Right on. I would like to add though that an A La Carte approach may not be such a bad idea from a revenue flow standpoint. Quite a few have expressed similar needs/wants as I have and it could be a way to keep some money flowing in between cycles. We are obviously all different in what we already own and our goals with the product.
 
Just a thought. Back to my session now. Cheers.

Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]
 
 
Slippery slope. What you are asking is to start building custom versions. And what you want will be different than what another customer wants. And pretty soon we have 30 different flavors. We have to try and offer as much value as we can at each price point. We know some people will own 1 or 2 things but seriously start adding up the value and you'll see that $150 is a bargain. And if you have all the plugins, you can go to Studio which is also a great value. 
 
We still have some of the most affordable upgrades in the industry. We stand by our pricing and think we put together a package that is fair for all. There are a lot of options and the fact that we put ProChannel in Studio offers the $99 price point still for those that just want the features and Melodyne (and Blue Tubes).

There may be valid criticisms of X3 or Cakewalk but pricing is absolutely not one of them.  The price is far more than fair when compared to the industry as a whole.  Whining about the these prices for that much power and function should be embarrassing.

vintagevibe
There may be valid criticisms of X3 or Cakewalk but pricing is absolutely not one of them.  The price is far more than fair when compared to the industry as a whole.  Whining about the these prices for that much power and function should be embarrassing.

Uh... I've already paid a significant hunk of money and the legit competitors are pretty much on par with Cake prices if you strip out all the extra plugs. I'm asking to PAY for what would amount to a patch on what I have.

royarn
I think the price for studio is fair. but for those recently scorched by X2A that like me was hoping that X2a would have done me nicely for a couple of years, losing the producer status for future updates is a bitter pill to swallow.
So I'm very much with Beepster on this, wobbling about on the fence trying to decide what to do.
 
Roy

Yeah, I seriously am trying very hard to stay positive here. My timing has apparently been very poor throughout all of this as I have somehow managed to pay the absolute maximum amount for my Sonar package that others have gotten for significantly less and only got to use the product for less than one month longer than those who purchased at a similar time.
 
Please don't kick me folks. I could be really losing my shiz but I'm attempting to remain polite and calm.

Agreed.
I just pulled up my store account. Earliest purchase on record is MP3 Encoder 6/13/2002. Since then I have purchased the following:
 
10/15/2012SONAR X2   Producer
3/28/2012ProChannel   Module - PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier
3/27/2012ProChannel   Module - PC2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier
1/19/2012ProChannel   Concrete Limiter
12/4/2011ProChannel   Module - PC4K S-Type Expander Gate
12/4/2011ProChannel   Module - PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor
12/4/2011SONAR   X1 Producer Expanded (Download)
12/8/2010SONAR   X1 Producer
9/15/2009SONAR   8.5 Producer
10/3/2008SONAR   8 Producer
9/20/2007SONAR   7 Producer
9/26/2006SONAR   6 Producer
8/2/2006SONAR   5 Producer
6/20/2005SONAR   4 Producer
9/30/2003SONAR   3 Producer
6/26/2002SONAR   2 XL
 
I don't think you can call me cheap, or someone that "doesn't get" the value of Cakewalk. :)
 
I've never complained of value before, and I certainly have no problem purchasing or supporting Cakewalk. However, with the lack of X2 patch that would let me actually use it (I NEVER could), combined with most of the Producer value wrapped up in plug-ins I don't need - I am not comfortable with the value presented today.
 
I submit that if Cakewalk is getting a lot of questions about cross-grading from Producer to Studio wihtout losing Pro-Channel modules, that a lot of people are questioning the value of this update...

stevec

bapu
stevec & beepster
 
two words
 
Loan Shark

Huh... I hadn't considered that.    Should I just tell them "yo, Bapu sent me.  He said you give me da money and ya just fugetabout it, a-hight"?   Sounds reasonable.
 

tell them Bapu sent you??
 
what do you wanna get beat up  

Cubase 7 upgrade: 
       6.5 to 7  =  $149.99
       6.0 to 7 =   $199.99
       4/5 to 7  =   $299.99
 
Apple Logic upgrade:  n/a  -  everyone pays $200.00
 
Sonar's price is more than fair.

vintagevibe

Beepster

vintagevibe
Cubase 7 upgrade: 
       6.5 to 7  =  $149.99
       6.0 to 7 =   $199.99
       4/5 to 7  =   $299.99
 
Apple Logic upgrade:  n/a  -  everyone pays $200.00
 
Sonar's price is more than fair.

Right. And how many refinements were made to those programs between versions? From what I've seen/heard of C7 they did a LOT. What we have here is a patch, a couple interface improvements (to fix things that were seemingly rushed last time) and a bunch of sims. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure many will get their money's worth out of this bundle but I don't need a bundle. I need a patch.
 
 

A) Cubase charges for .5 releases.   
B) It's unreasonable to say "What we have here is a patch, a couple interface improvements" when they added ARA/Melodyne and VST3.  Those are seriously under the hood upgrades.

 Thank you. As is comping. And SONAR X3 is very stable.

Well I can see where this is heading. The point is I have lost my trust in Cake. I'm glad ya'll are happy and I sincerely hope you stay that way. I am not. If that makes me a "whiner" so be it.
 
You might as well go and delete this thread because it's starting to go down the crapper and I certainly did not want that.

tecknot

sharke

cparmerleeHowever, if anybody is looking for a rationalization or two, this is less money than going to Starbucks 2 or 3 times a month for the next year.  

Heh. Giving up smoking is another way... 

I guess I can give up bottled water.  Who needs clean, pricey water anyway?  Just think how quickly a dollar a bottle adds up.

I gave up smoking 7 months ago so I could have more money to spend on music gear.

So far I have 3 new handbags, a selection of shoes, a dress or two and a new leather couch.

Uh... this thread was originally posted the day of release and was dead and forgotten. I did not ask Andrew or any other Bakers to come in here nor did they need to. It was appreciated and I thanked him. In the past week it has been insinuated that I am many negative things and even had a Baker check my account to make sure I was actually a customer because the forum is filled with "pirates" as well as malcontents and trolls. I have always been pretty chill when expressing my concerns. Now I'm being called "cheap" and a "whiner". Well I've dropped thousands of dollars this past year and a half getting this studio running which is a STUNNING feat for someone who has literally next to nothing. I'm not cheap I'm freaking BROKE! I do not go out and enjoy such luxuries as starbucks or dine out or go to the bar or bottled water or new clothes. I eat once, maybe twice a day and it is all cheap ass groceries bought on special and prepared at home. I do all this so I can do the things I need to do to make some freaking money again.
 
So am I cheap? Am I troll? Am I pirate? Believe whatever you want but I have put everything I got into this and I keep getting asked for more.
 
And the hilarious part? I'm actually CONSIDERING it!
 
Now kindly keep your personal observations to yourselves. Thank you.

Beep I hope my post didn't upset you. That was not my intention. I know where you are coming from and there is no problem from me about it. 

@John... Your post didn't bother me at all. You weren't condescending or rude. You know I can handle most discussions as long as they remain civil. Cheers.

Beepster
Uh... I've already paid a significant hunk of money and the legit competitors are pretty much on par with Cake prices if you strip out all the extra plugs. I'm asking to PAY for what would amount to a patch on what I have.

Since it looks like x4 will be coming out next september, I think I can afford to wait till they do the "get the X3 upgrade for cheap" routine, right before X4.  That way I keep my Producer status and get my X2 bugs fixed (hopefully).
 
In the meantime a lot of beta testers will be working towards the X3a patch and I'd just as well leave that to them.
 
I'll be interested in seeing what happens to prices, now that Gibson is at the wheel...