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X2 still has lost features from 8.5
I'm surprised that with X2 there is still no display of the record mode you're in. In every version since the DOS days, there has been a display (even on the transport) of the record mode: sound on sound, overwrite, or autopunch. Autopunch is diplayed but not sound on sound. The only way you can see what mode you're in or even change modes is to open the preference window. Yet with that window open you can't be playing back or recording, you must be stopped. A friend of mine installed X2 and said that this feature is still lost. I doubt if he's wrong, yet if he is, please let me know. From my thinking if I were programming an application, I'd consider it a rule to never lose any features, but only to add new ones. This makes me question whether Cakewalk has a commitment to old customers and whether they'll lose other features in the future. I've used every version since 1992 and for the first time am considering another program before buying X2. I'm still using 8.53, since X1 had some other stability issues in addition to lost features. Any other lost features?
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 02:05:22
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One thing that I don't know why it was not included there is no method I can find to globally select MIDI track out puts. It was possible in older versions before X1. With X1 and X2 only audio tracks can be globally sent to an output by holding ctrl and then select the out. This method has no effect with MIDI tracks.
In 8.5 and older you needed to select all and than select the MIDI port or synth you wanted them all to go to. Of course you could select a range of MIDI tracks too.
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 09:23:24
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 10:31:40
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One thing that I don't know why it was not included there is no method I can find to globally select MIDI track out puts. It was possible in older versions before X1. With X1 and X2 only audio tracks can be globally sent to an output by holding ctrl and then select the out. This method has no effect with MIDI tracks.
In 8.5 and older you needed to select all and than select the MIDI port or synth you wanted them all to go to. Of course you could select a range of MIDI tracks too.
Are you sure John? It's working here on MIDI tracks and Audio tracks. IIRC there was a bug in one of the early X1's that stopped it working correctly from the inspector but that was fixed in X1c or d. It's working okay here in X2 as well.
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 10:36:32
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John
One thing that I don't know why it was not included there is no method I can find to globally select MIDI track out puts. It was possible in older versions before X1. With X1 and X2 only audio tracks can be globally sent to an output by holding ctrl and then select the out. This method has no effect with MIDI tracks.
In 8.5 and older you needed to select all and than select the MIDI port or synth you wanted them all to go to. Of course you could select a range of MIDI tracks too.
Are you sure John? It's working here on MIDI tracks and Audio tracks. IIRC there was a bug in one of the early X1's that stopped it working correctly from the inspector but that was fixed in X1c or d. It's working okay here in X2 as well.
It’s working here on both audio and midi tracks also. I’m using X1d.
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 10:54:59
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John
One thing that I don't know why it was not included there is no method I can find to globally select MIDI track out puts. It was possible in older versions before X1. With X1 and X2 only audio tracks can be globally sent to an output by holding ctrl and then select the out. This method has no effect with MIDI tracks.
In 8.5 and older you needed to select all and than select the MIDI port or synth you wanted them all to go to. Of course you could select a range of MIDI tracks too.
Are you sure John? It's working here on MIDI tracks and Audio tracks. IIRC there was a bug in one of the early X1's that stopped it working correctly from the inspector but that was fixed in X1c or d. It's working okay here in X2 as well.
I think it was about selecting the Track options from the menu. IIRC I couldn't find out how to do it that way in the X1 demo, but there was another way to route them wholesale that I can't recall now. I think it must have been a context menu on the inspector rather than from the main menu as before. So what is the method for selecting bulk Track options now?
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 11:16:37
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So what is the method for selecting bulk Track options now? Select required tracks, hold ctrl key and change option. Works on just about everything from track controls through to inserting and deleting PC modules, even loading good ol' presets.
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 11:33:26
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Thanks, Alex. I just added it to the feature requests. This issue was brought up numerous times in the forum after X1 came out. I hope that this is simply an oversight and not deliberate. I know they don't have some of the old programmers, who definitely thought things like this were very important. Important enough to add them to the transport even.
I was dismayed that the new programmers looked at 8.5 as a bunch of clutter to remove and got rid of all sorts of features. I know they've added some of those features back after a loud chorus of complaints. The way I use 8.5 it's very steamlined with no clutter. I've hidden any tools or icons I don't use often. Personally I think X1 would have been better to simply hide the tons of icons instead of eliminating them and then leaving it up to the users to customize the interface by adding important ones back in.
Does X2 have any customization? There were certainly a lot of things I would have liked to remove in X1. It's important to acknowledge that people use this program in widely different ways. Each having unique needs that can more efficiently be met with customization.
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 11:38:54
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So what is the method for selecting bulk Track options now?
Select required tracks, hold ctrl key and change option. Works on just about everything from track controls through to inserting and deleting PC modules, even loading good ol' presets.
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 12:01:46
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It does not work for MIDI tracks for me. It does work for audio tracks.
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 12:08:02
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It does not work for MIDI tracks for me. It does work for audio tracks.
Strange... some sort of install issue maybe? I've just checked again and it definitely works here.
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 12:22:05
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Are we talking about the same thing? I am referring to MIDI track outputs going to ports. It didn't do it in X1 either.
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 12:33:58
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I think so. I'm talking about the MIDI output port drop down. Works like all the other quick grouping here.
I've just tried it on my laptop that doesn't have any MIDI devices attached so I inserted a couple of drum maps and used them as virtual ports.
I know it works on my main DAW as I was swapping all my drum tracks this morning between a couple of hardware units and session drummer while experimenting with sounds.
Worked in X1 for me as well but as I mentioned earlier there was a bug that stopped it working form the inspector but that was fixed in X1 at C or D.
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 12:37:29
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It has never worked for me under X1 and now X2. Its one of the first things I check with new versions. I need this ability.
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 13:06:14
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That is strange..... I wonder if it affects others. It's not something I've seen complained about much. I just assumed it was working for everyone. Just to be sure we're talking about the same thing here's a quick video As you'll see no MIDI ports proper just drum map ports but there's no difference in behaviour either way.
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 13:11:01
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Whats with the quick groups???
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 13:25:31
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I thought that's what we were talking about - quick grouping.  Select tracks, hold ctrl key down change parameter, output etc.... works on everything just about, including MIDI outs....
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 14:14:47
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Yes. Lost working space with ridiculously oversized icons, oversized borders etc. Everything could be half the size.
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 14:46:29
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You can make the track icons smaller. For me the UI layout is just fine, and you can customize it and/or buy a bigger/secondary monitor or change your screen resolution. Halving the size of everything would make it completely unusable - at least for me ;).
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 15:34:14
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Halving the size of everything would make it completely unusable - at least for me ;). I have to agree.... I can only do so much squinting at small icons before my eyes start to hurt. I'll take a few less tracks on-screen at one time over not being able to clearly see the icons I need. I'll also take a customizable module in the Control Bar, thanks. 
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 15:41:35
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I thought that's what we were talking about - quick grouping. Select tracks, hold ctrl key down change parameter, output etc.... works on everything just about, including MIDI outs....
No, global control. I'm talking about changing all the outs at the same time. It works for audio.
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 15:42:28
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To change the MIDI output on multiple tracks at the same time just select all tracks and hold down CTRL while changing the output port. This works on all versions since X1. I believe it even worked in 8.5 via the old quick grouping mechanism.
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 15:50:00
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Any acknowledgement on the original post Noel? Thanks Alex
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 15:56:40
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It doesn't work with the inspector. Further I don't need to select all in order to do this with audio. Using ctrl is all that is needed.
Just in, now it is working from the Inspector. This has been bugging for some time.
It must be Noel that had something to do with this because it wasn't do it before.
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/25 21:33:43
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To change the MIDI output on multiple tracks at the same time just select all tracks and hold down CTRL while changing the output port. This works on all versions since X1. I believe it even worked in 8.5 via the old quick grouping mechanism.
Thanks for responding Noel. Can you let us know if displaying Sound on Sound will be added back in as a feature? Thanks,
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/26 02:04:40
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It doesn't work with the inspector. Further I don't need to select all in order to do this with audio. Using ctrl is all that is needed.
Just in, now it is working from the Inspector. This has been bugging for some time.
It must be Noel that had something to do with this because it wasn't do it before.
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I thought that's what we were talking about - quick grouping. Select tracks, hold ctrl key down change parameter, output etc.... works on everything just about, including MIDI outs....
No, global control. I'm talking about changing all the outs at the same time. It works for audio.
Yes that's what I'm talking about. It's known as quick grouping. Hold the ctrl key down change parameter, any parameter or load a PC preset and it will make that change across all selected tracks. If there is no selection it works across all tracks as if they are selected. MIDI outs definitely all change here. In the video I linked earlier if I hadn't made a selection all the MIDI tracks in the entire project would have changed outs. The parameter does have to be compatible with the type of track though. You can't select the out of an audio track and change a MIDI out for example. I'm not sure why you're seeing what you're seeing but it definitely works here regardless of where you make the change. TV, CV, or Inspector. Or what selection there is, select two tracks or select none, makes no difference it works as expected. As I said earlier there was a bug in early X1 that stopped it working from the inspector but that was fixed a while back.
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/26 02:37:08
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It doesn't work with the inspector. Further I don't need to select all in order to do this with audio. Using ctrl is all that is needed.
Just in, now it is working from the Inspector. This has been bugging for some time.
It must be Noel that had something to do with this because it wasn't do it before.
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I thought that's what we were talking about - quick grouping. Select tracks, hold ctrl key down change parameter, output etc.... works on everything just about, including MIDI outs....
No, global control. I'm talking about changing all the outs at the same time. It works for audio.
Yes that's what I'm talking about. It's known as quick grouping. Hold the ctrl key down change parameter, any parameter or load a PC preset and it will make that change across all selected tracks. If there is no selection it works across all tracks as if they are selected. MIDI outs definitely all change here. In the video I linked earlier if I hadn't made a selection all the MIDI tracks in the entire project would have changed outs.
The parameter does have to be compatible with the type of track though. You can't select the out of an audio track and change a MIDI out for example.
I'm not sure why you're seeing what you're seeing but it definitely works here regardless of where you make the change. TV, CV, or Inspector. Or what selection there is, select two tracks or select none, makes no difference it works as expected. As I said earlier there was a bug in early X1 that stopped it working from the inspector but that was fixed a while back.
They changed the term for X1/X2. I don't think of this process as quick groups. I also think it shouldn't be. Simply holding the ctrl key is a very temporary thing, an instant really to manipulate all parameters of the same type. CW came up with that term for lack of a better one I think. In Cubase its not a grouping. Its simply global. Holding the ctrl key does the same thing in Cubase. However you are correct in your use of the term. Now as to this problem its not working. It will work if I use the widget in the track header. But I don't want to do that. It will work in the track inspector but only after its been done in the header first. This is no help to me.
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/26 02:47:18
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They changed the term for X1/X2. I don't think of this process as quick groups. I also think it shouldn't be. Simply holding the ctrl key is a very temporary thing, an instant really to manipulate all parameters of the same type. CW came up with that term for lack of a better one I think.
In Cubase its not a grouping. Its simply global. Holding the ctrl key does the same thing in Cubase. However you are correct in your use of the term.
Now as to this problem its not working. It will work if I use the widget in the track header. But I don't want to do that. It will work in the track inspector but only after its been done in the header first. This is no help to me.
Interesting. Works under all circumstances I can think of here... If you try it in the "16 Channel MIDI" template we ship with, does it still not work from the inspector initially?
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/26 03:01:04
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Also, regarding the original post: Would it be sufficient to include the recording mode state in the "Punch Module"? It lived there in 8.5's Large Transport.
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Re:X2 still has lost features from 8.5
2012/09/26 03:01:50
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Darn it Bill it works perfectly in the template. But I often open MIDI files directly.
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