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/16 01:11:34 (permalink)
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No, don't go backwards move forward.
 
Sharke Correct they were probably good programs but nothing compared to what we have now.
 
Let's stop being geriatrics and live in the now the past is the past. 


I agree. Get realistic. Use Cakewalk by BandLab or move on. Why would they put money in old DAWs when the best - Cakewalk by BandLab is free?
I'm hoping to see some upgrades or offers for Cakewalk plugins. I'd like to get Z3TA+ 2, Rapture Pro, Dimension Pro, etc. 

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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/16 01:34:24 (permalink)
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1. Beatscape - still the best REX player out there but only 32 bit.
2. Project 5 - never really used it but it was cool looking.


Me too. Agreed with posts that both products were under supported/developed. Cake abandoned Cyclone (which I preferred more than Beatscape), then came out with Beatscape, and abandoned it. They did not have a good track record for sustained development, or implementing a vision. IMO, Comparing P5 (from 2005) to something like Ableton Live or Bitwig in their current versions is a bit unfair. P5 would absolutely have to be updated/modernized. It was amazing for its time though, and could be again, especially for much of the market that Bandlab is trying to attract. I would love to see a VSTi version of P5 (64 bit) a la FL Studio. Dump the step sequencer and mod matrix from Cakewalk, move them to P5 and market it as a Standalone, VSTi and Rewire Instrument to all DAW owners. 

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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/16 19:43:47 (permalink)
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beatscape was ****! the prime example of half-baked


This.  The sounds it came with were decent for the time but it really was a big fail. slow, awkward workflow.  Geist craps on it.  The fact hat this was  Renee project that never was popular, odds are slim it will be ressurected.  I would rather they include whatever functionality you liked in a new product with modern featiures.
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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/16 20:42:51 (permalink)
what about a media player with vst effects?
 
They you can listen to the mixes in a row and have the mastering effects you wants without having them on the wav/mp3 file. And it could be massive popular because there are not any media player that does that, as i can se.

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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/16 21:32:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby iRelevant 2018/04/16 21:53:36
Talking of old products.... I dug this one up out of storage the other day along with the manual & songbook:
 

 
I remember was a PITA to get it working properly, but when it did work it was great. Basically you give it a MIDI file, decide which part you want to play, and it plays all the other parts to the same tempo as you are playing.
 
In practice however, it relied on you playing enough notes for it to reliably detect your tempo. For one song I ended up writing a silent part that involved playing constant 1/8 notes for it to keep regular time.
 
I seriously doubt if BandLab would consider resurrecting this one (and I'm not suggest it either), but it was a cool bit of Cakewalk history.
 
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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/16 21:49:21 (permalink)
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Talking of old products.... I dug this one up out of storage the other day along with the manual & songbook:
 

 
I remember was a PITA to get it working properly, but when it did work it was great. Basically you give it a MIDI file, decide which part you want to play, and it plays all the other parts to the same tempo as you are playing.
 
In practice however, it relied on you playing enough notes for it to reliably detect your tempo. For one song I ended up writing a silent part that involved playing constant 1/8 notes for it to keep regular time.
 
I seriously doubt if BandLab would consider resurrecting this one (and I'm not suggest it either), but it was a cool bit of Cakewalk history.
 
M.
 


Wow!  This must've been gone before Sonar 2 which was the first Cakewalk product I bought.  I would have loved to have tried it!  Hmm, windows 95 and MacOS!  What year was that?
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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/16 21:53:19 (permalink)
Sometime in the mid 90's if I remember rightly... it's definitely pre Sonar. I'm pretty sure I got this before I bought Cakewalk Pro-Audio 7, as I was still using Cakewalk Express (which was Windows 3.1!) at the time.
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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/16 22:41:58 (permalink)
Project 5 is deader than that shuffling silhouette figure in the title sequence of The Walking Dead. That's never coming back. A new REX player would be nice though. Perhaps a bit too niche to be a good business proposition.

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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/16 23:54:34 (permalink)
I have to agree on Project5 has passed its time. But, take Project5 and incorporate it with the Matrix.
Would make the Matrix worth while IMO.
 
 

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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/17 00:20:47 (permalink)
Project 5 would be much more popular if it was released as an app for your phone where you could transfer files to Cakewalk rather than as a windows program.
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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/17 10:32:41 (permalink)
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Project 5 is deader than that shuffling silhouette figure in the title sequence of The Walking Dead. That's never coming back. A new REX player would be nice though. Perhaps a bit too niche to be a good business proposition.


Of course Project 5 is dead, it's been killed. When was last time it was in shop ? 15 years ago ? I still think it is has a market potential as is. Without further development, and under the current business model, it could be released free as Project 5 by BandLab ... with contemporary revisions as Project 18 by BandLab. The latter I don't see happening anytime soon either, as I think there is more than enough work to be done on CbB in terms of core robustness. Outsourcing might be an option. 

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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/04/17 19:44:30 (permalink)
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beatscape was ****! the prime example of half-baked

If you'd only seen it before it was emasculated ...
 
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Re: Would like to see Bandlab ressurect older products 2018/08/18 23:32:21 (permalink)
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1. Beatscape - still the best REX player out there but only 32 bit.
2. Project 5 - never really used it but it was cool looking.



1.. beatscrap.. was / is awful compared to other things i use.. I actually prefer RXP more / by miles.. was a "look like an over engineered mpc" .
 
2.. project 5 is good in the sense of it's footprint, but the elements of it were in later sonars ? it was a handy VST host if you had used it with recycle I guess
 
 
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