Johnny5078


I agree.  I am rooting for Cake too.  I have enjoyed and been productive on every version Since 4.  I have even convinced a few friends to switch over.  I am looking forward to the update.

I'm rooting for CW too -- as I hope most of us are.
I'm rooting for us too -- to have a great DAW/Host ;)
 

A1MixMan


Thanks to the OP for posting this and thanks to Cakewalk staff for all of their hard work on X1b.
 
I appreciate it.
 
But I have to ask...
 
How many times will we hear this over and over on these forums:
 
"Oh my God! Look at all the bugs in X1!"
 
"Oh my God! Look at all the bug fixes in X1b!"
 
"Why did they rush out X1 before it was finished?!?"
 
"Why don't they rush out X1b before it's finished?!?"
 
Over and over and over, the same old story.
 
WE ALL KNOW X1 HAS PROBLEMS. CAKEWALK KNOWS X1 HAS PROBLEMS. CAKEWALK IS WORKING HARD TO FIX AS MANY THINGS AS POSSIBLE. THEY NEED TIME TO DO THIS. YES IT SUCKS BUT THAT'S THE SITUATION RIGHT NOW. WIPE YOUR TEARS, CLEAN UP THE MILK AND MAKE SOME MUSIC. WITH X1 OR 8.5 OR WHATEVER.

Yeah, I think we all know these things have been gone over a number of times - but for some, it's not possible to "make music" with X1 as it is, until (hopefully) the bug fixes are in.
 
That's the toothache - and that's why some people are still feeling bruised and become repetitive, including myself.
 
Let people vent.  What's the harm, if it's not disrespectful?   And, it keeps the pressure up on the company to "do the right thing."
 
 

Cakewalk ought to include a free example of a successful project and project-template created with each Sonar release using just the free included instruments and FX.

Seriously -- that's what's missing. These releases need to be accompanied by an actual Cakewalk Project Bundle file showing "Look! An actual composer and an actual vocalist used this to do something musical, and here are all the files as proof!"

Because there is so much posting on the forums about "I can't do this! AND I can't do this! AND I can't do this!" -- what are the actual music projects that Cakewalk uses to test their product and why not release them to us for free?

Corling


Cakewalk ought to include a free example of a successful project and project-template created with each Sonar release using just the free included instruments and FX.

Seriously -- that's what's missing. These releases need to be accompanied by an actual Cakewalk Project Bundle file showing "Look! An actual composer and an actual vocalist used this to do something musical, and here are all the files as proof!"

Because there is so much posting on the forums about "I can't do this! AND I can't do this! AND I can't do this!" -- what are the actual music projects that Cakewalk uses to test their product and why not release them to us for free?

While it may be useful to include such things, I have to disagree otherwise.
 
I hardly use any of the 'included/bundled' plugins (some yes, but most no).  There are great plugins out there that do a much better job (for me) than some of the included ones.   I think you'll find a lot of people, especially professionals, using 3rd party stuff moreso than bundled ones.
 
So therefor, the "Look this works" has a limited value.
 
 

ba_midi
 
I hardly use any of the 'included/bundled' plugins (some yes, but most no).  There are great plugins out there that do a much better job (for me) than some of the included ones.   I think you'll find a lot of people, especially professionals, using 3rd party stuff moreso than bundled ones.
 
So therefor, the "Look this works" has a limited value.

Other than Ozone 4, which with the Pro Channel now I can do without it, I only use the plug-in's that come with X1PE. That's why people buy the PE edition, to get all the plug-in's isn't it?

Just curious, which version of X1 did you buy? If it was PE, why did you if you don't use most of the plug-in's? Is there some other functionality of it that's different than the other two versions? Serious question, not trying to split hairs or anything like that.

Bub

ba_midi

I hardly use any of the 'included/bundled' plugins (some yes, but most no).  There are great plugins out there that do a much better job (for me) than some of the included ones.   I think you'll find a lot of people, especially professionals, using 3rd party stuff moreso than bundled ones.

So therefor, the "Look this works" has a limited value.

Other than Ozone 4, which with the Pro Channel now I can do without it, I only use the plug-in's that come with X1PE. That's why people buy the PE edition, to get all the plug-in's isn't it?

Just curious, which version of X1 did you buy? If it was PE, why did you if you don't use most of the plug-in's? Is there some other functionality of it that's different than the other two versions? Serious question, not trying to split hairs or anything like that.

I only get the Producer Edition.  There's nothing wrong with having all there is to have, in that regard.  And I do use SOME of the bundled plugins.

But that's not the point.  The reply I made was in reference to showing how X1 can work with the included items.   For me that wouldn't prove much.   For many, actually.

Things either work or they don't.  Sonar is a "host" (some say DAW).  It's meant to host more than its own bundled plugins, just like any other DAW.

So the value of seeing how it works "on its own" would be of limited value to me, as I said.   I need to know I can use any of the legitimate/functional/brand name plugins I choose.

ba_midi

Things either work or they don't.  Sonar is a "host" (some say DAW).  It's meant to host more than its own bundled plugins, just like any other DAW.

So the value of seeing how it works "on its own" would be of limited value to me, as I said.   I need to know I can use any of the legitimate/functional/brand name plugins I choose.

+1000

ba_midi


The reply I made was in reference to showing how X1 can work with the included items.   For me that wouldn't prove much.   For many, actually.

Things either work or they don't.  Sonar is a "host" (some say DAW).  It's meant to host more than its own bundled plugins, just like any other DAW.

So the value of seeing how it works "on its own" would be of limited value to me, as I said.   I need to know I can use any of the legitimate/functional/brand name plugins I choose.

I believe there are bugs/issues that occur even when only using the bundled/Cakewalk plugins (see the bug-fix list for X1b ) so in a sense it would be useful as a means to demonstrate these issues/bugs without anyone being able to claim it had anything to do with 3rd party plugins. See it as a narrowing down of the variables to help debug things.

Of course you don't really need an example project to exclude external factors. When I tested whether the Matrix View was sample accurately in sync with the track view I used only Cakewalk plugins to make sure it was not an external issue. So although I agree with you that Sonar needs to play well with 3rd party products (plugins, audio interfaces, various computer setups etc), having the Cakewalk base covered seems like a good start.

Anyway, I think it would still be nice to have an example project. One reason would be to have a quick way to test a new setup. If the example project runs it is an indication that Sonar was properly installed. (Although it is no guarantee that things are perfectly tweaked and fine tuned). It would also be a good debugging / help tool. If people come to the forum or contact Cakewalk support complaining about issues, running the example project could be a very good place to start pin pointing issues with a user's computer etc.

And last and not least, if it is a well made example project, it could be a very good educational tool for new users. I don't mean experienced DAW users that are just switching or upgrading DAW but people that are new to the whole audio thing and DAWs in general.

UnderTow

And last and not least, if it is a well made example project, it could be a very good educational tool for new users. I don't mean experienced DAW users that are just switching or upgrading DAW but people that are new to the whole audio thing and DAWs in general.

This is true.

is it also possible 64 bit has a little to do with it..it seem to have come out in a transition with windows 7 and 64 bit..those are some large obsticles

UnderTow


Why are you shouting? No one is forcing you to read anything if you don't want to.


UnderTow

Yeah, you are right. I should probably stop reading it.
 
And I do apologise for shouting.

UnderTow
Anyway, I believe that part of the current conversion is about the choice of making it one big patch instead of steadily releasing a patch every month since X1 came out. (Or something like that). A legitimate question/discussion IMO. 

I think so too. And I think it contradicts what Cake mentioned when X1 first came out about wanting to adopt a "smaller and faster" update schema...but I suspect with this massively different release they just got buried in bugs/changes. I would guess the beta testers are probably hauling ass right now to get this thing done and out so everyone can move on to the next milestone.


At least I hope that's the case. I reckon they could be having coke and hooker parties and we're just flappin' our jaws for months for no reason. In which case I need to get on the beta team. :-)

UnderTow

 

I hope Mr Sheen isn't on the beta testing team or we will never see X1b!

UnderTow

If he is then we'd all be, WINNING!!!!!!

SystemF


Am i right to assume, that the X1b patch is in fact the hotfix for X1a ? Because i cannot seem to find anything to downloaded that resembles X1b.

No!!!!!! Don't do it!!!! X1b is the next update we're waiting for.  The hotfix applies to people with specific audio interfaces.

I send CW suggestion to release X1b as X2 in December.
They thought it was a great idea.

-Loyal user-