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2011/07/11 00:53:34 (permalink)

after installing ASIO

well, i'm back after finally installing ASIO, the one from the Lexicon Alpha website, on my computer.  this after getting a lot of popping and crackling noises when using the Alpha with the WDM driver.  now, i have no sound, which is what happened the last time i installed the ASIO and i though that i have done something wrong.  (this time i had assistance from a friend that knows about downloading and installing from the web).  all of the pieces that have MIDI, because i wrote the accompaniments directly into the STaff View of Music Creator 3, have no sound after i selected the ASIO drive into as the driver.
 
also other things are happening that i'm not sure should be happening when i open the AUDIO Option window.  now the window calls itself, AUDIO Options-ASIO.  the first tab is GENERAL: PLayback timing Master says none.  Record Timing Master is blank.  when i click on the ASIO panel rectangle at the bottom, nothing happens.   the second tab is ADVANCED: I/O Buffer is 64. Driver Mode is ASIO, because i selected it.  Dithering is Rectangular.  the third tab is Input Drivers which is  blank and Output Drivers is blank, too.
 
the computer under Sound and Audio devices have selected and embraced Lexicon Alpha in every single selection. 
 
i don't know what to do to get sound.  even the fast and safe slider in the Drivers page is somewhat erased, which means that i cannot move it.
 
please help.
 
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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/11 08:40:29 (permalink)
    Your Lexicon isn't somehow recognized by the OS or MC3 even though you checked in Windows Control panel that Lexicon is listed as an audio device. Is there a power switch in the Lexicon? If so, it should be ON when you launch SONAR.

    Both Recording and playback timing master must be the Lexicon. With no playback timing master there is no sound, and the same goes with Input and Output drivers, which also should be somthing like " Lexicon ASIO".

    Is there really nothing to choose from in a drop down box for Playback / Recording Timing Master or to select in the Input / Output driver boxes??

    Hopefully a Lexicon user who knows the particular details chimes in.

    Note, that ASIO can use only one soundcard at a time, so the Conexant must not be selected anywhere in the Options-dialogue.

    Also, the latency for ASIO is set in the ASIO-panel, not with the "Fast....Safe" slider. The button is right next to the grayed out slider.

    Your comment about silent MIDI tracks is worthless if you don't tell what is producing the sound for the MIDI. OTOH, if there's no I/O drivers, you wouldn't hear sound anyway :o/

    I don't really know what could cause absence of Lexicon in the I/O Driver windows and elsewhere.

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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/11 08:49:19 (permalink)
    As I mentioned previously, Lexicon is not the best brand of recording interface to use BUT... stick with it, and the experts will be along shortly.

    My advice to you is this: Between audio and midi, Midi is the harder of the two to get working properly since there are so many things that must be right for it all to work.  SO..... for the time being, please grab an old audio project OR import a wave or MP3 into a new audio project. Use that project as you work through getting the driver and all the settings into a working status.

    It can be done.... you just need to stick with it, and learn from the advice others will give. It took me over a week to get sound from my system.... but I stuck it out and now it's second nature to turn it on and record. Once you get it set up properly, the settings should save automatically, and unless you have a major problem with the computer, you should not have to mess with it again.



    Since ASIO was available for it, it should work very well once it's set up.

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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/11 09:06:57 (permalink)
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    well, i'm back after finally installing ASIO, the one from the Lexicon Alpha website, on my computer.  this after getting a lot of popping and crackling noises when using the Alpha with the WDM driver.  now, i have no sound, which is what happened the last time i installed the ASIO and i though that i have done something wrong.  (this time i had assistance from a friend that knows about downloading and installing from the web).  all of the pieces that have MIDI, because i wrote the accompaniments directly into the STaff View of Music Creator 3, have no sound after i selected the ASIO drive into as the driver. 
    what are you using for the OUTPUT of your MIDI tracks?  you were probably using the MS GS Wavetable?  if so, DON'T.  use a softsynth and you'll get sound!  if you don't know how to use a softsynth, check guitarhacker's website, he has instructions on how to use TTS-1 in simple terms.
     
    also other things are happening that i'm not sure should be happening when i open the AUDIO Option window.  now the window calls itself, AUDIO Options-ASIO.  the first tab is GENERAL: PLayback timing Master says none.  Record Timing Master is blank. 

    after installing the drivers from lexicon, did you restart your computer?  you said the recording and playback says "none" but is there anything you can select if you click on the little down arrow beside the "none"?
     
    if there are no drivers available to select, you need to go to the CONTROL PANEL of windows and see if your lexicon drivers are actually installed in the PROGRAMS.
     
     



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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/11 09:34:41 (permalink)
    As Beagle mentioned.... it won't hurt to restart the computer several times as you go through the process of setting the ASIO driver as the default for the card.

    That ensures a clean boot each time and the communications should be automatically restored each time it boots.


    Even now, from time to time, my DAW and the interface loose communications and a simple restart gets it back to working.

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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/11 14:50:21 (permalink)
    i went to guitarhacker's website (your're so cute!) but i didn't see anything about soft synths.  i came back to MC3 and i read what it says about soft synths, VSC and DXi.  while once again i throw my learning curve as high as i can to comprehend this,  i want to make sure that i understand correctly so far: up to now when i open a one or more MIDI track(s)  i also insert an AUDIO track underneath.  on this track i go to FX and when i right click i have three selections:  DreamStation DXi2, Edirol VSC and VST Sample Port.  to date i have selected Edirol VSC.  if i'm reading correctly this selection is not appropriate for the Lexicon Alpha in order to get sound.  (I remember that i went thorugh one of the talk tutorials when it talked about this, but i don't have the CD-Rom with me now.  I'll have it tonight.)  in order to get sound i have to select DreamStation DXi2 which is what insert the soft synths. 

    please correct me if i'm wrong.

    thanks.

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    post edited by sirenadelmar - 2011/07/11 14:53:40


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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/11 14:58:40 (permalink)
    where are you reading that using these softsynths are not appropriate for the lexicon????  using edirol vsc or dreamstation is appropriate for ANY soundcard, so that doesn't make sense.

    but if you don't have anything selected as PLAYBACK or RECORDING DEVICES we have to resolve that first or you won't get sound from anything.  do you have anything to select if you click on the pull down arrow?  if not, did you go to the windows control panel under software and look to verify that the lexicon drivers were installed?

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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/11 15:21:57 (permalink)
    The main problem now is why you don't have anything showing in the Audio I/O Drivers window and neither in the Record/Playback timing master slots even though you say the Lexicon is listed operational in the Control Panels Audio Devices section.

    Don't confuse us with those restless descriptions of your  MIDI-settings before that is solved, please :o) When you have sound in general, then you can learn to use different sounds.

    Please confirm if the situation remains the same (nothing in the above mentioned windows) after re-starting the computer.

    With all friendliness - you tend to start wandering here and there in your problem descriptions, please be as accurate and concentrated as you can and stick to the essential.

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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/11 15:41:20 (permalink)
    i'm sorry.  the wondering is not intended to confuse you.  it actually reveals how little do i know. 
    i checked the computer under sound and audio devices.  it checks for the Alpha in every slot, except for MIDI music playback: Microsoft GS Wavetable SW Synth.  it doesn't give me an option of choosing Alpha in that particular slot.  (i mis-reported this info earlier.  it has always been like this.) 

    is that the info you need?

    i'm going to turn off the computer for a little while, and re-connect the Alpha.  maybe i'll have different news when i return.
     
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    post edited by sirenadelmar - 2011/07/11 15:43:13


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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/11 15:44:57 (permalink)
    try this page: http://www.herbhartley.co...edited_slimmer_005.htm

    it is the first item down the page. advanced TTS setup (soft synth) is a bit further down.

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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/11 15:46:24 (permalink)
    no, that's not what we need to know.

    please follow these instructions exactly
    in OPTIONS>AUDIO
    in the RECORDING and PLAYBACK DEVICES there's a little ARROW to the right, click on that and then see if the LEXICON is available for you to select in either of them.  if yes, select it.  if no, please report back here.

    THEN if NO, go to the WINDOWS CONTROL PANEL and click on ADD REMOVE PROGRAMS and look and see if the LEXICON DRIVERS are listed.
    please report back yes or no.

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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/11 15:47:43 (permalink)
    NO!!! - please don't worry about herb's tutorial yet!  please follow my instructions FIRST, then we'll worry about the TTS-1 tutorial.

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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/11 16:34:18 (permalink)
    i thought that i have told you that already.  within the program MC3 i have no choices.  under Sound and Audio devices i cannot change the Microsoft GS, but Alpha is selected for voice and audio input and output.  under add or remove programs i have Lexicon Alpha driver. 

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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/11 16:35:18 (permalink)
    p.s.:  i turned the computer on twice, before checking.

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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/11 16:50:52 (permalink)
    you had said there was "NONE" listed, but I didn't see where you said you had looked to see if there were other options or not.

    and I didn't see above where you had looked in the ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS and reported if the lexicon was there until now.

    OK.  do this:

    make sure MC3 is CLOSED
    then use windows explorer to go to C:/PROGRAM FILES/CAKEWALK/MUSIC CREATOR 3
    and look for the AUD.INI file (it might be listed simply as "AUD", or it might be HIDDEN - if you can't find it in that folder, I'll help you find it another way).
    once you find it - DELETE IT.
    then start MC3 again.
    it will ask if you want to run the wave profiler when it starts up.  LET IT.
    then go to OPTIONS>AUDIO>ADVANCED and change back to ASIO
    then see if the LEXICON is listed in the RECORDING and PLAYBCK DEVICES now.

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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/11 17:40:01 (permalink)
    i'm sorry but i don't understand this phrase: "then use windows explorer to go to C:/PROGRAM FILES/CAKEWALK/MUSIC CREATOR 3" .

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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/11 17:45:14 (permalink)
    do you know what "windows explorer" is?  the window you use to look around the computer files and directories?

    I just mean to use that to look at that folder and look for that file IN that folder.

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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/11 18:24:44 (permalink)
    i finally figured it out!  i found the AUD file with no problem.  i have deleted it 3 times and it keeps re-appearing.  is still there.  i figured that i shouldn't try it another time.  and yes, i re-started the computer two times to see if that made a difference, but it didn't. when i open MC3 it doesn't ask to run the wave profiler. 

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    post edited by sirenadelmar - 2011/07/11 18:31:05


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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/11 23:00:40 (permalink)
    no, that's the point!  once you delete it and then open MC3 then it WILL get recreated, but that's what I wanted to happen because when it recreates it MC creates it as the default as if it were freshly installed.

    so, just make sure MC3 is not running.  delete AUD.ini
    open MC3.
    if it doesn't ask if you want to run the wave profiler, then force it to do so by going to OPTIONS>AUDIO and click on the WAVE PROFILER button at the bottom of that window.

    then close MC and re-open and then change to ASIO driver mode and see what happens.

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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/12 00:29:44 (permalink)

    in order to get sound i have to select DreamStation DXi2 which is what insert the soft synths.

     
    That's good that you are getting sound; now what is the output of the DreamStation DXi? Not the MIDI track that feeds DreamStation, but the actual soft synth track's audio output.
    Also, your Alpha does not have MIDI in/out, so you'll never get it to show up under Options>MIDI Devices. That's not a problem, so don't worry, be happy!
    Here's how soft synths work: you have a MIDI track with data in it (notes). To hear those notes, you need a synthesizer to play it. That has been the Microsoft GS Wavetable synth in your computer's sound card (not the Alpha).
    When you use the Insert command at the top to insert a soft synth, you need to change the output of the MIDI track(s) to that soft synth. The output of the soft synth is audio, which is why not having a MIDI device doesn't matter in this case. There are other options under the insert soft synth command which will allow you to insert a MIDI track and the soft synth at the same time, and the MIDI track's output will already be set to the soft synth. Easy. Record or mouse in your notes in that MIDI track and hear it through the soft synth.
    So, you have a MIDI track going to a soft synth going to your Alpha's audio output. More on that later (buses).
     
    post edited by 57Gregy - 2011/07/12 10:10:35

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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/12 08:22:18 (permalink)
    Beagle: when i open MC3 i have the tips of the day, a message that says that i have no MIDI output, to which i always click go on anyway and then the window that allows me to select a current project or a new project.  no matter which one i select, when i open the AUDIO window i still have the same: AUDIO/ASIO and three tabs: GENERAL, ADVANCE and DRIVERS.  When i click on ASIO panel nothing happens.  Deleting the AUD file hasn't changed anything.
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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/12 10:21:44 (permalink)
    If you don't want to see those messages, uncheck the 'Show tips' box in the Tip of the day message. To turn off the 'No MIDI Devices' message, go to Options>Global and uncheck the 'Warn if no MIDI Devices' box. You already know you have no MIDI devices.
    When using ASIO drivers, you won't be able to use the MS GS Wavetable synth, so you'll have to use soft synths to hear MIDI.
    What is the output of the DreamStation DXi synth audio track?
     
    That's strange that you can't open the ASIO panel; does MC 3 freeze up (Application Hang) or do you get any error messages, or does nothing at all happen?

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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/12 10:45:03 (permalink)
    then we're back to where we were before.  if the drivers are installed but MC3 won't/can't see the ASIO drivers, then you have no choice but to use the WDM driver mode.  change it back to WDM.  run the wave profiler.  move the latency slider toward the SAFE side until you don't have popping/clicking any more when playing projects.
     
     
    NOTE:  theres' no need to uninstall anything.  the drivers you installed WILL work in WDM driver mode, so don't "uninstall ASIO" this time like you have in the past.  just change the driver mode to WDM in MC3 and rerun the wave profiler and we'll continue from this point.
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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/12 11:45:56 (permalink)
    ok.  i changed the setting to WDM/KS.  i don't know if i have to say this but in that window there's Enable Read Caching and Enable Write Caching which are not selected.  also the I/O Buffer Size(KB) changed from 64 to 128.  Dithering: Retangular.

    the check of the wave profiler reads as follows:
    ==== Alpha In/Out (1 in, 1 out) ====
    11025 Hz: not available
    22050 Hz: not available
    44100 Hz: OK
    48000 Hz: OK
    88200 Hz: not available
    96000 Hz: not available
    176400 Hz: not available
    192000 Hz: not available

    also, when i tried playing the piece i have a message came up:
    Unable to open audio playback device.  Device may not support the current project's audio format or may be in use.

    i'm assuming that this is the part where i change to DXi2, but if this is so i have to wait until i study the tutorial because i only browsed through it, and i don't have it with me now.

    please correct me if i'm wrong.

    thanks,
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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/12 11:59:50 (permalink)
    ok - I think leaving the ENABLE READ CACHE and ENABLE WRITE CACHE unchecked is OK.

    on the error message - I think we can resolve this - it will come up for a couple of reasons.  first, check your PLAYBACK and RECORDING DEVICES on the OPTIONS>AUDIO and make sure only the lexicon is selected.  the problem here could be that it's selected your onboard soundcard instead.  make sure you click on the pull down arrow and select the lexicon for BOTH.

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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/12 13:29:50 (permalink)
    well, guys thank you for all your help.  i copied your messages in  Words in the computer to use them as reference.  i'm leaving now to test the Alpha with the soft synths and see how can i make it work.  i'll send a message by Frid or Sat wether things work or not.

    over and out
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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/12 13:44:20 (permalink)
    did you get rid of the message that says it's "incompatible"?  if not I have other things to try...

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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/12 13:59:38 (permalink)
    no. i was hoping that once i went to Soft synths it will stop the nonsense.  i believe the message comes up when the Driver Profile window changes itself to the Conexant sound card.  at this time i have to go in and change it manually.  i thought that once i start using soft synths that would not happen.  i'm i wrong?


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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/12 14:04:10 (permalink)
    no, inserting softsynths won't get rid of that problem.

    what do you mean by "when the driver profile window changes itself to the conexant soundcard?"  it shouldn't be changing by itself.  after you change it back to the lexicon does the message come back up again?  during the same project or when you close MC and start back up again or when does the Driver Profile window change by itself?

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    Re:after installing ASIO 2011/07/12 14:29:10 (permalink)
    sometimes in the middle of a project the computer changes to the Conexant sound card.  i know that it shouldn't change by itself but it does.  usually at the beginning after i have hooked up the Alpha.  then it stays. most of the time.  if i have a drop in sound, or the Alpha disconnect itself (the blue light goes off) i know that the Driver Profile changed itself.


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