ba_midi

Bub

ba_midi

I hardly use any of the 'included/bundled' plugins (some yes, but most no).  There are great plugins out there that do a much better job (for me) than some of the included ones.   I think you'll find a lot of people, especially professionals, using 3rd party stuff moreso than bundled ones.

So therefor, the "Look this works" has a limited value.

Other than Ozone 4, which with the Pro Channel now I can do without it, I only use the plug-in's that come with X1PE. That's why people buy the PE edition, to get all the plug-in's isn't it?

Just curious, which version of X1 did you buy? If it was PE, why did you if you don't use most of the plug-in's? Is there some other functionality of it that's different than the other two versions? Serious question, not trying to split hairs or anything like that.

I only get the Producer Edition.  There's nothing wrong with having all there is to have, in that regard.  And I do use SOME of the bundled plugins.

But that's not the point.  The reply I made was in reference to showing how X1 can work with the included items.   For me that wouldn't prove much.   For many, actually.

Things either work or they don't.  Sonar is a "host" (some say DAW).  It's meant to host more than its own bundled plugins, just like any other DAW.

So the value of seeing how it works "on its own" would be of limited value to me, as I said.   I need to know I can use any of the legitimate/functional/brand name plugins I choose.

SilkTone


The vast majority of those are non-critical bugs. I really don't understand why these bugs weren't triaged by severity, and then fixed in that order. Then CW could have released a patch a long time ago already so that those of us that can't even use X1 in its current state can at least start using it. That is how real software development works, especially if your current flagship product is DOA. It has been over 3 months now and we are stuck waiting while CW wastes time fixing a huge list of trivial bugs.

To me X1 is the poster child of bad decisions. Even after the severity of a lot of the bad decisions CW has made with X1 has become known, they still choose to continue making bad decisions. Really disappointing.

Bub

ba_midi

Bub

ba_midi

I hardly use any of the 'included/bundled' plugins (some yes, but most no).  There are great plugins out there that do a much better job (for me) than some of the included ones.   I think you'll find a lot of people, especially professionals, using 3rd party stuff moreso than bundled ones.

So therefor, the "Look this works" has a limited value.

Other than Ozone 4, which with the Pro Channel now I can do without it, I only use the plug-in's that come with X1PE. That's why people buy the PE edition, to get all the plug-in's isn't it?

Just curious, which version of X1 did you buy? If it was PE, why did you if you don't use most of the plug-in's? Is there some other functionality of it that's different than the other two versions? Serious question, not trying to split hairs or anything like that.

I only get the Producer Edition.  There's nothing wrong with having all there is to have, in that regard.  And I do use SOME of the bundled plugins.

But that's not the point.  The reply I made was in reference to showing how X1 can work with the included items.   For me that wouldn't prove much.   For many, actually.

Things either work or they don't.  Sonar is a "host" (some say DAW).  It's meant to host more than its own bundled plugins, just like any other DAW.

So the value of seeing how it works "on its own" would be of limited value to me, as I said.   I need to know I can use any of the legitimate/functional/brand name plugins I choose.

I disagree with you based on the fact that Sonar is bundled with a lot of 3rd party plug-in's. A big one being Guitar Rig 4. I can definitely see a benefit to having a project available to show off all the plug-in's, if for no other reason to just have something to look at to see how it is used in a real world application.

I look at everything from a monetary standpoint and personally, if I knew I was going to be using mostly plug-in's that I got from someplace else, I wouldn't spend the extra for the PE edition but rather put that money toward some plugs. But I understand everyone doesn't think that way. :)

Bub
I disagree with you based on the fact that Sonar is bundled with a lot of 3rd party plug-in's. A big one being Guitar Rig 4. I can definitely see a benefit to having a project available to show off all the plug-in's, if for no other reason to just have something to look at to see how it is used in a real world application. 

I look at everything from a monetary standpoint and personally, if I knew I was going to be using mostly plug-in's that I got from someplace else, I wouldn't spend the extra for the PE edition but rather put that money toward some plugs. But I understand everyone doesn't think that way. :)

If anything I'd rather see video of someone busting out a production which is way more interesting to me.

So it's March, where is X1b? I hope when it comes the installer doesn't step on my full versions of Guitar Rig and True pianos again

mudgel

koolbass


I'm reading some of the grumbling about the large number of fixes Cakewalk is posting.  But, if my memory serves me correctly, this is the first time Cake has posted fixes before releasing an update.

First off, I'm GLAD for the large number of fixes. 

Secondly, how do we know, in comparison, how many fixes have been on previous updates?

Third(ly), is there ANYTHING some of you folks DON'T complain about?  (I bet some of you complain about the sun rising "AGAIN" every morning ... lol)

With EVERY release Cakewalk always include a readme file which lists the things that were foxed ion that release or update what ever the case may be.
We're just getting a list up front. and yes some of those past lists were quite extensive.
But i don't remember so many people who can't get any use out of the program at all and have had to go back to 8.5 to get our work done.
You seem to see it as complaining for no good reason whereas for many of us it just exercising our right to complain about a product we bought in good faith that doesn't work as advertised.
 
As has been said already seeing as there were so many bugs why not fix the biggest most severe problems and release a patch early and continue fixing the smaller things as time goes on. that way many more of us could be using the SONAR X1 as we had expected to. I carved out a 6 week period where I had an extended break giving me time to come to grips with SONAR X1 without the pressure of work as usually I move to a new version very cautiously after some time of using both the old and the new. As I was expecting a significant GUI rewrite I planned differently this year and am sad to say that my 6 weeks was time wated trying to bring a dead dog to life without success.
 
I've still got my work done in 8.5.3 but haven't really had any time to make use of X1 because it doesn't work. I dare say that I won't be using X1 this year so for me it's been a complete wasted exercise and a very frustrating one. sure I'll be able to dabble with X1 here and there but not the long continuous hands oin time I expected to have.
 
In past years I've not been bitten so significantly by many bugs and I've been able to use SONAR form the release. thisa time round I can't believe how many of the things in the list as currently posted I'm affected by. It's really is staggering. It makes it clear why it wont work for me and as others have said I can't fathom how it's working at all for anyone though obviously it is.

Keebo


Didn't X1 include the two sample projects Cori Yarckin and Lance Jones?

Kroneborge

UnderTow

SteveStrummerUK



Who believes, like me, that X1b should have been the release version of X1?

And if so, should the release of X2 be postponed until March 2012?

Or should X2 still be released in Oct/Nov/Dec 2011?

Or should we get all the goodies X2 will doubtless contain at a reduced price in the autumn (fall)?

 
I believe (but don't have any hard facts to prove this) that both Pro Tools and Cubase are more widely used than Sonar. They both have much longer development cycles than Sonar but counter that with higher prices so in my opinion, it wouldn't be such a bad idea if the following things happened:

1: Sonar X1 gets a few more maintenance releases after X1b to make it as solid as can reasonably be expected but also including an overhaul to the audio/sequencing engine to make it gapless and sample accurately sync in all it's views.

2: Sonar X2 be released October/November 2012 with a  few in-depth and well fleshed out new features properly quality controlled and beta tested.

But hey, I don't run Cakewalk so all I can do is hope...

UnderTow

I would be totally ok with this approach.

SteveStrummerUK


 
Who believes, like me, that X1b should have been the release version of X1?
 
And if so, should the release of X2 be postponed until March 2012?
 
Or should X2 still be released in Oct/Nov/Dec 2011?
 
Or should we get all the goodies X2 will doubtless contain at a reduced price in the autumn (fall)?
 

ba_midi

SteveStrummerUK


 
Who believes, like me, that X1b should have been the release version of X1?
 
And if so, should the release of X2 be postponed until March 2012?
 
Or should X2 still be released in Oct/Nov/Dec 2011?
 
Or should we get all the goodies X2 will doubtless contain at a reduced price in the autumn (fall)?
 

I think most (not all) would agree X1 was a rushed release.  But I'm not sure there's much benefit in dealing with the spilled milk at this point.

ba_midi

I'd rather encourage CW to get it right now and learn a lesson from all that's happened.
 
And, knowing how CW has been in the past, I DO think we'll see some goodies come down the pike - free - during the X1 lifecycle.   CW has often released point releases that could have been full releases on their own.  
 
So I think they will do the right thing, in the long run.  At least I hope so.

SilkTone

Keebo


Didn't X1 include the two sample projects Cori Yarckin and Lance Jones?

I remember looking at the included projects once and was disappointed to find out that none of them used any plugins. All the audio clips were bounced down to simple tracks that didn't contain a single plugin. I don't know why they did that. Most likely because they just didn't use the included plugins to begin with would be my guess.

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
]

SilkTone

Keebo


Didn't X1 include the two sample projects Cori Yarckin and Lance Jones?

I remember looking at the included projects once and was disappointed to find out that none of them used any plugins. All the audio clips were bounced down to simple tracks that didn't contain a single plugin. I don't know why they did that. Most likely because they just didn't use the included plugins to begin with would be my guess.

The Cori Yarckin Floating project uses lots of plugins - all from SONAR X1. The entire album in fact was mixed in SONAR using nothing but included plugins that come with Producer.