tunakdude
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RE: are sonitus effects true stereo?
2004/07/18 15:32:58
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actually, there are a few posts up there about how to solve this panning and aux bus problem that i hadn't seen before, i'll try all that stuff out
thanks everybody
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tunakdude
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RE: are sonitus effects true stereo?
2004/07/18 16:06:55
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There is a setting called LinkSendPan in the AUD.INI file that controls which Pan control affects the Aux Send. It is also affected by whether the Aux Send is set to Pre or Post. Here's how it works: LinkSendPan=0: Aux set to Pre or Post: Uses Send Pan LinkSendPan=1: Aux set to Pre: Uses Send Pan Aux set to Post: Uses Track Pan The LinkSendPan defaults to 0 for SONAR. But the setting has been around since Cakewalk 6.01 and it back then it defaulted to 1. I don't know which version changed the default to 0. Also, it hasn't always been in the same INI file. Here's a link to an old newsgroup post from a Cakewalk employee back when the option first appeared: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=37692cf3.22453800%40news.cakewalk.com thanks, this did it... well the old cakewalk reverb seems to function in full stereo the FXreverb that came with sonar2 does not but soon enough i'll have the sonitus so thank you everyone for helping out
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RE: are sonitus effects true stereo?
2004/07/20 22:28:58
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ORIGINAL: tunakdude
hmm, i think i will try this too, with all my reverb plugins
if they all turn out to be stereo in this case then is it that the aux busses sum to mono??!?!
that would be tremendously awful
Hate to bump this topic again, but to refer to your comment: Aux busses can be mono if you have them set that way. If you want stereo sends, be sure to check the "stereo/mono" symbol icon on the aux busses track pane. I have been racking my brains out trying to get some kind of stereo reverb, then I noticed that the aux buss was set to "mono". I think I have verified that sontius sums to mono and Cakewalk and Lexicon don't. (in Sonar 3).
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vmf007
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RE: are sonitus effects true stereo?
2004/07/21 01:57:56
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I got a question
I was told that to record two tracks at a time, I was supposed to go to track, then inputs, then set one track as left input, then the next track as right input to keep the tracks separate, so the sounds don't bleed over each other.
well if thats the way, then how come when I do so, the track only shows one wav line instead of two which means its not being recorded in stereo doesn't it?
how do you keep them separate and keep it stereo?
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Sapient6
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RE: are sonitus effects true stereo?
2004/07/21 10:17:29
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ORIGINAL: vmf007
I got a question
I was told that to record two tracks at a time, I was supposed to go to track, then inputs, then set one track as left input, then the next track as right input to keep the tracks separate, so the sounds don't bleed over each other.
well if thats the way, then how come when I do so, the track only shows one wav line instead of two which means its not being recorded in stereo doesn't it?
how do you keep them separate and keep it stereo?
With that setup each track is only getting a mono input. If you want to record two separate stereo tracks at once, you're going to need four inputs. If you just want that single input track to be stereo I believe you could go ahead and record it mono as you described, then bounce it to a stereo track (I'm unsure what the advantage to doing that would be, but I think it can be done).
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tunakdude
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RE: are sonitus effects true stereo?
2004/07/21 18:04:24
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ORIGINAL: Duojet
i did a quick test myself and found that the sonitus reverb IS true stereo on input. it does NOT sum to mono at input. the way I verified is I put the sonitus reverb on my master bus instead of aux, then panned some instruments hard left and right and all panning was maintained through the sonitus reverb.
hmm, i'm not sure how you did this- do you mean that when you pan hard left, there is absolutely no sound (dry or wet) coming out of the right side- that would be true stereo (no mono summing) after running such tests, i have come to my grand conclusion i reinstalled the sonar3 PE demo and tried out the sonitus reverb (and other effects) reverb and delay both sum to mono (i'm not sure about others) i have linksendpan=1 in the aud.ini, and whether in an aux or an output bus, sonitus obstructs the stereo image, as does the FXreverb the old old reverb (from pro audio i guess- it doesn't sound horrible, but it's not great either) does not, it maintains the true stereo image so my final conclusion: sonar 4 better have a good versatile true stereo reverb or else!!... i'll have to buy a third party plug in... ho hum
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wmountney
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RE: are sonitus effects true stereo?
2004/07/21 22:46:18
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ORIGINAL: tunakdude
ORIGINAL: Duojet
i did a quick test myself and found that the sonitus reverb IS true stereo on input. it does NOT sum to mono at input.
hmm, i'm not sure how you did this- do you mean that when you pan hard left, there is absolutely no sound (dry or wet) coming out of the right side- that would be true stereo (no mono summing)
Actually, with a true stereo reverb, even if you pan the source hard left (or right), it doesn't mean that there would be absolutely no signal coming from the other side of the reverb output. There should be a strong shift in the reverb's output towards the side of the source signal, but there will still be a stereo space that the reverb is creating that would always entail sound coming from both channels. Ideally, it should sound like being in a room with a sound off to one side -- you still hear the reverbations coming from all directions, but they're stronger on the side of the source.
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RE: are sonitus effects true stereo?
2004/07/21 23:38:03
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Very well put, wmountney. With a hard-panned input I'd expect the early reflections to have a more dramatic pan than the long tail, in the sense of raw energy, but even the tails should have a different character in the two channels. I agree with your assessment of the space. That is the illusion that I would look for to give a natural panning space. It should feel like the room is being revealed to you as you pan the source from left to right while playing. Edit: So... does the Sonitus do this for anyone?
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tunakdude
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RE: are sonitus effects true stereo?
2004/07/22 12:34:14
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ORIGINAL: wmountney
Actually, with a true stereo reverb, even if you pan the source hard left (or right), it doesn't mean that there would be absolutely no signal coming from the other side of the reverb output. There should be a strong shift in the reverb's output towards the side of the source signal, but there will still be a stereo space that the reverb is creating that would always entail sound coming from both channels. Ideally, it should sound like being in a room with a sound off to one side -- you still hear the reverbations coming from all directions, but they're stronger on the side of the source.
good point, i guess i didn't realise this... i'll try the tests again and see if i can detect a difference, i just really want to maintain a wide stereo image (that's why i liked the fact that the old cakewalk reverb produced no sound on one side when the source was panned to the other) but i should redo my tests with different criteria before determining what is and isn't true stereo thanks
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Duojet
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RE: are sonitus effects true stereo?
2004/07/22 16:17:07
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ORIGINAL: tunakdude
ORIGINAL: Duojet
i did a quick test myself and found that the sonitus reverb IS true stereo on input. it does NOT sum to mono at input. the way I verified is I put the sonitus reverb on my master bus instead of aux, then panned some instruments hard left and right and all panning was maintained through the sonitus reverb.
hmm, i'm not sure how you did this- do you mean that when you pan hard left, there is absolutely no sound (dry or wet) coming out of the right side- that would be true stereo (no mono summing)
after running such tests, i have come to my grand conclusion
i reinstalled the sonar3 PE demo and tried out the sonitus reverb (and other effects)
reverb and delay both sum to mono (i'm not sure about others)
i have linksendpan=1 in the aud.ini, and whether in an aux or an output bus, sonitus obstructs the stereo image, as does the FXreverb
the old old reverb (from pro audio i guess- it doesn't sound horrible, but it's not great either) does not, it maintains the true stereo image
so my final conclusion: sonar 4 better have a good versatile true stereo reverb or else!!... i'll have to buy a third party plug in... ho hum
I put it on the master bus. thus if i pan the original track left or right, and the reverb on the master bus is summing to mono on the input, then panning would have no effect. i occasionally use the compressor on the master bus as well. stereo image is always maintained. whether the reverb itself is truly processing the right and left separately i'm not sure, but i am sure the input is not summing the signal to mono.
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