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X1 Expanded? Seriously?
"X1 Expanded, on the other hand, contains major enhancements to existing features like a completely overhauled ProChannel, new ProChannel modules, a complete overhaul of FX Chains, etc. " Seth Perlstein, Cakewalk moderator Wasn't X1 supposed to be DAW 2.0? So why does it already need a "completely overhauled ProChannel" and "a complete overhaul of FX Chains"? And why am I having to pay for it? Wasn't X1c supposed to be Cakewalk's response to long standing bugs, and new bugs in X1? So why are there still issues with buss envelopes -- a problem dating back to SONAR 5? This long-time user thinks Cakewalk has lost their way. If they really need revenue that badly, make a better product.
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/15 20:12:16
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consdiering how cheap sonar is, i cant blame them for charging for new enhancements. no one is being forced to buy it, and bug fixes and the like are all free. if anyone doesnt like or need these features, they can skip it. isnt that better than just charging 599 for sonar and forcing everyone to pay for everything? my studio cost A LOT of money to build. the price of sonar, which is the centerpiece mind you, is insignificant when compared to the the total. Nothing in my studio does so much and costs so little. it just amazes me when people complain about the cost of cakewalks products.
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/15 20:38:27
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BlixyYZ -- I expect replies like yours, but my beef isn't with you.
Cakewalk -- fix the freakin' bugs and improve stability before expending resources on new features!
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/15 22:01:51
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/15 22:09:30
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BlixYZ - +1
If Cakewalk has no revenue, the bugs will definitely not get fixed.
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/15 22:15:29
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BlixYZ - +1
If Cakewalk has no revenue, the bugs will definitely not get fixed.
The antithesis is true.
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/15 22:39:14
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jabdo56
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BlixYZ - +1
If Cakewalk has no revenue, the bugs will definitely not get fixed.
The antithesis is true.
Please explain.
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/15 23:11:46
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Sheeesh.
No DAW in this known universe is without issues of one sort or another.
And they are getting more stability in this one already....
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/16 03:17:13
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LOL - one of the complaints of the PC was that it wasn't all visible on smaller resolution screens. They respond to that overhaul it and make it scrollable and guess what? More complaints. 
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2011/09/16 03:51:19
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FastBikerBoy
LOL - one of the complaints of the PC was that it wasn't all visible on smaller resolution screens.
They respond to that overhaul it and make it scrollable and guess what? More complaints.
Is that to be fixed without the paid upgrade?
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/16 04:08:24
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Genuinely new features - great, I'll pay for it if I like it.
But fixed issues and finally delivering what has been sold already.. that's should obviously be for the supplier's account.
PT 9 has had 5 updates and it's still on Avid's account... Come on Cakewalk, play the honorable game here.
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/16 04:28:58
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Updates and improvements of X1 are still free for X1 owners. You only have to pay for NEW FEATURES. I get sick an tired of people starting complaining without even bother reading what is announced. It is just like the whispering game. Someone says something without ground and the next one thickens the plot a bit - leading to complete mis-information at the end of the "line". Oh well - it seems in line with the negative tendency here... the main reason why I do not visit this forum too much any longer...
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/16 04:53:56
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Jonbouy
FastBikerBoy
LOL - one of the complaints of the PC was that it wasn't all visible on smaller resolution screens.
They respond to that overhaul it and make it scrollable and guess what? More complaints.
Is that to be fixed without the paid upgrade?
No, not that I'm aware of but then again it isn't a 'fix' as such because the problem only exists AFAIK if you are working on a resolution below that recommended as a minimum. It's certainly not an issue on my underspec set up, but then my display isn't the bit that's under spec'd. EDIT: I'm also guessing that the scrolling is being added to allow the addition of extra modules rather than appease those with below spec monitors. The side effect will help those with smaller monitors though.
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/16 04:56:46
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JC - I think the concern is with things that are left behind in favour of new features and gadgets. Yes, this group can get quite negative at times, but perhaps there is also some amount of justified concern if Cake moves on to the next exciting thing and doesn't fix the current set of features 100%?
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/16 05:12:05
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Sorry LJB - I was reacting to the OP. I agree that X1 has to be refined and all the standing bugs have to be eliminated (although really 100% working is something not any piece of software I know about has archived). But - by not jumping to an "X2" (and leave it that way for at least next year or longer) and just keep improving X1, as said clearly by Cakewalk people here, this is exactly what is happening. And still some people seem to find some ground to complain even about that. That is the moment they cross the border between being rational and irrational in my opinion. Anyway - I am happy with what is happening at CW.
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/16 05:46:05
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Seth Perlstein that there was at least one more free buf fix update coming for X1C.
In discussing the new SONAR Expanded features, Seth mentioned that there were some bug fixes included which would form part of a free update to X1C.
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/16 05:54:15
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Saturation by Softtube? That should be yummy!
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/16 07:07:56
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FastBikerBoy
Jonbouy
FastBikerBoy
LOL - one of the complaints of the PC was that it wasn't all visible on smaller resolution screens.
They respond to that overhaul it and make it scrollable and guess what? More complaints.
Is that to be fixed without the paid upgrade?
No, not that I'm aware of but then again it isn't a 'fix' as such because the problem only exists AFAIK if you are working on a resolution below that recommended as a minimum. It's certainly not an issue on my underspec set up, but then my display isn't the bit that's under spec'd.
EDIT: I'm also guessing that the scrolling is being added to allow the addition of extra modules rather than appease those with below spec monitors. The side effect will help those with smaller monitors though.
Thanks 1280x800 minimum screen resolution Is the required spec, I take it you can view the entire PC with an 800px high screen then for it to be working as advertised. If not then IMO that should form part of a free bug fix update to the original product.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/09/16 07:14:39
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/16 07:38:42
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Thanks
1280x800 minimum screen resolution
Is the required spec, I take it you can view the entire PC with an 800px high screen then for it to be working as advertised.
If not then IMO that should form part of a free bug fix update to the original product.
Couldn't agree more but I don't know whether you can or not.
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2011/09/16 07:44:11
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OK, if you already have X1 Producer then $49 will get you Softube Saturation. The rest of the stuff is icing on the cake (excuse the pun).
How about looking at it that way?
For those that don't want to pay the extra $49, Cakewalk have stated that they will be fixing any remaining bugs in PC.
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/16 07:53:17
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FastBikerBoy
Thanks
1280x800 minimum screen resolution
Is the required spec, I take it you can view the entire PC with an 800px high screen then for it to be working as advertised.
If not then IMO that should form part of a free bug fix update to the original product.
Couldn't agree more but I don't know whether you can or not.
Just checked on my laptop and it depends on which view you use. You need to use compacted in the inspector view or scroll bars in the console. I rarely use my laptop so haven't noticed it before. The PC state is remembered in screensets though, so one to the other is no great shakes. Scroll bars will be an improvement though.
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/16 09:52:45
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revamped Pro Channel & FX chains? sounds like something for X1D . . . i quit using FX chains because they ALWAYS crashed when trying to apply them. that is what is called "BROKEN" and should be fixed to work as advertised (like they were originally marketed to us!)
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/16 13:01:47
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I what way are they broken on your system wetdentist?
Have you aplied the X1C update yet?
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/16 13:14:08
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FastBikerBoy
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Thanks
1280x800 minimum screen resolution
Is the required spec, I take it you can view the entire PC with an 800px high screen then for it to be working as advertised.
If not then IMO that should form part of a free bug fix update to the original product.
Couldn't agree more but I don't know whether you can or not.
Just checked on my laptop and it depends on which view you use. You need to use compacted in the inspector view or scroll bars in the console. I rarely use my laptop so haven't noticed it before. The PC state is remembered in screensets though, so one to the other is no great shakes.
Scroll bars will be an improvement though.
Thanks very much for checking that out for me.
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/16 13:18:03
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OK, if you already have X1 Producer then $49 will get you Softube Saturation. The rest of the stuff is icing on the cake (excuse the pun).
How about looking at it that way?
For those that don't want to pay the extra $49, Cakewalk have stated that they will be fixing any remaining bugs in PC.
Pity Cakewalk didn't look at it that way. The added featurettes as well as the fixes could well have been provided as a 'D' update to level the playing field for all X1 users. As well as an opportunity to repair some of the damaged good-will the initial X1 release caused many for a long time after December. (Look at the subsequent bug-fix lists to see all of that it wasn't just whining from a few forum members if you need reminding what actually happened). The modules then would have been the logical paid for additions that all could opt for thus being suitably equipped with the 'new' modular Pro-Channel. This confusing attempt strikes me as more marketing madness, from the same company that brought you the famous voice mail recorder.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/09/16 13:32:54
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/16 13:32:55
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I think if Zeta2 would have been included in this package, all of this would get more interest from me. Some type of discount so not to offend people who just bought Zeta2.
The rest of the package annoys me some. Most of the things I read appear to criss-cross around the areas of X1 that I already paid for - - unless this is seen as the 2011 X1 release.
Shaking my head with this one. I have X1 running smooth here and getting some good work done.
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/16 13:34:20
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Hmm.... but Z3ta 2 isn't part of the package. So why would z3ta 2 owners get a discount?
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/16 13:48:03
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John T
Hmm.... but Z3ta 2 isn't part of the package. So why would z3ta 2 owners get a discount?
I sometimes don't write very clearly - I don't think z3ta2 owners should get a discount. Didn't mean it that way. I meant that people who had not yet purchased Z3ta2, would get some discount with this new expanded package. All in all, this expanded "package" would have more interest to me if it included a more discounted Z3ta2, even if it bumped the price up a tad.
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/16 13:54:05
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Ah, right, I see.
Thing about bundles is, the bigger they get, the smaller the set of people who want the whole bundle gets. I have the opposite view to yours in that I've got no need for Z3ta 2, so more money on the bundle to include it would be a negative for me.
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Re:X1 Expanded? Seriously?
2011/09/16 14:24:08
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All in all, this expanded "package" would have more interest to me if it included a more discounted Z3ta2, even if it bumped the price up a tad.
If you are a producer user though you can get a discount on z3ta+2, or at least that's how I understand it.
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