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X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box!
This is unbelievable.
I have had stability problems with x1d (Essentials) with very basic uncomplicated projects, I won't go into them here, so I upgraded to X2 Studio.
I7 (Gen2) quad core laptop with 8gb of ram. plenty good enough.
Roland VS-100 interface/control surface.
Roland RD 700 SX (I use the sounds on it as well as modest amount of softsynths.
The sounds coming from the TTS1 are weird nothing like the instruments they are supposed to be.
sound like a distorted analogue synth. not strings or piano etc.
This is Cakewalks own product, should work out of the box.
Just installed today. I am over this app (never could get x1 to work with any stability) but unfortunately I am commited.
Please help me.
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 02:20:16
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Well where can we start?
What are your buffer and latency settings? What's your sound card?
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 03:12:09
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How have you inserted TTS-1? It should work out of the box if the settings are right. Are your other soft synths working ok? According to what I've read here on the forum, X2 is not going to bring more stability, as there are many
things people are still struggling with, but many of the teething problems of X1 are fixed.
Your gear looks fine, but the buffers, latency settings and drivers must be right in order get things running.
What driver mode are you using. Have you checked that ONLY Roland/it's drivers is selected as your audio gear and card in Preferences?
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 05:58:21
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My Sound Card is already stated in original post. It is not a Latency Buffer issue. Mooch4056
Well where can we start?
What are your buffer and latency settings? What's your sound card?
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 06:07:29
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Set your sample rate to 44.1khz.
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 06:19:15
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many of the teething problems of X1 are fixed Not some of the issues that confronted me (but they are not relevant here) Kalle Rantaaho
How have you inserted TTS-1? It should work out of the box if the settings are right. Are your other soft synths working ok? According to what I've read here on the forum, X2 is not going to bring more stability, as there are many
things people are still struggling with, but many of the teething problems of X1 are fixed.
Your gear looks fine, but the buffers, latency settings and drivers must be right in order get things running.
What driver mode are you using. Have you checked that ONLY Roland/it's drivers is selected as your audio gear and card in Preferences?
I insert synths all the usual ways as I have in previous versions, simple instrument, with midi track and single or multiple outputs, or as a synth (audio) track only and then manually output midi tracks to the relevant synth, (and various other variations on these two themes. I have used soft synths successfully numerous times in previous versions including x1. All my Vsti synths work. It is the Dxi's that are a problem TTS1 inserts but has strange sound coming from it as though the digital to analogue conversion is corrupted, it sounds bizarre. Some of the Dxi synths won't load( for example to Pentagon 1) and an error message states they may not be properly installed. Yet as I already stated the VSTi's work fine and there are no latency issues. I had been using asio in the past and at first install with x2 but now wdm. both work for all but dxi synths (so far, have not had much time with it yet just installed a few hours ago) My Roland drivers are the latest from Roland for Win 7 64 for my VS-100 and they are the only ones selected. This issue was not present in X1 TTS1 and other dxi's worked. Thanks
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 06:58:40
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yawningjaws
Some of the Dxi synths won't load( for example to Pentagon 1) and an error message states they may not be properly installed. To solve this Pentagon issue you need to run Sonar as administrator. I think Phrygiann may have hit the nail on the head. I recall reading that TTS-1 does not like some sample rates.
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 07:24:52
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Actually I don't think the sample rate has anything to do with it. I have used TTS1 on various Sonar incarnations with anything from 44.1 48 and 96 without issue. (88.2 is the only one to stay away from according to Cakewalk Help) I think I have found the answer. All the dxi synths are 32bit and will not run in Sonar x64 only Sonar x32 The Vsti synths on the other hand some are 64bit some are 32bit and Cakewalk have enabled the 32bit ones to run in Sonar x64 using bitbridge. So to get the 32bit dxi synths to run I need a vst wrapper (or something along those lines). Is this correct thinking? Am I on the right track (Anyone who actually knows) Thanks
post edited by yawningjaws - 2013/05/28 08:15:54
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 07:44:53
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You might well be right with respect to the 32bit DXi synths needing a wrapper, I wouldn't know because I don't go near them. But TTS-1 works fine for me so it must be something to do with your setup...
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 08:01:22
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Actually, I'm talking crap. I just turned on my laptop (I'm at work atm) and I realise now that TTS-1 is a DXi.
I have a test project, created because I have recently upgraded to Windows 8 and I have inserted an instance of every synth I have, including the freebies, just to make sure everything is working okay. TTS-1 does work, though I will never use it.
Also, I didn't even install Pentagon this time round because, as great a synth as it is, and I do miss its vocoding capabilities, I got fed up with the Run as Admin trick.
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 08:04:26
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phrygiann
Set your sample rate to 44.1khz.
from Sonars own help documentation TTS-1 DXi does not support 88.2 kHz sample rate The Cakewalk TTS-1 soft synth supports 44.1 kHz, 48 kHz, and 96 kHz sample rates, but not 88.2 kHz. The audio engine will not engage if SONAR is configured to use a sample rate of 88.2 kHz while TTS-1 is loaded and connected.
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 08:05:39
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You must be running Sonar in 32bit mode and not 64bit as you stated tts1 is working From Sonars own help Documentation it is clear 32bit Dxi's are not supported in Sonar x64 So are you running in Sonar x32 bit mode? The following features are not supported in SONAR x64 at this time: ● ReWire support for 32-bit clients like Project 5 v2, Reason, and Fruity Loops. ● 32-bit DirectX plug-ins. ● DreamStation DXi2. ● MPEX time/pitch stretching. A 64-bit library is not available for the MPEX time/pitch stretching algorithm, so this feature is not supported in SONAR x64. Use iZotope Radius or SONAR's internal time/pitch stretching instead. ● Apple has yet to release QuickTime for Windows x64, so QuickTime import/export is not yet supported
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Actually, I'm talking crap. I just turned on my laptop (I'm at work atm) and I realise now that TTS-1 is a DXi.
I have a test project, created because I have recently upgraded to Windows 8 and I have inserted an instance of every synth I have, including the freebies, just to make sure everything is working okay. TTS-1 does work, though I will never use it.
Also, I didn't even install Pentagon this time round because, as great a synth as it is, and I do miss its vocoding capabilities, I got fed up with the Run as Admin trick.
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 08:19:48
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LOL, you really had me worried there dood haha.
I'm running Sonar X2 (X2a build 351) x64
That's 64bit.
Furthermore, I have just looked at the plugin properties in the plugin manager and TTS-1 is 64bit.
So, are you running 64bit?
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 08:33:33
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Yes I am running 64bit and if TTS is 64 bit and you are getting it working then it is back to the drawing board for me because, while it operates the sound is weird, like digital to analogue signal is corrupted in some way. it is not jittering or any of the other things associated with latency and buffer settings etc. Maybe I will record and example and post synkrotron
LOL, you really had me worried there dood haha.
I'm running Sonar X2 (X2a build 351) x64
That's 64bit.
Furthermore, I have just looked at the plugin properties in the plugin manager and TTS-1 is 64bit.
So, are you running 64bit?
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 08:41:18
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TTS-1 works fine in X1 and X2 64-bit.
Are you using ASIO driver mode? What bit depth and sample rate are you using? TTS-1 definitely works at 24 bit, 44.1KHz. Try those if you're not already using them.
Is the RD700 your audio interface? If so, make sure you don't have any other audio interfaces selected in Preferences-Audio.
My guess is you're sending MIDI to the RD700 and its not set in General MIDI mode and that's why the voices aren't correct. Set the output of the MIDI track to the TTS-1.
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 09:24:09
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No offence intended, but I do think you need to read the thread more carefully. Much of what you ask is already covered and your guess is right off the mark, it is not an incorrect voice issue. the signal is corrupted in some way (though new to the forum I am not new to basic daw setup and have used previous versions of Sonar including X1) Output is going to the TTS1 of course. I have use this instrument plenty in previous versions with no issue. daveny5
TTS-1 works fine in X1 and X2 64-bit.
Are you using ASIO driver mode? What bit depth and sample rate are you using? TTS-1 definitely works at 24 bit, 44.1KHz. Try those if you're not already using them.
Is the RD700 your audio interface? If so, make sure you don't have any other audio interfaces selected in Preferences-Audio.
My guess is you're sending MIDI to the RD700 and its not set in General MIDI mode and that's why the voices aren't correct. Set the output of the MIDI track to the TTS-1.
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 10:13:04
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Actually, I'm talking crap. I just turned on my laptop (I'm at work atm) and I realise now that TTS-1 is a DXi.
I have a test project, created because I have recently upgraded to Windows 8 and I have inserted an instance of every synth I have, including the freebies, just to make sure everything is working okay. TTS-1 does work, though I will never use it.
Also, I didn't even install Pentagon this time round because, as great a synth as it is, and I do miss its vocoding capabilities, I got fed up with the Run as Admin trick.
Hi - If you were having to right-click on the icon and then tell it to run as admin, that would certainly become a giant PITA. If you right-click on the icon and click on Properties, then on Advanced, you will see a check box that if checked will ALWAYS have Sonar run as administrator, once you OK your way back out of Properties after checking that Run as Admin box. That way, every time Sonar runs, it will be as admin, and you will no longer have to worry about it. (giving you back the cool stuff from Pentagon). I hope that helps. To yawningjaws: I believe something in the way things are set up is causing these problems for you, as TTS-1 works for the other poster in this thread, and it works for me as well. (I use it to quickly get imported midi files from the web up and running with voices, to hear the quality of the midi sequencing in the files). In addition, there just aren't any posts about these kinds of issues with TTS-1 in the forum. SOOOO, let's figure out how this is happening on your system. Please do provide specs on your system (see my signature or others for examples - this helps us get an image of your system in analyzing issues for you). Additionally, please detail the precise steps you are using in a project that this happens with. I would ask that you start with a new project with no plugins and no other audio tracks other than is required for sound routing for TTS-1 (or simple instrument track, your choice). Thanks - I am quite sorry for the frustration you are feeling with this, I am sure this sort of thing would drive me batty too. I think that we WILL be able to figure this out, between us all, so please hang in there and bear with us asking things that may be off the mark or seem silly - we are trying to help and trying to get up to speed on the particulars of your issue - so we have some challenges in both of those things. Bob Bone
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 10:26:04
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Since we don't know what sample rate is being used, we have to assume that everyone knows TTS-1 must be configured properly to work at sample rates higher than 44.1. Of course, there is no config for 88.2.
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 10:34:14
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OK, but you didn't answer my questions which are important.
ASIO mode?
Bit depth and sample rate?
Without this info, we're all just guessing.
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 10:39:39
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Tried to do some testing. It works fine out of the box at 44.1 on my laptop, a business tool totally not optimised for audio. Crappy onboard sound, ASIO for all. Unfortunatly its not up to testing higher sample rated. I do not have access to my DAW.
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 10:43:40
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I have used TTS1 on various Sonar incarnations with anything from 44.1 48 and 96 without issue. (88.2 is the only one to stay away from according to Cakewalk Help) Have tested with asio and wdm at 24 bit depth and sample rates of 44.1,48 and 96. vsti synths work dxi don't. audio recording and playback works fine. midi keyboard works fine when used for hardware midi play back and record. All sample rates mentioned above and bit depth worked on x1 and x2a for all but dxi synths
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 11:26:00
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Some DXi's do work using Windows 7 or 8 64-bit, i.e., TTS-1, Cyclone, Groove Player, Pentagon I and Roland Groove Synth (although you may not have all of those). Pentagon requires you to run Sonar as Administrator or it will give you an error.
You may want to try reinstalling TTS-1. DXi's have to be installed as opposed to VSTs which are scanned.
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 11:37:02
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The sounds coming from the TTS1 are weird nothing like the instruments they are supposed to be. sound like a distorted analogue synth. not strings or piano etc. For me the issue is knowing what are you hearing. Maybe you could post a link to an audio file because what you describe above and what that description means to me well TTS-1 sounds like that to me all the time.
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 12:15:33
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Ever since X2 TTS-1 has been very prone to crashing for me. If I change multiple tracks to point to it is usually crashes.
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 12:33:12
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Ever since X2 TTS-1 has been very prone to crashing for me. If I change multiple tracks to point to it is usually crashes. Then you have some other issue, because I use TTS-1 with many tracks and it never crashes on me. Run a memory test or maybe your soundcard's drivers need updating.
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 12:37:38
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yawning jaws:
Try opening a new project in Sonar, insert the TTS-1 into the synthrack. On the TTS-1 interface, click on the button with the eighth note at the bottom of the track strip. Do you hear the piano sound? That should rule out a few things.
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 12:45:39
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box - 10 mins. ago ( #25 ) Ever since X2 TTS-1 has been very prone to crashing for me. If I change multiple tracks to point to it is usually crashes. Then you have some other issue, because I use TTS-1 daveny5
Ever since X2 TTS-1 has been very prone to crashing for me. If I change multiple tracks to point to it is usually crashes.
Then you have some other issue, because I use TTS-1 with many tracks and it never crashes on me. Run a memory test or maybe your soundcard's drivers need updating.
My drivers do not need updating and a memory problem would not consistently cause a specific issue with only one app.
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 13:05:56
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My drivers do not need updating and a memory problem would not consistently cause a specific issue with only one app. OK. Well, I hope you figure it out.
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 18:00:23
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daveny5
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Try opening a new project in Sonar, insert the TTS-1 into the synthrack. On the TTS-1 interface, click on the button with the eighth note at the bottom of the track strip. Do you hear the piano sound? That should rule out a few things.
I have done this and the sound I get is the same. I tried recording a simple c major scale one octave with piano to export and show what this sounds like and something interesting happened. I froze the synth, selected the synth track, exported to mp3 and the piano came out sounding normal in the exported mp3 but is still weird and all distorted inside Sonar. What the? I will try and install tts1 again as you mentioned.
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Re:X2 64bit TTS1 Synth not working out of the box
2013/05/28 18:23:47
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Problem Sorted. Not sure of the exact reason for this, but a combo of actions.
Went back to Asio Driver from WDM (though Asio did not work earlier.
Sample rate 48k and Bit Depth 24
Now I am certain I had already tried these settings as a switch between 48 and 96 / 24 bit and have done so in previous versions always with not issue. (I have used 44.1 also)
I went to do a reinstall in TTS1 so started the install process of X2 but aborted the bin extraction process just as it was starting because I did not want to spend the time at that moment.
Went back into app and reset the driver to Asio and the above settings were already set.
And hey presto.
Hmmm! Not sure what happened there.
Anyway before I jump up and down for happiness I will be testing through the day a little, to make sure it is stable.
I will try the other DXi synths.
thank you everyone for your input.
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