are sonitus effects true stereo?

it looks like the fx from cakewalk pro audio and previous versions of sonar aren't exactly true stereo...
i have sonar 2.2 xl right now, and the delays and reverbs in aux busses seem to sum whatever is being sent to them into a mono signal then process them and send them out as stereo-

for instance, if i send a track that is panned hard right to an aux bus with a delay, the wet signal comes out in the middle rather than the right meaning the effect isn't really two seperate paths

are the sonitus effects stereo in this manner??
thanks

oh yeah, how bout the tape flange simulator in the "modulator" effect- does that really sound like the old school tape flange effect like the fox rox TZF flange pedal? thanks

oh, well that's good news about the delay

what about the lexicon pantheon reverb- i guess that would be my main reverb if i get sonar 3.0??

though, gosh, i feel like maybe i should be switching to another system altogether sometimes- but cakewalk has this darn user discount hook in me

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ORIGINAL: tunakdude

it looks like the fx from cakewalk pro audio and previous versions of sonar aren't exactly true stereo...
i have sonar 2.2 xl right now, and the delays and reverbs in aux busses seem to sum whatever is being sent to them into a mono signal then process them and send them out as stereo-

for instance, if i send a track that is panned hard right to an aux bus with a delay, the wet signal comes out in the middle rather than the right meaning the effect isn't really two seperate paths

are the sonitus effects stereo in this manner??
thanks

oh yeah, how bout the tape flange simulator in the "modulator" effect- does that really sound like the old school tape flange effect like the fox rox TZF flange pedal? thanks

Interesting post. I thought all the effects were stereo.

I've been lately using that ambience preset on snares as well, Dave. One thing I find it brilliant on is brush hits on snares- really brings that little brush drag out on the decay. I use it as an insert, at about 5-6%.

ORIGINAL: daverich

you know,- i've been lovin the lexicon over the past few days -

which is weird because a few days ago I just used the sonitus - but for short ambience, (I've been recording drums) the pantheon is amazing - really stands out in a mix without being too much.

Try the short ambience preset - or whatever it's called on a snare, - very nice.

Kind regards

Dave Rich.

i've started using it instead of the sonitus just to rough in drums etc....when
i'm ready to finalize things i moved over to sir & work from there.

I found it (Lexicon) grainy at first, but after a fashion I started finding things that it worked well on. It serves me as a crispy complement to the sonitus, which is very smooth, and nothing but smooth.

The Lexicon can be smoothed out somewhat by cranking the diffusion and playing with room size. Also, it can work in conjunction with the sonitus, as a sort of dedicated early reflection. Doing this in its purest form, though, requires putting them both in an aux bin with 100% wet mix in both.

EDIT: On topic, it's really too bad if the sonitus mixes both channels on the way in, but it's good to know. It could explain goofy behavior in the stereo space post-reverb.

ORIGINAL: losguy

I found it (Lexicon) grainy at first, but after a fashion I started finding things that it worked well on. It serves me as a crispy complement to the sonitus, which is very smooth, and nothing but smooth.

I thought the Lexicon reverb was supposed to be legendary... it appears the software translation may not have gone too well judging by user feedback. Has anyone actually used the hardware version?

ORIGINAL: psylichon


strangely, so is the cakewalk FxReverb. Hmmm...

are you sure?
when i put it in the aux bus and send a track to that bus, then turn up the fx mix to 100% and the send to 100% thenn play with the track's pan control, the same sound comes out no matter where the track pan is set

if it were truly stereo, then a track panned left would only have reverb coming out of the left side, right?
have you discovered a setting somewhere that will give me a true stereo effect??
thanks

I think the Pantheon is *okay*, but I find that the PSP 42 and PSP 84 are MUCH truer in spirit to the high-quality that we've all come to know and love from Lexicon (those of us that used their hardware, anyway!)

ORIGINAL: cmusicmaker

ORIGINAL: Rustic Raf

Has anyone actually used the hardware version?

Yes, and I keep using it. It's Lexicon MPX500.

Thanks for feedback on the hardware version. Whenever I have used it it does sound better and I would not say grainy but it needs alot of work to get it where I want it.

I get a far better sound in less time with Prisitne Space instead.

Anyone used the hardware version and the software version to compare...?

I have the lexican MX500 as well and run sonar 3, unfortunately the pantheon does not make the grade in comparison although it has its uses...

ORIGINAL: JamminFool

i have the lexicon pcm-80. the pantheon can be tweaked to sound ok (use very light mix settings), but it sounds like a toy compared to the hardware. sorry.

(and i had high hopes...)

Thanks for getting back on that. All the reviews I have read, rate the Lexicon very high indeed but I guess until you have used the hardware version (like you have to compare), you can't really know how good an emulation it is or not.

Lexicon feedback has not been too hot on this forum (a surprise for me) most seem to prefer the Sonitus reverb, Prisitine, and other big hitters. Maybe Cakewalk will bring the Lexicon closer to the hardware version for Sonar4.

ORIGINAL: HammerHead

Maybe Cakewalk will bring the Lexicon closer to the hardware version for Sonar4.

hmmmmmm...

i wouldnt be surprised if the lexicon reverb was dropped out of S4 in favor of
something else (or maybe nothing else).....this is one of those 3rd party add-on type of things that usually doesnt make it cross version...

i could be wrong though.

It would be a pity as it really comes across as a key reason to get Sonar. It certainly was one of the reasons I got Sonar 3. Even the Studio verb2 that comes with Project 5 in my opinion is better.

ORIGINAL: cAPSLOCK

Lexicon hardware verbs are not all the same. They all have different algorithms. Some lexi hardware is also not true stereo. The algs in the Pantheon are not anywhere close to on par with the hardware in the PCM90 range for example. But they are fairly dense compared to lots of other plugin verbs. I also find the plugin to be useful for short ambience mre than the famous lexi tail. Thing is, IMHO the short ambience task is much more important that the other unless you are doing something that requires huge spaces, like new age or diva vocals.

cAPS

Seems more of a track plug then, rather than comparable to a heavy weight convolution reverb. Which is fine at the end of the day...maybe my expectations were unrealistic.

I would still rate Project 5's Studio verb2 as better than the Lexicon but that is just my opinion.

I think you use Prisitine Space as well as myself (correct me if I am wrong) how would you compare the Lexicon reverb with Prisitne?

ORIGINAL: cmusicmaker

Seems more of a track plug then, rather than comparable to a heavy weight convolution reverb. Which is fine at the end of the day...maybe my expectations were unrealistic.

Don't get me wrong... I like the Pantheon. Especially for short dense stuff. But I am a drummer... so could just be I am deaf?

ORIGINAL: cmusicmaker
I would still rate Project 5's Studio verb2 as better than the Lexicon but that is just my opinion.

I heard it in connection with a demo (I think?) about a year ago. I didn't buy P5 since it is not my thing, but I was pretty impressed with the Studioverb2 myself. It was pretty nice sounding. Another blacksheep I have liked in the distant past was the hyperprism hyperverb but I haven't used it in ages... I should find my hyperprism disc and load it up again. My opinion may have changed.

ORIGINAL: cmusicmaker
I think you use Prisitine Space as well as myself (correct me if I am wrong) how would you compare the Lexicon reverb with Prisitne?

I think this is the best convolution plugin available, but you can't compare it really to a non convolution reverb plugin. It's such a differen't beast. And it can be true stereo and ever true surround. (Sticking to the thread. ;) The quality depends entirely on the impulses. And there are some killer impulses out there. (And some really bad ones :( ) Unfortunately the box impulses are hard to get right. And to some degree it is impossible to really capture the entire character of the box since many of the high end manufacturers use modulation effects and other randomness to get that creamy tail. Convolution is, by nature, unable to capture this accurately.

Still in my opinion the set of PCM91 impulses over at the vault are pretty darn good.

And I have become a huge fan of both real space impulses and ones made by Aleksey's Impulse Modeller program.

cAPS

i did a quick test myself and found that the sonitus reverb IS true stereo on input. it does NOT sum to mono at input. the way I verified is I put the sonitus reverb on my master bus instead of aux, then panned some instruments hard left and right and all panning was maintained through the sonitus reverb.