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Would you?
I really enjoy Gibsons traditional guitars. They are O.K. by me. But every few years they make a few guitars that leave me scratching my head: Who's gonna be the first to buy this? 
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Karyn
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Re:Would you?
2011/09/13 08:52:52
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The most advanced electronics package ever put into a guitar and they make it look like a toy....
The red version looks even worse.
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2011/09/13 09:07:12
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At least I can tell people the red one is a Rothko.
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Re:Would you?
2011/09/13 09:08:42
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Who's gonna be the first to buy this? Have you asked Ed yet?
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2011/09/13 09:24:25
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I've never thought the Explorer model looked "cool" myself. but I'm not a guitarist either, so what do I know?
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2011/09/13 09:42:29
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Karyn
The most advanced electronics package ever put into a guitar and they make it look like a toy....
Line 6's policy must be working then?
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2011/09/13 10:06:44
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Karyn
The most advanced electronics package ever put into a guitar and they make it look like a toy....
Line 6's policy must be working then?
PWF!
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2011/09/13 10:33:02
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I would have gladly bought it when I went through my "glam" phase. Of course, going through that phase I was dirt-poor and couldn't afford a Gibson. I still have a Red Epiphone Firebird VII from back then that nobody will buy...
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2011/09/13 10:44:29
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At that price tag, I'd definitely get 1 of each wouldn't get it. Karyn has a good point on having the most advanced electronics (including blue tooth) that looks like a toy....... I'd rather go with original policymakers (Line 6) and get the JTV (although I don't think it looks like a toy). I was looking at a Sweetwater catalogue and a lot of newer guitars are coming out with a 13 pin synth ready capability. Has anyone used these and wondered if there's any latency or how it compares to guitar synths like the Roland's GR-xx?
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2011/09/13 11:27:36
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One of my best friends has a Carvin SH 575 with the 13 pin output on it. No real noticeable latency there when he plays it. A really sweet guitar,semi-hollow. The sounds themselves are decent on the Roland units. JMO but I never wanted a guitar that attempts to play synths. It would be cool for intros and such but for practical purposes I'd rather use a keyboard for that stuff.
A lot of guys are getting the JTV and adding a Roland pick up to it. If you like to spend hours playing with menus and submenus then maybe its for you. Personally I want good guitar sounds and effects and not much else in a guitar.
I always liked how Rush incorporated some of their sounds into their sets using midi foot pedals.
Godin makes a decent guitar with a 13 pin out in it . I almost bought one, but the pick ups in it are not the best for rock, more of a jazz instrument or so it seemed although well made for a factory guitar.The pick-ups in the JTV are supposedly custom wound by JT. A lot of seasoned players like em' but some of em' were paid endorsees too....we'll see. I play HSS now and have grown to really like that setup.
You can add 13 pin hex to your existing guitar with an add on kit too.
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Re:Would you?
2011/09/13 11:43:12
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Gibson has been making a lot of very questionable aesthetic decisions (I'm being charitable) over the last few years. On the one hand I'd like to give them credit for trying to innovate. But someone really needs to tell them that not every "new" (or ironic) idea is a good one.  [image]http://www.gibson.com/Files/aaFeaturesImages2010/Gibson-Reverse-Flying-V.jpg" /> [EDIT: Forum SW sucks worse than any of these Gibson's]
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2011/09/13 12:10:54
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Starise
One of my best friends has a Carvin SH 575 with the 13 pin output on it. No real noticeable latency there when he plays it. A really sweet guitar,semi-hollow. The sounds themselves are decent on the Roland units. JMO but I never wanted a guitar that attempts to play synths. It would be cool for intros and such but for practical purposes I'd rather use a keyboard for that stuff.
A lot of guys are getting the JTV and adding a Roland pick up to it. If you like to spend hours playing with menus and submenus then maybe its for you. Personally I want good guitar sounds and effects and not much else in a guitar.
I always liked how Rush incorporated some of their sounds into their sets using midi foot pedals.
Godin makes a decent guitar with a 13 pin out in it . I almost bought one, but the pick ups in it are not the best for rock, more of a jazz instrument or so it seemed although well made for a factory guitar.The pick-ups in the JTV are supposedly custom wound by JT. A lot of seasoned players like em' but some of em' were paid endorsees too....we'll see. I play HSS now and have grown to really like that setup.
You can add 13 pin hex to your existing guitar with an add on kit too.
Thanks Starise for the info.....I didn't entertain the idea of adding a 13 pin hex to my guitar until now!! I'll look into see how complicated that's going to be. Although I'm primarily more familiar with the guitar, I do liove synth sounds and would rather play it on the guitar than a keyboard (limitations in the talent dept.). The JTV is perfect for my setup as I like to have lots of options in guitar sounds (wish I could control my softsynths with my guitar too) and this would make my recording process much more streamlined. I should look into that midi foot pedal too....thanks for the good info Starise.
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Re:Would you?
2011/09/13 13:21:39
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Gibson has been making a lot of very questionable aesthetic decisions (I'm being charitable) over the last few years.
On the one hand I'd like to give them credit for trying to innovate.
But someone really needs to tell them that not every "new" (or ironic) idea is a good one.
[EDIT: Forum SW sucks worse than any of these Gibson's]
Well, they're probably trying to attract people that won't buy a Les Paul or haven't settled for a Strat already... Question 1: What's wrong with those people? Question 2: What kind of ridiculous design would appeal to them, then? 
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2011/09/13 13:40:12
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I don't think I would Mike. I believe I'd go a different direction if I were a gigging guitarist. Times have really changed and so have amps. I would definately try one of these and probably build a guitar with one pickup and no controls. If you read about the amp the single pickup with no controls may make sense. The ability to save all the settings on a memory stick is most excellent as if I were in a situation of needing to rent an amp all my settings could be had. The addition of a couple of pedals...volume, wah...good to go. (of course I'd have more than one guitar..no doubt and nothing more than the basic controls)
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The Maillard Reaction
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2011/09/13 14:09:48
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The memory stick is a really cool idea.
Professional videographers do that with custom scene file presets for cameras all the time these days.
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2011/09/13 15:02:51
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Guys, the idea that digital electronics, card readers, high voltage and high heat can live well together is wrong. Now that's just my opinion based on servicing these monsters.
These new bread of amps are a compromise. For example a Marshall 100 watt triple super lead has 8 circuit boards and 32 interconnect cables. The solid state and tube signal paths are all intertwined. They can sound amazing but I see lots of broken units. Fixing them is a nightmare. Computer grade circuitry and components fused with 500 volts of high voltage and lots of heat.
It's all good until there's a flash and a whiff of ozone and then it's a $500 repair bill for a $900 amp. There's a very good reason that the old monsters from the 40's through the 70's are still with us.
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2011/09/13 15:18:19
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I agree with you John, and I don't disagree with Spacey. And I do agree with Spacey that if your gig is gigging that anything that makes the time at the gig easier is good... especially if you have ambitions to be a guitar slinger for hire in several acts at once. But then again spacey knows that I like a simple single ended amp and it's simple straight up sound. So... I think it's sort of an "it's all good"... even if it is true, and I agree, that the newer amps are not really meant for long life. I do think the idea of flash cards with custom presets for use with the back line makes good sense for some people. best regards, mike
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2011/09/13 15:38:52
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I sure don't disagree with either of you. The idea of a simple guitar, few floor units and my settings on a memory stick is very appealing. And should I be gigging with the amp I know how I am and would have a backup plus the insurance that I could rent one and be "on-line" with minimal effort. Of course this is in relation to the idea of a "simple" guitar vs one with a truck load of electronics. I'd prefer a nice simple guitar delivering a great signal to whatever...and in this case an amp that is getting great reviews with a cool option of saving all of the players settings..just very cool and a failure risk I'd personally take- if I were a gigging guitarist. I'd much rather just play the guitar and fiddle with settings/tones via footswitch/pedals. The last favorite guitar I used for performing had one pickup, one volume knob and a tremelo. It handled everything I needed to do from Haggard to Halen LOL thought I was gonna say Hendrix didn't you? LOL. Just couldn't bring myself to do his stuff....I let the other guitarist try and I played the cowbell...no joke. Really. lol. And he did Hendrix worse lol. man, I got three or four threads in one line I think.
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2011/09/13 16:43:40
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I just read up on the Mike guitar. It sounds really great and I have a couple of customers that could lighten their load quite a bit by taking one on tour. The real question is will these guitars survive a tour. I know first hand that the robot guitars were plagued with errors. The machine heads broke easily, the auto tuning was not dependable and they ate batteries like peanuts.
Reading the press shows each of these problems has been recognized and hopefully fixed. I looked high and low, nowhere did I see anything saying that it would run as a regular guitar if the battery died. I needed my camera the other day and sure enough the battery died and I missed the moment. This was never an issue with my old Nikon's but the digital SLR needs juice or no joy.
When I looked at the pictures on the Gibson site it was interesting to see the case. At first glance I was sure that the case said Gibson USB. I'm willing to bet the whole shebang is made in China. Not the guitar, just the stuff that makes it work.
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Re:Would you?
2011/09/14 10:35:54
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This is my Dark Fire, now renamed Dark Tiger.  Why the renaming? The Dark Fire was the last (IMO) of the beautiful LesPauls, but the Operating System in the electronics sucked big time. Gibson then brought out the Dusk Tiger which had much improved electronics, but looked F*&kin awfull (IMO). BUT, the Tiger OS could be loaded into the Dark Fire making it a dream to use and adding a load of features not in the orriginal Dark Fire. So mine is now a Dark Tiger (see what I did there? Dark Fire + Dusk Tiger = Dark Tiger... Yes? No? Never mind) Anyway, from the Dusk Tiger they then bring out the Firebird X and it looks even worse than the Tiger... or is it just me?
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2011/09/14 10:46:41
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Hi John, I was speaking more about the Hughes and Ketner amp when I was explaining how it made some sense to me.
I like my guitars to seem even simpler than my amps... so the idea of on board active electronics and tuning servos on a guitar is something I'll never enjoy for any reason other than to admire the engineering skill and imagination of someone else's interests.
I knew that Karyn has a Robot and she likes it a lot... I didn't know the guitars had growing pains... but I do know Karyn's got the tech skills to fix whatever happens on that set up. :-)
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2011/09/14 11:06:39
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I really hate the idea of an "auto-tuning" guitar... (Sorry Karyn, that's a beautiful guitar and I don't mind you liking it...) I just hate the idea that the basic of playing a guitar - being able to tune it - is taken out of the picture. Things are too fast these days, at least take some time out to tune your guitar (again, not directed at you Karyn - I'm worried about the children) Maybe I'm old fashion 
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2011/09/14 11:08:21
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Starise
One of my best friends has a Carvin SH 575 with the 13 pin output on it. No real noticeable latency there when he plays it. A really sweet guitar,semi-hollow. The sounds themselves are decent on the Roland units. JMO but I never wanted a guitar that attempts to play synths. It would be cool for intros and such but for practical purposes I'd rather use a keyboard for that stuff.
A lot of guys are getting the JTV and adding a Roland pick up to it. If you like to spend hours playing with menus and submenus then maybe its for you. Personally I want good guitar sounds and effects and not much else in a guitar.
I always liked how Rush incorporated some of their sounds into their sets using midi foot pedals.
Godin makes a decent guitar with a 13 pin out in it . I almost bought one, but the pick ups in it are not the best for rock, more of a jazz instrument or so it seemed although well made for a factory guitar.The pick-ups in the JTV are supposedly custom wound by JT. A lot of seasoned players like em' but some of em' were paid endorsees too....we'll see. I play HSS now and have grown to really like that setup.
You can add 13 pin hex to your existing guitar with an add on kit too.
Thanks Starise for the info.....I didn't entertain the idea of adding a 13 pin hex to my guitar until now!! I'll look into see how complicated that's going to be. Although I'm primarily more familiar with the guitar, I do liove synth sounds and would rather play it on the guitar than a keyboard (limitations in the talent dept.). The JTV is perfect for my setup as I like to have lots of options in guitar sounds (wish I could control my softsynths with my guitar too) and this would make my recording process much more streamlined. I should look into that midi foot pedal too....thanks for the good info Starise.
Mesh if your still thinking along these lines I have a link here Ghost pickup system for the Graphtech stuff which is some of the best. I would double check the space inside of your guitar. I know in some cases guitars need to be slightly modified to accept the electronics. You can also add the Roland GK pickup to your guitar with very little mod work. The 13 pin is cool because once converted to standard midi with the roland converter you can plug into ANY midi module.
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Re:Would you?
2011/09/14 11:25:58
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I think the firebird X or whatever it is called is kinda cool. I think the Corvus is one of Gibson's uglier guitars. But hey, it doubles as a bottle opener  The reverse explorer is pretty atrocious  As is the reverse V  Then again, I own a re-issue (???) Moderne 
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2011/09/14 11:28:30
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So Maurice, you the moderne man?
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Re:Would you?
2011/09/14 11:40:37
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ProjectM
I really hate the idea of an "auto-tuning" guitar...
(Sorry Karyn, that's a beautiful guitar and I don't mind you liking it...)
I just hate the idea that the basic of playing a guitar - being able to tune it - is taken out of the picture. Things are too fast these days, at least take some time out to tune your guitar
(again, not directed at you Karyn - I'm worried about the children)
Maybe I'm old fashion
It's nice (ok, I'm lazy) to be able to pickup the guitar and know it is in tune, not just with itself but with everything else. On any other guitar you'd need to connect a tuner or get a reference note from another instument. With this you can silently tune between every song in 2 - 3 seconds (if you're playing live). But the main advantage is alternative tuning. eg. Brown Sugar should be played on an open G tuning. So you can throw that into a set list after a song that uses standard tuning, follow it with something that uses open E for bottle neck, then back to standard. All in less time than it would take to change guitars for other pre-tuned ones. And the pickup config and eq settings are all loaded from the same preset so it even sounds like you changed your guitar.... And the bridge includes a hex piezo that you can mix with the pups to ad "acoustic" sound or send to guitar synth.
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2011/09/14 11:46:16
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So Maurice, you the moderne man?
Might be more appropriate to say "the indiscriminate man" as I have some odd $hit at home: American Showster (looks like tailfin of 57 chevy) Jackson Roswell Rhoads (metal with crop circle inlays, ufo knobs) Gittler (words cannot describe this minimalist guitar) Ztar (more of a synth controller than a guitar) The Chapmann Stick (I have no idea what to do with this beast) Ibanez IMG 2010 (another brassiere guitar/synth controller) Roland G-707 (what were they thinking here?????) and on and on.
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2011/09/14 11:46:45
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I really hate the idea of an "auto-tuning" guitar...
(Sorry Karyn, that's a beautiful guitar and I don't mind you liking it...)
I just hate the idea that the basic of playing a guitar - being able to tune it - is taken out of the picture. Things are too fast these days, at least take some time out to tune your guitar
(again, not directed at you Karyn - I'm worried about the children)
Maybe I'm old fashion
I agree that every guitar player should know how to tune a guitar in different tunings. Where the auto and alternate tuning really shines IMO is on stage playing different tunings quickly. You can go from drop D to open G to standard tuning at the turn of a knob.
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2011/09/14 12:51:20
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ProjectM
I really hate the idea of an "auto-tuning" guitar...
(Sorry Karyn, that's a beautiful guitar and I don't mind you liking it...)
I just hate the idea that the basic of playing a guitar - being able to tune it - is taken out of the picture. Things are too fast these days, at least take some time out to tune your guitar
(again, not directed at you Karyn - I'm worried about the children)
Maybe I'm old fashion
I agree that every guitar player should know how to tune a guitar in different tunings. Where the auto and alternate tuning really shines IMO is on stage playing different tunings quickly. You can go from drop D to open G to standard tuning at the turn of a knob.
Might not have been the best example Starise...it's still just turning one knob if you're meaning Open G (blues)...just sayin'...
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2011/09/14 12:55:58
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Might not have been the best example Starise...it's still just turning one knob if you're meaning Open G (blues)...just sayin'...
What Open G tuning are you talking about? To me, Open G = D G D G B D
In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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