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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 12:33:16
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(snip) ....FYI, a nice little trick to move windows around in W7, hold the 'windows' key and press your arrow keys. It moves the active app or folder window around the screen and across dual monitors. Very handy little feature.
Wow, nice. I didn't know that, thanks! FWIW I went to W7 six months ago and never looked back. Like many others no doubt, I stayed with XP because of the horror of Vista and doubted W7, but I wish now I'd upgraded earlier. John
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 12:34:37
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Annual XP Re-install?
I've been running with XP SP3 since 2007, without it needing a single re-install.
I've seldom needed to do a reinstall, but I've never once regretted doing it. Unless you're very meticulous at keeping the register clean, vigilant when using the internet and conservative regarding what goes on your harddrive (I'm talking legal, unfilthy stuff here), chances are your PC could be running with just three cylinders.
That being said, I'm probably going W7 64 later this year.
Sven
I intend to make the change sometime soon Sven. Luckily, my DAW has never been internet enabled, so one potential source of corruption never got a look in.
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 12:40:56
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Jim Roseberry
I didn't say Cake, I meant the dozen or more people who keep saying "Change to Win7". There's no guarantee that it will fix anything and so it's not really helping is it?
There's some good advice in this thread...
And I really do hope the OP takes/uses some of it.
That said, nobody (including myself) can absolutely guarantee their advice will solve the problem.
PC's are modular. Thus, if something isn't working, it's a matter of figuring out the culprit (process of eliminating variables)... and replacing (or reconfiguring).
This is another great reason to upgrade to Win7. If it is a driver problem you may replace that driver in the process.
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 12:50:59
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I tend to agree with the people saying this is a bit of a tangent. Win7 is a better OS than XP all round. But XP is rather good too, and Sonar X1 does work on it perfectly well. The problems the OP is having are incredibly unlikely to be solved by an OS change.
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 13:29:34
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On situations like the OP's, I so wish I lived close so I could could get my hands on their system and do some diagnostics hands on. There has to be something causing the issues in particular on the system, either hardware, drivers maybe- I just installed windows 7 64 pro and X1 opens up blazing fast and feels really snappy, both 32 and 64 bit versions of X1. I'm excited about how everything seems to be running on this system. I have done a lot of installs on several machines and never messed with W7 until now. So far, it seems very promising. i will say, the new nvidia driver for my 7600GT forgets the second monitor and cant detect unles I unplug it. I uninstall-ed nvidia driver 280.26 and let windows 7 update driver, problem solved, dual screens work perfectly, not forgetting anything. Lance
post edited by Lanceindastudio - 2011/08/16 13:43:10
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 13:45:33
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John T
...The problems the OP is having are incredibly unlikely to be solved by an OS change.
No one is saying he has to go to Win7. What we are saying is that the likelihood is, he will need to do clean install/reinstall of his OS and apps. Given that, we recommend Win7 (assuming his system is current enough to handle it) over XP. And regarding your statement... Problems like this are "fixed" all the time by a clean reinstall of the OS. Why would going from XP to Win7 somehow preclude that?
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 15:40:39
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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk]
Well I know I wasn't trying to persuade anyone to run Win7
Yes sir, I know you weren't. My apologies for not making myself clearer. Timboe appeared to be trying to persuade Chauncey in to upgrading to Windows 7 and it was clear that he did not want to at this point. That's why I said what I did. Plus, it was bad advice to enable AHCI. It's harder to install drivers, and there's no benefit unless you have SATA-HDD's in an external drive bay that you want to hot swap. FWIW: I can say that I (and a fair number of other Cakewalkers) would not run XP at this point.
I wouldn't either ... but the OP clearly does not want to upgrade to Windows 7 at this point, and X1 should run just fine on XP like it is advertised to. By the way ... I was running XP 32bit and Win7 64bit on my i5 w/4GB RAM on a dual boot setup and saw no difference in operation of the two, so eventually I just wiped my HDD and only installed Win7 64bit. For me I can say unequivocally that I've had far more crashes and bizarre behavior with XP than with Win7.
Over the years, this encompasses probably multiple dozens of computers over multiple dozens of SONAR installs with tons of different hardware and tons of different usage scenarios.
Sounds like you had hardware problems as apposed to them being problems with XP. I used XP as a DAW/Gaming rig and rarely had any crashes. The ones I did were driver related that were fixed with updates (exactly like what's going on now with the transition to 64bit) and bad RAM. RAM has been a thorn in the PC worlds side since day 1. It sounds to me like Chauncey was running XP with Sonar very successfully over the years and has been happy up until he installed X1. Considering that I know of no other user or machine that exhibits this problem I would suggest very strongly that the OP put in a call to support.
He has called tech support ... see post #3. Troubleshooting 101 ... listen to the customer.  All I'm saying is, if the OP doesn't want to upgrade to Windows 7 yet, I would create a slipstream XP installation CD and reinstall XP, first making sure all my BIOS are up to date. The other thing I would do is create an image of my HDD after I do the fresh install of XP, then again after I install Sonar, then again after I install all my plug-in's that need to be registered. That way you have three stages to go back to. Acronis True Image now supports USB, so you can save to an external USB HDD if you only have 1 internal HDD. Best $40 I ever spent. Thanks, and my apologies for not being clearer in my original posts. Bub
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 15:45:14
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JonD
John T
...The problems the OP is having are incredibly unlikely to be solved by an OS change.
No one is saying he has to go to Win7. What we are saying is that the likelihood is, he will need to do clean install/reinstall of his OS and apps.
Given that, we recommend Win7 (assuming his system is current enough to handle it) over XP.
And regarding your statement... Problems like this are "fixed" all the time by a clean reinstall of the OS. Why would going from XP to Win7 somehow preclude that?
Perfectly stated.
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 16:37:05
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Hey Chaunceyc,
I see that you've contacted our e-mail support representatives in the past but I can't find any phone records. I'm not sure if you still want to pursue troubleshooting this but, if you want to, send me a PM with your number and a time slot that will work for you. I'll make sure that I or one of our phone representatives gives you a call.
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 16:49:13
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Hey Chaunceyc,
I see that you've contacted our e-mail support representatives in the past but I can't find any phone records. I'm not sure if you still want to pursue troubleshooting this but, if you want to, send me a PM with your number and a time slot that will work for you. I'll make sure that I or one of our phone representatives gives you a call.
Now that's what I call customer support. Fantastic.......... 
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 17:23:31
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I recently upgraded from XP SP3 to Win 7 64 about four months ago. I was very reluctant to do the upgrade as A: Everything was working fine and stable, and B: I had tons of applications that would have to be reloaded. I also had a couple of devices that didn't have 64 bit drivers for Windows 7. The drivers became available so my excuse was gone. I figured that XP was just getting too old and even though it was stable, all of the development was moving towards Windows 7 so it was time to change.
This is what I did to make the entire process a lot less painful.
First I set up a dual boot with an extra partition for Windows 7. This was easy to do and gave me the option to continue using XP to create music on while in the process of migrating applications over to Windows 7.
As I had time I would re-install all of my applications. This worked very well and the entire process went a lot faster than I anticipated.
Since I had a separate drives for instrument data, patches, samples, etc. and projects - I did not have to migrate any of that data - I simply pointed the new application installs to the existing drives. This worked really well and saved a lot of time.
Once I migrated everything over - I kept the two OS partitions until I was satisfied that everything was stable and working with Windows 7.
Once I was I then deleted the XP partition - (but still kept a backup using Acronis of the old XP partition just in case I needed a file I forgot about.) The most difficult part of the entire process was deleting the old partition, reclaiming the boot sector, and moving the Windows 7 partition to where the original XP partition was. Once that was done - my system was finished.
I can say I am very happy with the results. I did have some 16 bit applications that didn't make the move but they weren't very important. I also have a 3 year old system, like yours, with an overclocked Q6600. The system now runs faster and is more stable than XP ever was.
The only thing I did was to upgrade my memory from 4Gig to 8Gig. This required me to have to tweak some of the overclock settings as the memory was different. Other than this this entire process was much easier than I thought it would be.
I highly recommend making the move - even with an older system. Just go for it.
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 18:13:15
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 18:38:57
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Dave that was a great post. It should be a sticky.
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 18:44:44
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I pretty much just did exactly what you did almost the same exact way- Im still in the middle of migration but Im REALLY enjoying W7 and XP is there if I need it! Lance
digitaleagle
I recently upgraded from XP SP3 to Win 7 64 about four months ago. I was very reluctant to do the upgrade as A: Everything was working fine and stable, and B: I had tons of applications that would have to be reloaded. I also had a couple of devices that didn't have 64 bit drivers for Windows 7. The drivers became available so my excuse was gone. I figured that XP was just getting too old and even though it was stable, all of the development was moving towards Windows 7 so it was time to change.
This is what I did to make the entire process a lot less painful.
First I set up a dual boot with an extra partition for Windows 7. This was easy to do and gave me the option to continue using XP to create music on while in the process of migrating applications over to Windows 7.
As I had time I would re-install all of my applications. This worked very well and the entire process went a lot faster than I anticipated.
Since I had a separate drives for instrument data, patches, samples, etc. and projects - I did not have to migrate any of that data - I simply pointed the new application installs to the existing drives. This worked really well and saved a lot of time.
Once I migrated everything over - I kept the two OS partitions until I was satisfied that everything was stable and working with Windows 7.
Once I was I then deleted the XP partition - (but still kept a backup using Acronis of the old XP partition just in case I needed a file I forgot about.) The most difficult part of the entire process was deleting the old partition, reclaiming the boot sector, and moving the Windows 7 partition to where the original XP partition was. Once that was done - my system was finished.
I can say I am very happy with the results. I did have some 16 bit applications that didn't make the move but they weren't very important. I also have a 3 year old system, like yours, with an overclocked Q6600. The system now runs faster and is more stable than XP ever was.
The only thing I did was to upgrade my memory from 4Gig to 8Gig. This required me to have to tweak some of the overclock settings as the memory was different. Other than this this entire process was much easier than I thought it would be.
I highly recommend making the move - even with an older system. Just go for it.
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 18:56:34
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Seth Kellogg: thank you, I will sit back and watch this play itself
out..
Jonbouy im going to let you off the hook, you can have my
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 19:08:07
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Seth Kellogg: thank you, I will sit back and watch this play itself
out..
Jonbouy im going to let you off the hook, you can have my
best rock album of the year award...its realy meaningless to me !!
Thanks I'll put it in pride of place next to my ' Most promising One Man Band on a Unicycle of 1978' award.
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 19:40:04
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Bub
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Over the years, this encompasses probably multiple dozens of computers over multiple dozens of SONAR installs with tons of different hardware and tons of different usage scenarios.
Sounds like you had hardware problems as apposed to them being problems with XP. I used XP as a DAW/Gaming rig and rarely had any crashes. The ones I did were driver related that were fixed with updates (exactly like what's going on now with the transition to 64bit) and bad RAM. RAM has been a thorn in the PC worlds side since day 1.
Really - on all those machines?  I ran XP from the very inception and was one of those telling people to get off Win95 as XP was a lot better (one it went through its growing pains - history repeats). And yes in some cases you are right exactly - hardware problems - as in XP not handling hardware as well and being prone to flakiness. Yes some machines were perfcectly stable and others less so. Win XP just doesn't handle things as robustly. And yes it would tend to degrade over time. We always had to re-install XP after a period of time of uninstalling and reinstalling stuff because it would just slow down and get more flakey. Never with Win7. One installation and it works the same as it did in the beginning - again on multiple machines. It sounds to me like Chauncey was running XP with Sonar very successfully over the years and has been happy up until he installed X1.
That's true and it's puzzling. But X1 is different than 8.5 and uses the PC's resources in a different way. I'm not saying to go to Win7 but if it were me, and I were a vast minority, and I wanted to use it and couldn't - I would do whatever worked so I could get on using my new toy. For me, as a last resort I would reinstall. And if I were going to take the time to do that I would install the newer OS - which BTW installs in a fraction of the time and with none of the babysitting that the XP installation requires. I think that's what a lot of poeple are saying here. It's fine to hold Cakewalk's feet to the fire and get us to put in whatever tech resources are required to help a customer. We'll do that, but as I think all of us have experienced in various aspects of our lives, sometimes problems just aren't readily fixed in the amount of time we have to work on them. It becomes a situation of diminishing returns and more drastic action is appropriate. And yes sometimes without guarantee. Considering that I know of no other user or machine that exhibits this problem I would suggest very strongly that the OP put in a call to support.
He has called tech support ... see post #3.
Troubleshooting 101 ... listen to the customer.
I'm saying he should call again or let us know where it's falling through. I'm not necessarily here to do detailed troubleshooting - although I'm happy to help. But my help is going to come from my own perspective regarding what I would do personally given the situation. And the answer to that is I would call support until that avenue was exhausted and beyond that I would reinstall my OS. And that OS would be Win7.  To date, I've not had to reinstall Win7 on a machine due to any kind of corruption or degradation. Lots of different hardware with lots of different software configurations.
All I'm saying is, if the OP doesn't want to upgrade to Windows 7 yet, I would create a slipstream XP installation CD and reinstall XP, first making sure all my BIOS are up to date.
The other thing I would do is create an image of my HDD after I do the fresh install of XP, then again after I install Sonar, then again after I install all my plug-in's that need to be registered. That way you have three stages to go back to. Acronis True Image now supports USB, so you can save to an external USB HDD if you only have 1 internal HDD. Best $40 I ever spent.
Good advice on the backups and Acronis. And certainly re-installing XP if the OP doesn't want to use Win7 for whatever reason is totally valid advice and I thank you for your contributions.
Thanks, and my apologies for not being clearer in my original posts.
Bub
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 19:44:03
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The above post shows why Brandon is the greatest!
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 19:57:07
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Just a tangent thought here; not exactly on topic. If your XP machine is working fine, and you're not planning to put a lot of recently written software on it, there isn't much in the way of compelling reason to switch OS. But the world moves on and sooner or later, you'll run into problems from several directions. Mainstream support for XP ended over two years ago I think, which leaves you open to security issues that may or may not be big risks for you. More importantly, it marks the beginning of a process whereby the capabilities of the newer OS begin to diverge significantly from those of XP. Engineers write for the systems that come preinstalled at the time they plan to release, so you can run into software compatibility issues that run from annoying to show-stopping. This divergence increases with time and each new release. Windows 8 is coming late this year or early next, which will leave XP three revs back. It won't be long before software makers aren't blowing their horn about how their stuff runs on XP. But it will run on 8. And 9. I already have one string library that requires W7 for the install. It's a personal decision, but if you're in between projects, or run into one of the show-stoppers, an OS upgrade would probably not be a bad idea.
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 20:02:49
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Just curious..Chauncey...did you ever check your ram? That was the point I was hoping you would see on digifreq forum link I posted on page one of this post...it was on the topic regarding this error. It would be nice if you could rule this out so we stop talking about it.
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 20:23:40
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Mainstream support for XP ended over two years ago I think, which leaves you open to security issues that may or may not be big risks for you.
That depends on the business/situation XP is installed in. I've been in hundreds of offices since Vista and Windows 7 came out working on connected scanning/printing devices. I've never once had to download a Windows 7 driver to do an install. All I had on my thumb drives were 32 bit XP and Windows Server 2000 drivers. In all the years I was connecting equipment, not once did I run in to Windows Vista or Windows 7. And the places I did run in to Vista, they were in the process of rolling back to XP. So, as home users, yes, we are inclined to want and have the latest and greatest, but the business world doesn't care about that, they want stability and reliability, and that was/is XP. Now that Windows 7 has proven itself, I believe that situation is changing. Windows 7 is a rock solid 64bit OS, but you can't compare that to XP because it was 32bit. Yes a 64bit XP version was available but as an afterthought really, and I never saw it anywhere. Windows 8 is coming late this year or early next, which will leave XP three revs back.
The last official word I read on that, and there may be some new info as I don't keep on it, Windows 8 was scrapped and the next OS will be called something else and won't be released until 2013 at the earliest. But that stuff changes all the time so I could very well be wrong. :)
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 20:30:55
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I personally agree that Win7 is better than Win XP but the last time I checked, Cake clearly states that Win XP SP3 meets the minimum requirement.
Telling customers to pay for additional software that is NOT stated in the specs with no guarantees that anything will actually be fixed it just ridiculous...
A DAW is going to tax a system more than most any other software hardware combination and I can't understand why anyone wouldn't want the best performance available. If its a matter of not being able to afford the update to a newer OS that's fine but then you get the performance according to what you pay.Tthat is Xp is the minimum specificatio so you'll get the minimum performance. Sure X1 will run on XP as most windows software is made to be backwards compatible but there's no question that most software that I know of including SONAR is designed to make best use of the Operating System of the day. The OS of today is Windows 7.
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 20:32:42
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LOL...at least you didn't say "Fried Butter On A Stick" the conservative food over here. Then I would be worried about you for-sure. Meno
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 21:03:54
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Hi Bub - that's exactly what I'm suggesting. It's up to the user or admin for a system to determine what their risk exposure and risk tolerance is. If Microsoft hasn't done any security updates since 4/09, and an XP system is on the web, that system has a degree of risk exposure. You then have to decide what to do about it. The software compatibility is a completely separate issue. If the software runs, and you don't care about the security risk, doing nothing becomes a viable option. When your software has compatibility issues, your options have to expand. As far as 8, I was looking here - http://www.windows8news.com/2011/06/16/microsoft-vp-hints-windows-8-release-fall-2012/ You can offer all sorts of conjecture - I really don't care about the specific date - I only know that it's coming, and that its use of new capability and new architectures changes the compatibility game. Have a nice day.
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 21:20:18
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FWIW:Microsoft has been showing Windows 8 at international trade shows and has been making public statements about its processor support and efficiency as recently as the last 60 days. There are even videos of it running from July. Their Senior Vice President has a blog here that suggests betas are just around the corner. It was posted yesterday.
"We’ve been hard at work designing and building Windows 8, and today we want to begin an open dialog with those of you who will be trying out the pre-release version over the coming months." Sounds like it's coming.
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 21:35:45
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Hi Bub - that's exactly what I'm suggesting. It's up to the user or admin for a system to determine what their risk exposure and risk tolerance is. If Microsoft hasn't done any security updates since 4/09, and an XP system is on the web, that system has a degree of risk exposure.
Your reports about no security updates since 4/09 whilst completely untrue are likely to cause some uneccessary anxiety among some XP users. The fact is that security updates are being delivered for XP regularly, even as recently as last Tuesday. XP SP3 users still have a long time before needing to fret about that. Besides if your XP system is working well for you today, it will still have the same capabilities going forward if you maintain it over the next 20 years if that is your particular preference.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/08/16 21:46:04
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 21:44:38
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If Microsoft hasn't done any security updates since 4/09, and an XP system is on the web, that system has a degree of risk exposure.
Most of the security issue's are blocked by a companies IT department long before it even gets to XP or Vista or Win7 on their network. Again, home usage is a completely different story. And you should not be running the internet on your DAW anyway ... so security should never be an issue. As far as 8, I was looking here - http://www.windows8news.com/2011/06/16/microsoft-vp-hints-windows-8-release-fall-2012/ You can offer all sorts of conjecture - I really don't care about the specific date - I only know that it's coming, and that its use of new capability and new architectures changes the compatibility game. Have a nice day.
I'm not one for spreading conjecture ... I base my claims in fact as much as I can. Here ... this is the official word on Windows 8 released yesterday 08/15/2011 by Microsoft. It will be called Windows 8 and there is no release date. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2011/08/15/welcome-to-building-windows-8.aspx
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 21:53:08
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A requirement spec. should be the major deciding factor for an upgrade. Not a new release.
I chose to upgrade my hardware recently and the low cost of Sandybridge chips made it feaseable to get the extra grunt I required at a price I was prepared to pay. I chose to upgrade the OS at the same time as I could foresee the requirement of more RAM looming.
My old 32 bit system is alive and well and functioning just swell on the other partition of my boot drive. I doubt I'll change anything on it and I expect it will still be functioning just as well at the end of my projected lifespan of this machine.
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 21:55:45
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Jonbouy
Besides if your XP system is working well for you today, it will still have the same capabilities going forward if you maintain it over the next 20 years if that is your particular preference.
I have a very old HP desktop PC in my basement. It's a 486SX. I keep it for tinkering around with some old games when I get bored, and it's just fun to poke around in DOS once in a while. And I still swear, JPG's/BMP's/GIF's etc ... look better on it than they do on todays equipment. VPIC image viewer was awesome IMO. Heck, I still have a Texas Instruments TI-99-4a with speech synthesis module and a box full of tape programs I made when I was a kid. I was really in to creating animation scenes in blazing 16 colors. They later became known as animated GIF's if I'm not mistaken, but back then it took 300 lines of code done by hand and your minds eye rather than a mouse and MS-Paint. :) At any rate. Getting off topic. So far X1C is working very well for me after a hard reboot following it's installation.
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Re:X1C - Feeling pretty hopeless at this point.
2011/08/16 23:07:35
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Users should be concerned about security. If you think your security is being taken care of by Microsoft, you're being complacent. The official support life cycle is here: http://support.microsoft....mp;C2=1173 When it says their responsibility is over 4/09, its over. Whose responsibility is it then? How can you be sure you're safe? Why would you close your eyes to that and ignore it? I'm not saying you should worry about it all night. Just recognize it and factor it into your decision making. If the decision is to accept the risk, then that's what it is. Thats how you control your machine environment. And lets face facts. The majority of home users run their DAW on an internet access machine. Check out where Microsoft is going with cloud computing. And here's a flash for you - big companies get hacked all the time. Your XP system will have the same capabilities decades from now if you still want to use it. But I'm betting the software then will have different requirements. I have a rotary dial telephone. I'd use it, but all the thing does is make phone calls. Imagine that. The challenge is to have enough of a future vision to be able to plan where you need to be at a particular point in time. If you just wait until a project requires an overhaul, you might get lucky. But what if you discover problems? Would you rather solve them in a more or less relaxed way, or play catch-up while a client screams at you? Just food for thought. Then again, if you're happy with what you're doing now, by all means continue. Have an absolutely wonderful day.
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