Zoom shortcut issue

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2013/12/21 10:50:24 (permalink)

Zoom shortcut issue

Could anybody please reproduce?
 
Firstly you need to turn on autozoom.


If I SHIFT+double-click a clip it is supposed to "Maximize track height":
http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation/default.aspx?Doc=SONAR%20X2&Lang=EN&Req=Introduction.24.html
 
For me it just shows the track on its own but does not fill the screen as advertised.
 
I'm not sure why autozoom should interfere. Can people confirm the behaviour?

Thanks

Alex
 
post edited by CakeAlexS - 2013/12/21 15:03:07

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    stevec
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    Re: Zoom shortcut issue 2013/12/21 15:05:08 (permalink)
    AFAIK, track height zoom behavior should change when AutoZoom is enabled.   The in-focus track (AutoZoomed) is supposed to use its current height, as will the next track when it's selected, and so on.  Meanwhile, all other tracks use whatever the current non-AutoZoom track height it.   Attempting to maxiize by using a clip in another track would conflict with that behavior.
     
    I'm guessing without AutoZoom enabled it does what you were expecting?
     

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    Re: Zoom shortcut issue 2013/12/21 15:08:14 (permalink)
    When AutoZoom is enabled, the double click to maximize doesn't work. It hasn't since they introduced AutoZoom.
     
    To maximize the track height, turn off AutoZoom and double click the track.
     
    I believe the help document you link to was created prior to AutoZoom.

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    Re: Zoom shortcut issue 2013/12/21 15:45:47 (permalink)
    I assume yes then it is reproducable. Yes I know what happens with autozoom on otherwise I would not have specified it :) But what is the documented behaviour with it on? I assume this is flagged under 'nobody knows'. Cheers..

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    Re: Zoom shortcut issue 2013/12/21 16:06:51 (permalink)
    IMHO, AutoZoom behavior is well documented. It could always be better documented.
     

    To specify the default Auto Zoom track height
    Resize the current track.

     
    http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation/default.aspx?Doc=SONAR%20X2&Lang=EN&Req=Introduction.24.html#1294719
    This is on the same page you linked to above. 
     
     

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    Re: Zoom shortcut issue 2013/12/21 16:30:09 (permalink)
    Ha;),I'm not asking about autozoom! I'm talking about shift double click with autozoom on... As per original post :) Non documented behavior? Or broken... I am assuming... Cheers... Apols for confusion...

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    Re: Zoom shortcut issue 2013/12/22 04:09:35 (permalink)
    Logged... CWBRN-22660 ->

    Autozoom seems to interfere with a LOT of zoom functionality.

    If certain functionality with autozoom isn't supposed to work "by design" because it is incompatible with autozoom then it should not work at all, maybe instead have a popup (like engine stopped) saying the feature is disabled. Right now it gives the perception that Sonar is buggy when zooming because it does something (and does what is perceived to be the wrong thing generally).

    On the other hand, if it could work with autozoom enabled it should be fixed.

    Here is just one example (maybe QA can go through all the scenarios):

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    Firstly you need to turn on autozoom.

    If I SHIFT+double-click a clip it is supposed to "Maximize track height":

    EXPECTED
    http://www.cakewalk.com/D...q=Introduction.24.html
     
    ACTUAL
    It just shows the track on its own but does not fill the screen as advertised. Is this the documented behaviour in this scenario?

    Discussion here:
    http://forum.cakewalk.com/Zoom-shortcut-issue-m2954349.aspx
     
     

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    Re: Zoom shortcut issue 2013/12/22 12:49:21 (permalink)
    Alex, on this page: http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation/default.aspx?Doc=SONAR X2&Lang=EN&Req=Introduction.24.html#1294719
     
    it includes this:
     
    "Note: When Auto Zoom is enabled, it is not possible to resize individual tracks. All non-focused tracks always have the same track height. If a non-focused track is resized, all others resize with it. All Minimize Strip and Restore Strip buttons are also hidden."
     
    IMHO this would indicate that you can't maximize one track or you'd be maximizing all tracks, which is something you cannot do.
     

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    Re: Zoom shortcut issue 2013/12/22 12:57:40 (permalink)
    Fair enough, but this still begs the question though.... why is that button doing anything at all with auto zoom enabled... it should be totally disabled in my opinion, with a warning message for those of us wondering what happened (bit like Hey you got the numlock key pressed).
     
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    Re: Zoom shortcut issue 2013/12/22 15:27:45 (permalink)

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    Re: Zoom shortcut issue 2013/12/22 17:09:55 (permalink)
    Ah no already logged a bug, because right now the behaviour cannot be as intended, we don't even know what the intended behaviour should be either, we know what not to do, but we don't know what should happen should we  do it ... Cheers :)

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    Re: Zoom shortcut issue 2013/12/22 21:49:27 (permalink)
    Yeah... I can confirm the behavior... I never would have found it as I don't use auto-zoom... for every thing it's good at, it stops so many other things that it just isn't working for me...
     
    I've turned it off on all my templates and continue to disable it whenever I stumble on it along with smart grid... ;-)
     
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    Re: Zoom shortcut issue 2014/01/03 14:58:53 (permalink)
    So I logged CWBRN-22660... like this:
     
    Autozoom seems to interfere with a LOT of zoom functionality. If certain functionality with autozoom isn't supposed to work "by design" because it is incompatible with autozoom then it should not work at all, maybe instead have a popup (like engine stopped) saying the feature is disabled. Right now it gives the perception that Sonar is buggy when zooming because it does something (and does what is perceived to be the wrong thing generally). On the other hand, if it could work with autozoom enabled it should be fixed.
     
    Here is just one example (maybe QA can go through all the scenarios):
     
    STEPS Firstly you need to turn on autozoom. If I SHIFT+double-click a clip it is supposed to "Maximize track height":
     
    EXPECTED http://www.cakewalk.com/D...q=Introduction.24.html ACTUAL It just shows the track on its own but does not fill the screen as advertised. Is this the documented behaviour in this scenario? Discussion here: http://forum.cakewalk.com/Zoom-shortcut-issue-m2954349.aspx
     
    This got withdrawn:
     
    Hello,
     There are many ways to zoom in SONAR, auto-zoom being but one of them.We really need more info to investigate an actual scenario here. This report is lacking details and is a bit subjective.
     
    I am not surprised as I didn't give clear steps to reproduce, however I was hoping Cakewalk QA department to test out these issues as there are pretty obvious (no I'm not going to write test cases for every scenario here, and nor it seems is Cake QA!  ). So let's all run away from the issue!

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