declan
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/06/28 17:06:14
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Well. CW has been dead to me now for 9 months, and they're the only company I've ever felt that way about, but...
Z3ta2 did get my attention. It's a great synth, but I had other stuff that was just easier to use yet I did use it as a guitar effect on a song I dearly love and I thought hmm...
I saw the posts about people thinking SD3 needs attention and I'm out of that one, but amongst their other "synths" Z3ta is clearly the most popular, but IMO and from what I've read it's not their "best tech in the hunt".
As cool as it is, almost everyone thinks there's something better and easier to use out there. DimPro has so many competeitors and it's still underrated.
But Rapture is the one that apparently perks ears up, and it was rumored a couple of years ago that "2" was coming. If you don't have the Korg Legacy (rather clumsy unless you're old-school) you have to sweat bricks to get certain sounds that are just there in Rapture.
CW mystifies me these days, but I think they misnamed and mis-marketed Rapture as a dance synth or retro-leaning instrument.
Yesterday, I swear, I heard a "sketch" of a pschedelic rock song at a freind's house, and I knew I was hearing Omnisphere, so I asked him how he got that sound (and please send me the patch!) and he said he tweaked for about 30 minutes.
I told him that sound was already there in Rapture, and he just said Rapture's a PITA.
I'm out of touch what CW users want/need most now, but I think all of us can agree that just the title of Rapture2 will get a chuckle. A very sweet synth though.
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/06/28 20:27:39
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declan to be fair I don't think omnisphere or rapture are like for like.. for a start omni is a LOT more money... I will say at this point I don't own it, but have heard others say they use a lot of spectrasonic stuff. I see people post on here they don't know about the extra presets folks have made , including the great free ones e.g. muz3um . the weak side of rapture for me is the browser (it doesn't intergrate with kore 2 ) .. but if thats the weak point , in comparision to the rest of it.. thats nothing in the greater scheme of things. does your friend use / know the way around rapture though ? it's been said by others, they don't know of say rapture or that there is a mac version.. BUT the people who said it.. it's to their advantage = less people using it what sort of music you make has an impact.. much as folk will go on about fenders / gibsons etc .. to me synths are important .. and to them guitars are. the past track record of synths is good.. but now it's a very competitive market / far more soft synth makers
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/06/28 20:35:42
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anyone who compares rapture to omnisphere has obviously never used omnisphere....
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/06/28 21:05:58
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I wonder if they will ever tune Dim Pro.
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/06/28 21:08:21
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declan
Well. CW has been dead to me now for 9 months, and they're the only company I've ever felt that way about, but...
Z3ta2 did get my attention. It's a great synth, but I had other stuff that was just easier to use yet I did use it as a guitar effect on a song I dearly love and I thought hmm...
I saw the posts about people thinking SD3 needs attention and I'm out of that one, but amongst their other "synths" Z3ta is clearly the most popular, but IMO and from what I've read it's not their "best tech in the hunt".
As cool as it is, almost everyone thinks there's something better and easier to use out there. DimPro has so many competeitors and it's still underrated.
But Rapture is the one that apparently perks ears up, and it was rumored a couple of years ago that "2" was coming. If you don't have the Korg Legacy (rather clumsy unless you're old-school) you have to sweat bricks to get certain sounds that are just there in Rapture.
CW mystifies me these days, but I think they misnamed and mis-marketed Rapture as a dance synth or retro-leaning instrument.
Yesterday, I swear, I heard a "sketch" of a pschedelic rock song at a freind's house, and I knew I was hearing Omnisphere, so I asked him how he got that sound (and please send me the patch!) and he said he tweaked for about 30 minutes.
I told him that sound was already there in Rapture, and he just said Rapture's a PITA.
I'm out of touch what CW users want/need most now, but I think all of us can agree that just the title of Rapture2 will get a chuckle. A very sweet synth though.
Declan, Why have we been dead to you for the last nine months? Is it something we did? Maybe there is some way I can help. Feel free to PM me. SP
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/06/28 21:19:57
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How do you use z3ta+ as a guitar effect? Are you just using the effects in z3ta?
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/06/28 21:50:39
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Better not be more than $19.99 for customers who already have Z3TA+
I won't pay more than that when that is what they are offering for those who don't have it yet.
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/06/28 21:53:04
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It's 19..99 for the original not the new version
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/06/29 01:18:03
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sykodelic
It's 19..99 for the original not the new version
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/06/29 03:04:19
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Z3TA+ was one of my first two purchased softsynths (along with Rob Papen's Albino) back in 2002. The Vintage waveforms are outstanding, and the ability to sweeten/distort/mangle the sound by waveshaping makes Z3TA+ the most FUN synth in my virtual rack. Other posts have used the word "delightful" to describe the news of the upgrade, and I thoroughly agree. Delight was my reaction as well. If by "deeper editing controls," the V2 specifications include waveshaping control via envelope, then Z3TA+ could become a SERIOUS lead synth in my arsenal. The lack of programmatic control of the waveshaping dynamics in version 1 pushed me toward Zebra, an equally great-sounding softsynth. But the Z3TA+ UI is supremely thought-out - so much control and sound in so little space, that this one feature could elevate it to a top contender. I'll scoop V2 as quickly as I did V1. Edit: I should add that I like the Vintage waveforms so much, that I sampled them to use as my 16-bit digital User waveforms in my DSI Evolvers, where I use them as suboscillators. So in some ways, Z3TA+ is in my hardware rack as well.
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/06/29 06:49:36
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Did someone mention Rapture? I have one complaint about that one... Why didn't I upgrade to the full version sooner??!! Stupid me... Regarding z3ta+2, the GUI image of it here looks pretty kick ass to me. Maybe it will have me turn to the mighty z3ta+ sound again. I seriously love that synth and really have no idea why I haven't used it for so long.
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/06/29 07:34:09
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declan
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/06/29 10:59:34
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Lol, I'm Spectrasonic-centric. and how was I comparing Omnisphere to Rapture? I just said that I laughed when I heard this one patch, made by my friend (fellow Sonar user), and I said he probably could have gotten that sound quicker with Rapture.
I found that funny because Omnisphere, amongst other things, is the easiest synth to use I've ever used, but all synths have certain natures.
Even as a fanboy, I don't see/hear how other synths don't have their niche for certain sounds. Z3ta & Rapture shouldn't be just space on your hard drive - and I don't care what you have.
I'm not trying to be a jerk here, and I know how the mention of Omnisphere just makes everyone crazy, but Eric Persing has never said "this is all you need" or even "this synth is the best".
I only posted here because I know how much CW has gotten right in 15 years and Z3ta is very popular for very good reasons.
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declan
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/06/29 11:24:19
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@maximumpower Just record your guitar tracks as you would normally, then copy it to a new track and add Z3ta to the fx bin and find parts/patches that are interesting. Then tweak to hell :-). @ProjectM Same here. Rapture is distinctive to me, and so many I know dismissed it as a CW add-on. That's the danger of all this LE stuff - you lose people's attention quite quickly. @timidi I read about the DMinPro tuning issues before I ran into them. Let's just assume I'm a big Lou Reed fan :-).
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/06/29 12:40:23
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@declan
Thanks! I will give it a go. Doing this would never have occurred to me.
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/06/29 13:13:58
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(taking my Cakewalk hat off here)
Both Z3TA and Rapture are two of my all-time favorite synths - and I have a pretty good collection. They both have a character and sometimes an aggressiveness that I find unique and that sits so well in a mix. Z3TA is a monster to this day. Z3TA may "come with" SONAR but it's still a very premium synth IMO with its own "thing". It's just so useful.
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/06/29 13:48:27
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maximumpower
How do you use z3ta+ as a guitar effect? Are you just using the effects in z3ta?
Thanks
you insert it as an audio effect.. you'll see when you scroll thru your audio fx it'll be listed as "z3ta fx" or something similar.
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declan
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/06/29 16:08:19
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(taking my Cakewalk hat off here)
Both Z3TA and Rapture are two of my all-time favorite synths - and I have a pretty good collection. They both have a character and sometimes an aggressiveness that I find unique and that sits so well in a mix. Z3TA is a monster to this day. Z3TA may "come with" SONAR but it's still a very premium synth IMO with its own "thing". It's just so useful.
(taking off my self-imposed exiled hat here) You're just telling the truth here. I forget who here is determined to stay within CW forever, but I understand and appreciate where his sense of sound comes from. I laugh at my friends when they say "this is better and it's what I use" because I either have it, or demoed it to death. And yeah, I can name other synths that I think are "better" than Z3TA & Rapture, but I really can't fathom why they're not used for certain sounds. That's what brought me back here.
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/07/02 06:29:35
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I didn't see anything about a modern preset manager/browser/search system like what we now see in Spectrasonics and Native-Instrument products. That was really the only thing that I didn't like about Z3TA+. In terms of sound and features, it's always been one of my favorites.
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/07/02 08:34:08
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one point.. Its seems everyone is loving the idea of a new make over for z8ta.. Rapture le comes with the producers edition and bascily the Le version dose nothing for me, too little patches and not enough tweaking.. That might not be said about the full version.. But this is where my point comes in. I know nothing about Rapture the full version and all the video's I can find seems like they were filmed in the 60's . And for $50.00 I know nothing about it .If there was some sort of clear to the point video about it showcasing its features then I would spend the $50.00 , if it was $20.00 then I would upgrade without thinking twice , But to shell out $50.00 even though its on sale , I know nothing about it or its features, and as I said the Le is pretty lame..
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/07/02 08:42:30
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Hey djjhart I actually thought about Rapture in pretty much the same way. I used some sounds of it, but it was pretty much just a preset thing for me. And it sounded great for that. But I upgraded a few days ago and I'm completely blown away by it! But the reason for upgrading was simply that I had money to spend, it was dead cheap and I liked the sound of the LE version so I though, why not. And I'm glad I did. I'm just annoyed I didn't upgrade sooner  However, I've never though LE versions were any good. They're annoyingly limited and you get better and more versatile freebies out there so I tend to ignore them. And I agree aobut the videos of Rapture. Most of what I could find weren't very good. I'm sure they could market this thing much more aggressiveliy. "Filmed in the 60's" - priceless 
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/07/02 09:04:52
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Thanks Project M .. I hear only good things about Rapture from owners owing the full version. I think I used the Le 3 times since its release and thought it was a waste of space in my HD all 256 Megs of it. Still $50.00 and not being impressed at all by the le version, well Im reluctant to buy it. I'll wait for Z8ta cause I know what Im getting. Eventually one day I might pick up the full version when I know more about it and its feature set in a modern day video.
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/07/02 09:16:50
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Understandable. Not trying to convince you to take the plunge, just my 2 cent etc BTW: This video actually got me really interested in it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7xN2YcX68w z3ta+2 will be great and I can't wait to check it out. Who knows, maybe Cake offers a bundle for upgrading both
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/07/02 15:41:22
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Rapture is a good synth. LE, dont' use it, but it is a preset player, and Cake really ought to give it 1000 presets.
Very programmable, and includes a bunch of step sequencers instead of just lfo/envelopes, which is why it is called a techo synth I guess. But you can lag (or round off) the steps and make all kinds of funny, evolving patterns, not to mention import LFOs. It does come w/ a lot of presets, and there are lots of free ones, to, and many give a good starting place.
What I like about Rapt (and DimPro and to a lesser extent Z3TA) is the engine. I've been blasted for calling it "clean" since you can thicken it up by adding ocscillators to the sample, so maybe cutting is a better word. Rene's SFZ engine cuts through a mix, and makes a good counterbalance if you use real analog or VA's.
For $50 it is a steal, right up there with the no-brainers from Audio Midi. Buy it, add the free stuff from Patcharena.com and you have a first class synth that you will use, and can program the bejebbers out of, too, for the cost of a date night. Whcih will last you longer (no offense, honey)?
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/07/02 17:22:05
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My favorite soft synth just got better. One please.
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Re:Z3ta+ 2!!!!!!
2011/07/04 03:59:31
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