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X1(b) - No Confidence?
My bass player came over last night to lay down some tracks for a project we started under 8.5.3. I've been working a lot lately with X1(a) and now X1(b) and assumed we would just move the project over to X1(b). BUT, when we had to actually make the decision ... I coundn't do it. I still just don't have enough confidence in X1(b) to depend on it for a "real" project.
Lesson to be learned...releasing software before it's really ready has many bad consequences that may LINGER for some time to come.
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
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That, to me, just seems to be a prudent, professional decision. I would never depend on a new software release in a professional environment until I was totally sure it would be dependable no matter the software, no matter version, no matter the purpose.
I have architectural software that takes quite a bit of experimenting with before I move or begin a new project in a new version. Again IMO just a smart business decision.
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 13:08:19
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When using software in a professional environment be sure it has done a thorough test cyclus. Most times I use a "shadow" install (can be a image copy on a removable hard disk or a dual boot configuration), and run tests with actual projects. Notice - this must be done with EVERY software you use in a professional environment.
After the test give a good outcome (that is - it could not be exactly the same, but with some adoptions that are not too big), and the test has run for a long enough time (most times I take a half year for big applications) without severe problems, the software gets the "green light". This also gives room for updates and bug solutions until the software is stable and trustful enough.
Anyone that is really a professional, should use the same safe testing before using any software that he/she/it depends on.
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 13:09:12
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Bitbridge in 64 bit is a travesty. It is the source of 90% of my crashes. If they spent some time in this one area, it would improve a lot of peoples experience. Either that or abandon the feature and let people deal with finding 64 bit plugins to work with. It exposes the program in my estimation. After 5 years of supporting this band aid, its time to move on. It would reduce criticism of the lack of stability.
It would also force the remaining plug in companies that need to step up to 64 bit, to step up.
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 13:15:56
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havent even tried using projects from 8.5. only x1 projects.. and then loded projects after patch.. no problems.i wish i had an answer to why it works so well for me. i dont..im sorry for that..i still dont want to think its cause i bought a brand new computer and loaded only x1 on it.but i dont know what else it could be .
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 13:26:09
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Middleman I feel, or at least felt your pain. Bit Bridge is a royal pain at times. It's not friendly with certain plug-ins. However I'm a huge supporter of jBridge. It's an inexpensive substitute that has worked well for me with various "difficult" plug-ins like Drumagog, the entire KORG Legacy series of synths which were a teleport server error waiting to happen. Once I was able to get things sorted out I've haven't really used the 32 bit version of X1 at all.
I've also been lucky in that outside of some annoyances with X1 a & B, I've been able to make the switch from 8.53 without any major crashes or losing work thankfully.
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 13:30:45
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Middleman
Bitbridge in 64 bit is a travesty. It is the source of 90% of my crashes. If they spent some time in this one area, it would improve a lot of peoples experience. Either that or abandon the feature and let people deal with finding 64 bit plugins to work with. It exposes the program in my estimation. After 5 years of supporting this band aid, its time to move on. It would reduce criticism of the lack of stability.
It would also force the remaining plug in companies that need to step up to 64 bit, to step up.
I think that last remark is on the spot. Doing a bit bridge for 32 bits applications does not work very well with Cubase 6 either, so I wonder what is happening if two company's does not seem to get it right. I know Jbridge seems to work goo for a lot of people, but it is not perfect. Yes - I think plugins must be offered in 32 an 64 bit versions. At the other hand - there are a lot of good plugins that are not longer developped or will be upgraded to 64 bit. There is nothing that can be done about that..
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 13:49:04
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Hummm! I have 8.5 32bit and X1b 64bit loaded on the same computer and switch back and fourth between the two. No probles so far.
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 13:49:40
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Middleman
Bitbridge in 64 bit is a travesty. It is the source of 90% of my crashes. If they spent some time in this one area, it would improve a lot of peoples experience. Either that or abandon the feature and let people deal with finding 64 bit plugins to work with. It exposes the program in my estimation. After 5 years of supporting this band aid, its time to move on. It would reduce criticism of the lack of stability.
It would also force the remaining plug in companies that need to step up to 64 bit, to step up.
I think this makes the same point. If you are in a professional environment and you get crashes using 32 bit plugins -stop using 32 bit plugins or find a professional environment that doesn't crash. The key word here is 'professional.' In my professional business as construction designer I'm not about to use a program that crashes because of a known issue. I'll either not use that item that causes the issue or find a professional environment I can work in and get professional results. Sonar Hobbyist, like myself - way different scenario. I have as much fun figuring X1a, b out as I do trying to compose and record music. It's a HOBBY. Nothing at risk but a couple of flames from a lovely forum I belong to. If you're a professional and find that 32 bit plugs are causing your professional, livelyhood making tool to crash, and you're still using those plugins? Really?
post edited by HumbleNoise - 2011/03/23 14:06:20
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 14:05:38
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I used to use a lot of Waves stuff with Bit Bridge. R Comp is a go-to for me, but Pro Channel has made me rethink that. Also, when I've actually toyed with the Sonitus stuff in 64 Bit I've found it's more than up to the task. I've also started using the PX-64 much more as well. For me 64 bit was more about breaking some old habits and trying to learn some new tricks. I use SONAR both pro and hobby so it make sense to follow what Humble Noise stated. It's frustratiing to know that KORG could seem to care less about 64 bit. It's VERY frustrating the Propellerhead feels the same way, and I use Reason less and less because of that. I really don't understand this rejection of developing plug-ins for 64 bit use.
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 14:17:26
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chuckebaby
sorry your missing out..listen to my soundclick page and tell me i have no confidence.
ive done miltiplpe tests on it. and then more tests..i wish i had an answer to why it works so well for me.
i dont..im sorry for that..i still dont want to think its cause i bought a brand new computer and loaded only x1 on it.but i dont know what else it could be
Just curious ... have you ever tried to work with a project started in 8.5.3 in X1 or are all your projects on Soundclick X1 from the start? Some work for me and some don't. Seems to be no rhyme or reason to it. What I got out of amiller's post was he was afraid to continue an 8.5.3 project in X1 ... which I can understand. It's been well documented that myself and others have had problems opening up 8.5.3 projects in X1. That said, I opened up a project that I started in X1(original release) in X1b and it ran flawlessly. Somehow it became corrupted and I couldn't work with it anymore even after X1a, but it works fine in X1b and I'm almost finished with it now after starting it in December so I have a lot of faith in X1b. And that being said, there are still some things very wrong with the 'b' patch and there needs to be a few more free patches.
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 14:26:43
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+1 for jbridge. I use it on everything that needs a bridge, the improved interface alone is worth the very few £s. You also get personal support from the developer, he emails you the updates. How's that for service?
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 14:32:13
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assumed we would just move the project over to X1(b) I Guess you thought wrong !! and your topic is totaly wrong !!
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 14:33:27
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amiller
My bass player came over last night to lay down some tracks for a project we started under 8.5.3. I've been working a lot lately with X1(a) and now X1(b) and assumed we would just move the project over to X1(b). BUT, when we had to actually make the decision ... I coundn't do it. I still just don't have enough confidence in X1(b) to depend on it for a "real" project.
Lesson to be learned...releasing software before it's really ready has many bad consequences that may LINGER for some time to come.
I don't understand. Are you afraid of the project getting corrupted? Why not just save a copy as ProjectX or whatever and open that in X1 to see what happens. If it gets corrupted, you will still have the original copy to use in 8.5.
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 14:36:46
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chuckebaby
sorry your missing out..listen to my soundclick page and tell me i have no confidence.
ive done miltiplpe tests on it. and then more tests..i wish i had an answer to why it works so well for me.
i dont..im sorry for that..i still dont want to think its cause i bought a brand new computer and loaded only x1 on it.but i dont know what else it could be
Just curious ... have you ever tried to work with a project started in 8.5.3 in X1 or are all your projects on Soundclick X1 from the start? Some work for me and some don't. Seems to be no rhyme or reason to it.
What I got out of amiller's post was he was afraid to continue an 8.5.3 project in X1 ... which I can understand. It's been well documented that myself and others have had problems opening up 8.5.3 projects in X1.
That said, I opened up a project that I started in X1(original release) in X1b and it ran flawlessly. Somehow it became corrupted and I couldn't work with it anymore even after X1a, but it works fine in X1b and I'm almost finished with it now after starting it in December so I have a lot of faith in X1b.
And that being said, there are still some things very wrong with the 'b' patch and there needs to be a few more free patches.
edited previous post...i took it as hes got a project in x1 a and hes affraid to open it in x1 b..you did nt?
post edited by chuckebaby - 2011/03/23 14:39:17
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 14:40:38
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amiller
My bass player came over last night to lay down some tracks for a project we started under 8.5.3. I've been working a lot lately with X1(a) and now X1(b) and assumed we would just move the project over to X1(b). BUT, when we had to actually make the decision ... I coundn't do it. I still just don't have enough confidence in X1(b) to depend on it for a "real" project.
Lesson to be learned...releasing software before it's really ready has many bad consequences that may LINGER for some time to come.
I don't understand. Are you afraid of the project getting corrupted? Why not just save a copy as ProjectX or whatever and open that in X1 to see what happens. If it gets corrupted, you will still have the original copy to use in 8.5.
Many many strategies to insure your new software version is up to taking on the task full time - here's one excellent way to transition IMO. Nice one Bert or is it Ernie?
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 14:43:06
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+1 for jbridge. I use it on everything that needs a bridge, the improved interface alone is worth the very few £s. You also get personal support from the developer, he emails you the updates. How's that for service?
I have Jbridge, How do I force it to be used instead of bitbridge? I only have Kore 2 as a 32-bit plugin anyway. I refuse to buy anymore 32-bit plugs. I'm all about full 64-bit through and through. I stopped using it because of the instability it causes. I can't wait for it to be 64-bit as it's an amazing piece of software. If everyone would stop using 32-bit plugs in the 64 bit environment, companies would be forced to make 64-bit versions. From my X1 user poll I learned that from the X1 users who took the poll, 66% were using 64-bit systems and 34% were still 32-bit. This is a great trend. So for anyone who wants a full 64-bit environment with X1, STOP USING AND SUPPORTING companies who do not offer 64-bit plugs. And yes, I do understand that alot of people have huge investments in 32-bit plugs. But for people who don't, they are the ones who can really send a message by not buying them. One reason I love Native Instruments is because of there support for 64-bit across all of their plugs (except for Kore 2, which hopefully will be Kore 3 soon!)
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 14:53:16
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Bub
chuckebaby
sorry your missing out..listen to my soundclick page and tell me i have no confidence.
ive done miltiplpe tests on it. and then more tests..i wish i had an answer to why it works so well for me.
i dont..im sorry for that..i still dont want to think its cause i bought a brand new computer and loaded only x1 on it.but i dont know what else it could be
Just curious ... have you ever tried to work with a project started in 8.5.3 in X1 or are all your projects on Soundclick X1 from the start? Some work for me and some don't. Seems to be no rhyme or reason to it.
What I got out of amiller's post was he was afraid to continue an 8.5.3 project in X1 ... which I can understand. It's been well documented that myself and others have had problems opening up 8.5.3 projects in X1.
That said, I opened up a project that I started in X1(original release) in X1b and it ran flawlessly. Somehow it became corrupted and I couldn't work with it anymore even after X1a, but it works fine in X1b and I'm almost finished with it now after starting it in December so I have a lot of faith in X1b.
And that being said, there are still some things very wrong with the 'b' patch and there needs to be a few more free patches.
edited previous post...i took it as hes got a project in x1 a and hes affraid to open it in x1 b..you did nt?
I took it as his bass player came over to lay down a track they started in 8.5.3 and he's been working on his own in X1a and X1b and is afraid to bring the 8.5.3 project in to X1b. I'm probably wrong though. Usually am. No need for further correspondence. Bub.
"My bass player came over last night to lay down some tracks for a project we started under 8.5.3. I've been working a lot lately with X1(a) and now X1(b) and assumed we would just move the project over to X1(b)."
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 14:54:12
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Open the plugin manager. Click on the plugin you want to use jbridge and select "plugin properties". There's an option you can check "Load using jbridge wrapper"
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 14:54:14
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Open the plugin manager. Click on the plugin you want to use jbridge and select "plugin properties". There's an option you can check "Load using jbridge wrapper"
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 14:57:39
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I don't understand. Are you afraid of the project getting corrupted? Why not just save a copy as ProjectX or whatever and open that in X1 to see what happens. If it gets corrupted, you will still have the original copy to use in 8.5.
One problem that can come about in that scenario is that the user saves the project "now" as Project X. Then continues to do a lot of work in X1B and things get corrupted. Going 'back' to Project X means starting over again to add back in the changes that may have been done over days or weeks of work. I think that's why there's reluctance.
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 15:01:17
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Bub
chuckebaby
Bub
chuckebaby
sorry your missing out..listen to my soundclick page and tell me i have no confidence.
ive done miltiplpe tests on it. and then more tests..i wish i had an answer to why it works so well for me.
i dont..im sorry for that..i still dont want to think its cause i bought a brand new computer and loaded only x1 on it.but i dont know what else it could be
Just curious ... have you ever tried to work with a project started in 8.5.3 in X1 or are all your projects on Soundclick X1 from the start? Some work for me and some don't. Seems to be no rhyme or reason to it.
What I got out of amiller's post was he was afraid to continue an 8.5.3 project in X1 ... which I can understand. It's been well documented that myself and others have had problems opening up 8.5.3 projects in X1.
That said, I opened up a project that I started in X1(original release) in X1b and it ran flawlessly. Somehow it became corrupted and I couldn't work with it anymore even after X1a, but it works fine in X1b and I'm almost finished with it now after starting it in December so I have a lot of faith in X1b.
And that being said, there are still some things very wrong with the 'b' patch and there needs to be a few more free patches.
edited previous post...i took it as hes got a project in x1 a and hes affraid to open it in x1 b..you did nt?
I took it as his bass player came over to lay down a track they started in 8.5.3 and he's been working on his own in X1a and X1b and is afraid to bring the 8.5.3 project in to X1b. I'm probably wrong though. Usually am. No need for further correspondence.
Bub.
"My bass player came over last night to lay down some tracks for a project we started under 8.5.3. I've been working a lot lately with X1(a) and now X1(b) and assumed we would just move the project over to X1(b)."
no bud..your not usually wrong..most of time your right..i could be reading into it wrong..all is well..when i went from x1 to x1a i didnt have any problems..but i consider my self lucky..ive read more than a few who have.thats not just a myth..its all to real i understand that...my first post was a bit snotty..im glad i changed it..thank you.
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 15:03:11
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In my business, with a new version, I save multiple copies of a project over the course of a large complex project and never have that far back to revert if things go wrong. Very easy and prudent IMO when using new software for important results but still IMO no substitute for thorough testing before fully committing. Took me a long time before switching to the latest software in my profession.
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 16:40:32
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FBB, thanks for reminding me to use JBridge. I just went through and and clicked that button for all the UAD plug ins. An error with Boost 11 and UAD plug ins completely disappeared which was crashing X1b. I knew this but had just forgotten it was there.
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 16:41:47
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No worries, I think there's a couple of mine that don't play well with Jbridge but 99% of them are a vast improvement.
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 16:50:46
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HumbleNoise
That, to me, just seems to be a prudent, professional decision. I would never depend on a new software release in a professional environment until I was totally sure it would be dependable no matter the software, no matter version, no matter the purpose.
I have architectural software that takes quite a bit of experimenting with before I move or begin a new project in a new version. Again IMO just a smart business decision.
I think, in all fairness, this is an inaccurate statement. New software release? Really Larry? We are 5 months into the development cycle of the product, hardly a new product. I'd say, the software now is at a point for which it should have been released December 8th 2010. I dont understand the "lets wait a year before it works" mentality. Not trying to be harsh, just calling it as I see it. Best,
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 17:05:35
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Scott,
It was just an opinion and as such, can be neither accurate nor inaccurate, it's just an opinion, and I respect your opinion as being valid as well.
The context of the post had nothing to do with the "lets wait a year before it works" mentality." Didn't say it, didn't intend it, didn't imply it. You can read, as we all do, whatever you'd like but the context of the post was referring to what I thought was the prudent professional thing with software you made your livlihood from.
In my opinion I think it's silly to depend on any software, new or old, for one's livelihood without thorough testing. How about you?
And Scott I've been curious about your experience with X1b - if any since you were having such a hard time with X1a. Been good and bad reported, did you get any more stability?
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 17:24:28
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"In my opinion I think it's silly to depend on any software, new or old, for one's livelihood without thorough testing. How about you?"
Hi Larry, Problem is, how well do you think that analogy would fair in the car business? It is my livelihood to drive to work, and get home. If the car does not work, you don't wait a year before it does. How about you? Why software gets the "get out of jail free card" boggles ones mind. You buy into a product, you expect it to work 80-85% at least of how it was promoted. Sure, it is fair to assume there will be some maintenance involved after the primary release, not 5 months into the development cycle to get "working as intended". But you are right, we all have different opinions on the matter. If the software though is not ready for a public release, we dont had the option to take the opened box back to the store. Entrapment into becoming a customer beta tester? Perhaps, but calling this a new release is somewhat misleading from my point of view.
post edited by Scott Lee - 2011/03/23 17:25:56
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 17:40:45
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Been using Sonar X1, X1a and now X1b in REAL projects. A 'Professional environment' is an irrelevant issue. Sonar X1 is now a public release and will probably get more enhancements.
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Re:X1(b) - No Confidence?
2011/03/23 18:15:38
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5 months? I thought it was March still........ 
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